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Gays Debate Radical Steps to Curb Unsafe Sex
New York Times | February 15th. 2005 | Andrew Jacobs

Posted on 02/15/2005 4:30:35 AM PST by infocats

"After all the thousands of AIDS deaths and all the years of "Safe Sex Is Hot Sex" prevention messages, it has come down to this: many gay men who know the rules of engagement in the age of AIDS are not using condoms. As news of a potentially virulent strain of H.I.V. settles in, gay activists and AIDS prevention workers say they are dismayed and angry that the 25-year-old battle against the disease might have to begin all over again.

While many are calling for a renewed commitment to prevention efforts and free condoms, some veterans of the war on AIDS are advocating an entirely new approach to the spread of unsafe sex, much of which is fueled by a surge in methamphetamine abuse. They want to track down those who knowingly engage in risky behavior and try to stop them before they can infect others.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aids; gayactivisim; safesex

1 posted on 02/15/2005 4:30:35 AM PST by infocats
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To: infocats

Homosexual sex in the human sewer system gives them a renewed kick in the ass.

What's next Mr. Surge and Urge?


2 posted on 02/15/2005 4:33:38 AM PST by chambley1 (n)
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To: infocats
They want to track down those who knowingly engage in risky behavior and try to stop them before they can infect others.

And what will they do? Force the "risky" at gunpoint to wrap their rascals...?

3 posted on 02/15/2005 4:34:27 AM PST by freebilly (I am The Thread Killer! DO NOT REPLY!)
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To: infocats
...many gay men who know the rules of engagement in the age of AIDS are not using condoms.

They reap what they sow.

4 posted on 02/15/2005 4:35:12 AM PST by rickmichaels ("We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way." - Toby Keith)
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To: infocats
some veterans of the war on AIDS are advocating an entirely new approach to the spread of unsafe sex

EXIT ONLY tatoos on their butts?

5 posted on 02/15/2005 4:36:47 AM PST by hflynn
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To: rickmichaels

Track them down and kill them? This could get interesting. But I will leave it to them to figure out.


6 posted on 02/15/2005 4:37:19 AM PST by KateatRFM
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To: freebilly
Isn't having gay sex "risky behavior" in itself?

Here's an idea, "tab-A'" goes is "slot-B" not "slot-C". Read the directions before attempting at home.

7 posted on 02/15/2005 4:37:32 AM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: infocats
some veterans of the war on AIDS are advocating an entirely new approach to the spread of unsafe sex

EXIT ONLY tattoos on their butts?

8 posted on 02/15/2005 4:37:38 AM PST by hflynn
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To: infocats

How about self-control? Nah, that's probably way too radical for the moral relativity crowd.


9 posted on 02/15/2005 4:40:27 AM PST by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: infocats

The only way they are going to stop Aids is to make the queers sit down and keep their mouths shut.


10 posted on 02/15/2005 4:42:42 AM PST by DH
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To: hflynn

This type of behavior, no matter how risky (risk is part of the attraction, seemingly) is going to continue despite the attempts from outside to intervene. Even attempts from within the subculture have not been effective in putting a stop to the spread of disease. AIDS seems to be the only disease we discuss, but there are a multitude of others that are spread quickly by the same means.

The only real chance we have of beating this scourge is finding a cure. Certainly, and end to gay sex would be a start, but it ain't gonna happen. What is needed, is an innoculation like we have for so many other deadly diseases that used to take lives - we never give them a thought these days, except as the name of a shot on our medical records.

We can't hope to control human behavior. When has that ever worked well?


11 posted on 02/15/2005 4:44:40 AM PST by seams2me (Laura Bush is my first lady for 4 more years!)
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To: infidel29

Excellent response and tagline.


12 posted on 02/15/2005 4:44:43 AM PST by opus86
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To: infidel29
oops..."goes is" should be "goes in".
13 posted on 02/15/2005 4:47:21 AM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: opus86

Thanks. I've been considering other quotes for tagline, but I hate for this great quote to go unused.


14 posted on 02/15/2005 4:48:37 AM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: infocats

Unless you can change the nature of men, I don't see any hope for it. Men are aggressive, and men-on-men are doubly so.

What needs to happen is to prevent our young people from growing into this behavior.

Since that's not the agenda of the homosexual lobby, I have no sympathy for them.


15 posted on 02/15/2005 4:58:12 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: infocats

How about stick a gun to their head and shoot'em. Nah, that won't work, they're already effectively doing that. If it were not for the fear of the disease jumping to the non-deviant social groups, I would say, "don't interrupt them."


16 posted on 02/15/2005 5:00:18 AM PST by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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To: infocats

Sew their asses shut and install a colostomy bag.


17 posted on 02/15/2005 5:03:58 AM PST by Ron in Acreage (Kerry is (no longer) a threat to national security)
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To: AQGeiger
How about self-control? Nah, that's probably way too radical for the moral relativity crowd.

Do moral relativists see the irony in their making suggestions as to what people should and shouldn't do? I didn't think so. Ah well.

18 posted on 02/15/2005 5:04:15 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: infocats
Ever feel bulletproof in the middle of a firefight?
It's great.
19 posted on 02/15/2005 5:06:22 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Aquinasfan

I have wondered that myself. Can they not see that they attempt to force their moral relativity upon others as if it's an absolute, thereby making themselves hypocrites? However, even if they did, in their egotism, they would likely exclude themselves, since they know better than everyone else.


20 posted on 02/15/2005 5:09:14 AM PST by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: hflynn
How bad is the AIDS problem in CUBA?

Lots of same-sex marriage protests?

