Posted on 02/14/2005 10:18:29 PM PST by quidnunc
I first became aware of Thomas E. Woods Jr.'s Politically Incorrect Guide to American History when the New York Times Book Review took note of its rise on the paperback bestseller list and described it as a "neocon retelling of this nation's back story." A neocon retelling? What would that be, exactly? Curious to find out, I cracked open The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History.
It gets off to a slow start with a recitation of civics-text nuggets. Bet you didn't know that the Constitution "established three distinct branches of government executive, legislative, and judicial and provided 'checks and balances' by which each branch could resist the encroachments of another"!
Soon enough, however, the guide starts to slip from conventional history into a Bizarro world where every state has the right to disregard any piece of federal legislation it doesn't like or even to secede. "There is, obviously, no provision in the Constitution that explicitly authorizes nullification," the author concedes, but Woods nevertheless is convinced that this right exists. His source? Mainly the writings of the Southern pro-slavery politician John C. Calhoun.
Woods is only getting warmed up. Next he comes to the origins of the "Civil War" which, it seems, was pretty much the fault of Northern abolitionists whose writings "seethed with loathing for the entire South" and "only served to discredit anti-slavery activity in the South." You might be wondering about those quotation marks around Civil War. Woods doesn't think that's a proper description of the conflict. He likes "War Between the States," the preferred term of Southern sympathizers. "Other, more ideologically charged (but nevertheless much more accurate) names for the conflict," he adds, helpfully, "include the War for Southern Independence and even the War of Northern Aggression." According to Woods, the war wasn't really about slavery (no mention of the Emancipation Proclamation). It was really about the desire of Northern plutocrats to protect themselves from the threat of commerce being diverted to "the South's low-tariff or free trade regime." He approvingly quotes H.L. Mencken's comment that Union soldiers "actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves." Well, not quite all their people. But the plight of African-Americans does not concern Woods any more than it did Mencken. Later on, he expresses disgust with federal desegregation policy in the 1950s and 1960s.
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Here we go again. Sorry, boys, I'm too tired from the recent battles over Sherman to dance this time; I'm going to sit down here with a tall glass of something cool and fan myself gently while y'all scuffle around out on the dance floor.
But the War wasn't about slavery. Read any account of the Civil War. Read Lincoln's personal letters and his speeches. Read John Jakes, who does loads of research while writing his books. This concept is not far-fetched, and is easily accessible to someone who is open-minded enough to consult the depths of American history. As my 11th grade History teacher remarked, "if you want to find out why countries do the things they do, just follow the money". Most wars are fought largely for financial reasons, and the Civil War was no exception.
Flame all you want, but I've had on-going discussions about this very topic with several hard-headed friends that thought the Civil War was about slavery, and unfailingly, they always come to see that the war had nothing to do with slavery. Slavery was just a strawman argument for the North.
Regarding "nullification" check out New Hampshire laws. They "nullified" the 16th amendment, therefore have no income tax. As of Jan. 1st they were scheduled to "nullify" the Patriot Act as well as a couple other things that I can not remember anymore.

Unfortunately, Boot is right. Woods's book reads like a classic comics' version of history, at least as far as the Civil War is concerned. Basically Woods piles together quotes that support his point of view without establishing their validity as evidence or examining or presenting data that conflicts his views. He tells people what they want to hear, and they buy the book. There's very little scholarship or education involved.
There is a whole lot of inaccurate stuff in the textbooks
I'm open minded, and I have this book.
This is not a very good book and the chapters on the civil war, are not the best work.
If you were to recommend a book that could explain the civil war, and lots of other parts of american history, this would not be it.
I feel like I got ripped off.
And I do know the civil war wasn't started over slavery.
As I said, echo-chamber material.

"Slavery was just a strawman argument for the North."
Actually, that strawman argument only gained popularity and force long after the war, among those who sought to revise history in such a way as to paint the north as completely in the right and the South as completely in the wrong.
It is a fallacious argument that serves only to support a kindergarten "angels vs. devils" view of the conflict.
Sure, there were abolitionists in the north, but there was a lot of racism, too. If the war had been to free the slaves, Lincoln couldn't have gotten an army together. People would have told him to pack sand.
As the North seemingly conceded during the War by admitting the breakaway state of West Virginia into the Union.
Not defending the totality of Woods' book, but he pegged this. Lincoln was about preservation of the Union. He stated openly, that if necessary, he would tolerate a continuation of slavery IF that were the option that would have maintained the Union without war. Emancipation Proclamation was a tactical move to create problems for the South once he finally had a General willing to use the North's economic and manpower advantage. Still celebrated in Texas as Juneteenth, June 19th was whwn the low speed of land mail got the document here.
Some of the Civil War documents are fascinating.
The Civil War involved quite a few issues. One that many people haven't learned about is that some of the southern landowners wanted to do what the British tried to do before the Monroe Doctrine: colonize and claim parts of Central and South America for plantations.
Another is that agitators with Susan B. Anthony in the North actually incited riots with their speeches promoting the secession of the South.
This is a general question, I as an outsider ponders. In Europe for example the defeated Scots or Irish were never loyal to their conquerers.
Is this an admission that modern Southeneres view Lincoln's position as the correct one and their ancestors were wrong?
Wst Virginia didn't "break away." It was split off by a Union Army invasion. Lincoln left the defense of Washington undermanned while dispatching 35,000 Union troops from PA and OH to western Virginia under McClellan. Philippi, Camp Garnett, Rich Mountain, Corrick's Ford, and Beverly were some of the battles that put Western Virginia in Union hands until statehood was granted in 1863. Adding a Free State in Congress was key to Lincoln's plan.
Let's see...South Carolina seceded in December of 1860, and Virginia, the most populous and largest state in the Union, seceded in April of 1861. Now, when was that ol' Emancipation enacted? Oh yeah, New Year's Day, 1863. Its obvious that this document was the cause of events that happened two years earlier since it was going to free all the slaves in the South! Oh, wait, what was that? It only freed slaves in territory already under Union control? Oh...
Before WhiskeyPapa was finally banned from this forum, I made him admit that there was no Constitutional prohibition nor any federal law that forbade secession, and he was a most obstinate opponent. Secession was not illegal, and in fact the act was obviously known to those who had lived through the American Revolution and drafted the United States Constitution, including the Tenth Amendment.
Whatever the Civil War was about, to make slavery the only cause is the same type of revision that the critic in the original New York Times Book Review was complaining about.
It is a fallacious argument that serves only to support a kindergarten "angels vs. devils" view of the conflict.
You've only got to go back to the speeches and editorials of the 1850s to see how divided the country was between those who believed that slavery was good or necessary and ought to be extended to the Western territories, and those who believed that it was wrong and its extension dangerous to liberty. Now that may not have been a question of "we're good and they're evil," and it wasn't a question of loving or caring about African-Americans and wanting to live with them as equals, but it was a clear conflict of interest. And beyond that material conflict was the question of what liberty would mean in America and whether it was compatible with slavery.
In later years, some people have been so concerned not to stigmatize Confederates as "evil" that they leave out the real conflicts over slavery and make it sound as though everyone was in agreement about it, which was not the case. The desire to establish equivalency also results in a kindergarten view of history. You don't have to give those who opposed slavery or its expansion any kind of moral crown, but you ought to recognize the stand they took and the fact that there were others who were very much opposed to them and in favor of slavery and its expansion. History could have been very different if they had prevailed.
As a matter of declarative intent
"That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; ...freed all slaves in the entire CSA.
However your point is taken. the EP could not have been what the war was about, because if there was no war, it would have had no effect at all.
"You've only got to go back to the speeches and editorials of the 1850s...some people have been so concerned not to stigmatize Confederates as "evil" that they leave out the real conflicts over slavery and make it sound as though everyone was in agreement about it, which was not the case."
It is not my intention to do that, nor do I think that everyone was in agreement. Events in bloody Kansas alone show that everyone was definitely not in agreement.
However, the speeches and editorials of the 1850s were...speeches and editorials. And just as speeches and editorials today reflect the opinions of varying numbers of people, so it must have been in the 1850s.
It would be an error to think that leftist media slugs speak for the whole country today, and I think it is an error to think that the speeches and editorials to which you refer accurately reflect the concerns and depth of feeling of the entire north back then.
It is interesting to look at how little actual financial support the radical John Brown ("Ossawatomie" Brown, after an apparent atrocity he is alleged to have committed in Kansas in the name of abolition) got from northerners. Part of the reason for the lack of support for him was the belief that slavery would soon wither away from other causes. I think this opinion was much more widespread than is generally believed today.
"but you ought to recognize the stand they took and the fact that there were others who were very much opposed to them and in favor of slavery and its expansion."
I never said that such individuals did not exist. I do say, though, that fervent abolitionists were a very small minority, and that few people would have enlisted in the Union Army specifically and only for the purpose of ending slavery.
It was only by misrepresenting the South as having "risen in rebellion" against the U.S. and the flag that Lincoln was able to raise his armies. Even so, he had to turn to the draft, and, as I'm sure you know, this led to rioting.
Rioting against the draft is hardly conduct indicative of a desire to lay one's life down to free the slaves.
"History could have been very different if they had prevailed."
Sure, if...