21 posted on 02/15/2005 5:09:25 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: infocats
What makes them think it will work this time homosexual sex has never been known for impulse control. Some of this pigs consider unprotected sex a right. their impulse control is minuscule to non existent. Let them have at it, the herd will cull itself for quickly. The only thing the government has to let them know is: this is a self induced sickness. We will not study it, we will not cure it and we will not pay for it. This disease is a result of risky sexual practices. If you have unprotected sex with anyone, homosexual or heterosexual, you have signed your own death warrant with your own blood. We will not pay.
22 posted on 02/15/2005 5:15:49 AM PST by MKM1960
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To: seams2me

Aids probably would hardly exist if quarantines were put in place from the start. These people have a deadly communicable disease and are allowed to walk around spreading it to anyone they please. I wonder how many people AIDS political correctness has killed?


23 posted on 02/15/2005 5:18:58 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: hflynn

The CURE for AIDS was available and told to people as far back as AIDS started becoming generally known.

The cure is: Keep it in your pants.


24 posted on 02/15/2005 5:20:18 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: chambley1
If tobacco reduced the average lifespan by 20 years, it would be outlawed or at least condemned. 1 in 4 homosexual men will catch HIV in 10 years.

Pray for W and Our Troops

25 posted on 02/15/2005 5:22:02 AM PST by bray (Iraq Freed Politically and Pray it will be Freed Spiritually)
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To: infocats

The only safe sex is chastity.


26 posted on 02/15/2005 5:25:33 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: infocats
The curse(s) could have been diminished years ago by adopting Bill Buckley's suggestion.

Tattooed warnings (preceded by mandatory tests, as were done for syphilis for years).

27 posted on 02/15/2005 5:27:26 AM PST by iconoclast (Can anyone direct me to any place in our founding documents where "democracy" is mentioned?)
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To: infocats
I know we all get frustrated with the in-your-face tactics of the homosexual lobby and the attempt to force a morality on the rest of us in the name of not forcing our morality on them, but I am very disturbed at the thought that we forget the victims of this disease are human beings. They need help, not ridicule. They actually need help in coming to grips with their mental illness, which encourages the spread of their physical ailment.

We can and should disagree politically, and do so as forcefully as we can. But suggesting - even in fun - that those with AIDS should be shot so they won't spread the infection doesn't sound like a good approach.

Yes, I know my tagline is irreverent, and maybe it is even over-the-top. But I'm not advocating the slaughter of gays.

Shalom.

28 posted on 02/15/2005 5:29:24 AM PST by ArGee (Having homosexual sex makes as much sense as drinking beer through your a$$.)
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To: L98Fiero
I wonder how many people AIDS political correctness has killed?

Most certainly every non-homosexual AIDS victim.

29 posted on 02/15/2005 5:33:09 AM PST by iconoclast (Can anyone direct me to any place in our founding documents where "democracy" is mentioned?)
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To: DH

That'd make a darned good tag line. ;o)


30 posted on 02/15/2005 5:44:14 AM PST by iconoclast (Can anyone direct me to any place in our founding documents where "democracy" is mentioned?)
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To: infocats
News of a potentially virulent strain of H.I.V. ....

Imagined exchange prior to this new strain:

THOUSANDS OF QUEERS: I am actually going to seek out infected "partners".

GOD: NOW you've REALLY made me mad!

31 posted on 02/15/2005 5:51:45 AM PST by iconoclast (Can anyone direct me to any place in our founding documents where "democracy" is mentioned?)
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To: DH
The only way they are going to stop Aids is to make the queers sit down and keep their mouths shut.

LOL! That advice just ruined my keyboard !

32 posted on 02/15/2005 5:53:16 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: hflynn
Until the Cure for aids is available, I like the Tattoo for HIV carriers concept. How about somewhere more visible than the rear....I suggest on the left shoulder about like the vaccination mark for other Communicable Diseases.
33 posted on 02/15/2005 6:03:58 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: iopscusa

"If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document."

Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.


"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology."

Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.



By: - Dr. Etienne de Harven

In conclusion, and after extensive reviewing of the current AIDS research literature, the following statement appears inescapable: neither electron microscopy nor molecular markers have so far permitted a scientifically sound demonstration of retrovirus isolation directly from AIDS patients.

This conclusion fully confiens the recent reports published in Continuum by E. Papadopulos and by S. Lanka.

Dr. Etienne de Harven is emeritus Professor of Pathology, University of Toronto. He worked in electron microscopy (EM) primarily on the ultrastructure of retroviruses throughout his professional career of 25 years at the Sloan Kettering Institute in New York and 13 years at the University of Toronto. In 1956 he was the first to report on the EM of the Friend virus in murine (mouse) leukemia, and in 1960, to coin the word "budding" to describe steps of virus assembly on cell surfaces. He will deliver a speech at the 12th World AIDS Conference in Geneva (June 28-July 3) at the session "HIV-testing: Open Questions about Specificity".

No evidence for the existence of HIV
By: - Stefan Lanka Ph.D. studied Virology at the University of Koblenz, Germany.


Such evidence has up till now never been produced for HIV. No photograph of an isolated HIV particle has ever been published nor of any of its proteins or nucleic acids. No control experiments as mentioned above have been published to date. What has been shown are photographs of virus-like particles in cell cultures, but none of isolated viruses, let alone of a structure within the human body having the shape ascribed to HIV. What the whole world has seen are models representing HIV with dish aerials, said to be receptors with which the virus attaches itself to cells.

The existence of HIV is inferred from an antibody test, but how this is supposed to work, when the virus has never been shown to exist and obtained free of contaminants, remains a mystery.


34 posted on 06/06/2005 4:06:18 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: seams2me
We can't hope to control human behavior. When has that ever worked well?

When they die.

35 posted on 06/06/2005 4:10:23 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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