But slavery was becoming economically untenable. If there had been no War of Northern Aggression, something would have been worked out, just as in the several other countries that ended slavery without bloody conflicts.
Amen. You are correct, sir.
As a historian I can't help but ponder that the regions where calls to make the stars and stripes flag burning a crime was in the South by men who fought that same flag.
I know in Scotland the only way the Scots and Anglos joined was through a joining of royal houses and the is what stopped the border wars.
Dangnabbit. I'm kicking myself right now. In a rush to get out of the office and home to the family I dashed off my last response which included my sloppy mistake of saying that the E.C. freed the slaves in Union territory, when of course you are right in that it "freed" the slaves in territories that it did not at that time control. Thank you for your reply, and as I said, I'm applying the Size 10 Corrective Measure as I type...
Nice little ad hominem there, Max! Even though Woods' book does not defend or espouse Calhoun's views on slavery let's just throw it in there anyway to tar him and discredit his constitutional theories! Of course it should come as no surprise that the remainder of Boot's rant is a composite of ad hominems against the book's theories or author itself. All in all, a very poorly written review...even for the Weekly Standard.
First let me say that I am no lifelong scholar of political writings just someone who has recently taken a strong interest. I just received "John Calhoun's Selected Writings and Speeches". I have only finished the first chapter "A Disquisition on Government". How does anybody not read this as a premier work of American political philosophy? Can we not overcome a persons weaknesses ( his later position on slavery)and still acknowledge his great works? Maybe I am wrong but it seems to me using his slavery position to discredit does a great injustice to this brilliant work, IMHO.
Which brings me to my second point. Having read the "The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History" The major debate seem's to be with regard to the Civil War. OK fine, from all discussions I have heard this is a contentious subject anyway. Are their no other redeeming qualities to this book? I personally found it to be just what the author described it as a general, not thorough, rebuttal to some misconceptions of American history. I in no way took it as the final ultimate authority or perspective but as a book written that gives some perspectives and facts that would never be discussed in our politically correct public school systems.
Am I wrong on this?
At one time there were many leading minds in the conservative movement who held exactly that position. There still are to some extent. Bradford and Russell Kirk for example recognized the genius of Calhoun and espoused the strict constructionist view.
Harry Jaffa - the guy who more or less owns the Claremont Institute that's been leading the charge to discredit Woods' book - has been campaigning against Calhoun for over 50 years. He's never done any true or serious critique of Calhoun's theories (and IMO Jaffa is very much a mental lightweight who is more of a dogmatic thug than intellectual) but he always cites them as some sort of "where the south went wrong" type argument and invariably demands that they be expunged from any influence on American political philosophy. His most common tactic is to ignore virtually everything Calhoun ever said on constitutional theory and shout "slavery! slavery! slavery!" as loud and as often as he can in the context of Calhoun's name.
The idea is to fraudulently reduce everything Calhoun ever said or did to "slavery," which in turn is an easy idea to dismiss as junk. The product the Jaffaites often produce is very bizarre - as in claiming that when Calhoun was writing a treatise against protective tariffs that said virtually nothing about slavery that it really was all about slavery and nothing more since slave labor produced the cotton that got traded internationally. You may recognize this type of argument in which the entirity of economic production and all surrounding is reduced to something objectionable in its labor component from somewhere else. That somewhere else is Karl Marx. It's almost ot the point that you can take anything the Calhoun bashers like Jaffa say on him (or on Woods' book, which they associate with him), go through it and cross out the word "slave" and replace it with "proletariat," and end up with a Marxist tract. The sad thing is that the Jaffaites either do not realize this, or if they do, they don't care about it or its implications, meaning they are not truly the conservatives they claim to be.
Move to New Hampshire and try to not pay your federal taxes and let us know what happens.
I wonder if anyone besides me know who said this:
Civil war, such as you have just passed through, naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings, and so far as in our power to do so to cultivate friendly feelings toward those with whom we have so long contested and heretofore so widely but honestly differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out, and when you return home a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect even of your enemies.
"Move to New Hampshire and try to not pay your federal taxes and let us know what happens."
Actually, I went to New Hampshire last fall with the intention of moving there. I had a contract on a place & everything. First thing anyone said was "we do not have federal income tax." I looked up NH legislature & found it to be true. They are also the only state that does not have a seat belt law. They had also passed legislation to nullify the Patriot Act in NH, effective 1-05.
Surely you are joking....?
Sounds great. Stop filing 1040s and on down the line let us know, maybe we can get you a commissary fund going while you do time. Meantime, next time you fly, tell the airport security you can keep your Bic lighter since New Hampshire doesn't recognise the Patriot Act. Might need that commissary fund sooner than you think.
General Nathan Bedford Forrest.
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