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Mich. mayor blacklists those who sued city
AP ^ | Feb 14, 2005

Posted on 02/15/2005 3:17:18 PM PST by swilhelm73

FLINT, Mich. (AP) -- Mayor Don Williamson is taking a novel tack in fighting lawsuits - he's withholding city business from anyone who has sued Flint within the past five years.

Williamson said the Jan. 21 policy is in the taxpayers' best interests. In recent years, the city faced a multimillion-dollar deficit that prompted the state to declare a financial emergency.

"Who in the world would want to do business if you're sued by 'em?" Williamson said.

But Greg Gibbs, chairman of the Greater Flint branch of the American Civil Liberties Union, said he would go to federal court to have the policy declared unconstitutional.

"That's just a reckless, retaliatory action (against) people who exercise their rights to go to court," Gibbs said. "It's reactionary. It's extreme."

The city attorney's office would not immediately release a list of people or businesses the policy would affect.

Employees who violate the policy face discipline, including a 30-day suspension or firing.

City attorney Trachelle Young said the policy is constitutional because it doesn't limit a person's First Amendment right to petition the government.

But Robert Sedler, a Wayne State University law professor, predicted the policy would not survive a constitutional challenge.

Williamson has issued unusual directives before. Last year, an executive order barred city workers from having non-work-related reading material on city property during their work hours.

He later relaxed the ban to allow newspapers during employee breaks after police temporarily detained a newspaper carrier trying to deliver subscriptions to City Hall.

A recall petition claiming Williamson was trying to "take away our freedom of speech" stalled last year when the county election commission ruled the petition language was too vague.

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TOPICS: Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: donwilliamson; flint; govwatch

1 posted on 02/15/2005 3:17:18 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73

Isn't this common sense?


2 posted on 02/15/2005 3:18:02 PM PST by Drango (tag line under repair)
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To: Drango
Isn't this common sense?

since the ACLU is against it yes.

3 posted on 02/15/2005 3:19:48 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: swilhelm73

I grew up in that town, it is the armpit of America.


4 posted on 02/15/2005 3:20:29 PM PST by exnavy
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To: swilhelm73

"Greg Gibbs"

Sure would like to meet him/her/it in an alley...


5 posted on 02/15/2005 3:23:22 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Drango

For anyone but a government it would be common sense. For the government it sets off Constitutional violations up and down the board.


6 posted on 02/15/2005 3:26:13 PM PST by thoughtomator (If Islam is a religion, so is Liberal!)
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To: swilhelm73

I fail to see how this will decrease lawsuits. This is more like a full employment policy for trial lawyers. Now every business that has sued that city in the last five years will have grounds to file another lawsuit.


7 posted on 02/15/2005 3:27:26 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Drango

What is your remedy should the city have actually wronged anyone? "So what are you going to do about it, big boy? Sue us and lose five years of future business?" Some of the suits might well have been legit. The city should have some disincentive to wrong others.


8 posted on 02/15/2005 3:27:59 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Drango
Isn't this common sense?

I don't know. What were the original lawsuits about?

"That's just a reckless, retaliatory action (against) people who exercise their rights to go to court," Gibbs said.

As much as it leaves a REALLY bad taste in my mouth, I have to agree with the ...ugh...ACLU on this one until I know more.

FMCDH(BITS)

9 posted on 02/15/2005 3:28:41 PM PST by nothingnew (There are two kinds of people; Decent and indecent.)
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To: swilhelm73

I have to back the mayor on this one. Why should I do business with jerks that sue?


10 posted on 02/15/2005 3:29:27 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Republican Party Reptile)
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To: thoughtomator

so if a teacher sues the city school district, the will loose their job?

Do worker's comp claims count?

What about contractor that sue cities for payment for work done and prevail?

If I was a lawyer suing the city on behalf of a client I would include a demand for injuncitve relief.


This makes only limited sense.


11 posted on 02/15/2005 3:31:35 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: exnavy
I actually drove through Flint on Dort Highway one time with a 4X8 sign in the back of the pickup. It was a sign for Dick Posthumus, the Republican gubenatorial candidate.

Yes, I'm crazy.

12 posted on 02/15/2005 3:32:56 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Republican Party Reptile)
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To: Dan from Michigan

The government is always honorable, and only jerks sue?


13 posted on 02/15/2005 3:33:19 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan
What is your remedy should the city have actually wronged anyone?

I'd assume the remedy is that the plaintff would win in court and get the appropriate relief. But next month, and next year business is business, and neither side should have anything to do with each other. In other words take your business elsewhere.

14 posted on 02/15/2005 3:35:08 PM PST by Drango (tag line under repair)
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To: Drango
and neither side should have anything to do with each other

So the business shouldn't have to pay any taxes, or buy or renew government licenses? Cool!

15 posted on 02/15/2005 3:40:33 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: exnavy
I grew up in that town, it is the armpit of America.

I think Camden, New Jersey can give Flint a run for its money, although both are broke.

16 posted on 02/15/2005 3:41:36 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: swilhelm73

The Constitution's main purpose is to limit the reach and strength of the government's power over the people.

For one person in the government to decide to use a methodical plan of retribution on lawfully acting people does not necessarily represent the will of the people.


17 posted on 02/15/2005 3:47:05 PM PST by HighWheeler (A culture of civility can't be established if truth's irrelevant to one side of the political debate)
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To: Dan from Michigan
LOL Not to well received would be an understatement!!!!
19 posted on 02/15/2005 4:32:45 PM PST by exnavy
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To: Clemenza

The problem in Flint mostly has to do with GM pulling up stakes and moving out.


20 posted on 02/15/2005 4:38:01 PM PST by exnavy
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To: exnavy

Camden still has Campbell's Soup, although their workers speed in and out of town as quickly as possible. All that lives in Camden are welfare cases and druggies. There are no neighborhoods left in the traditional sense.


21 posted on 02/15/2005 5:27:31 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Clemenza

I'm not sure what is left in Flint for a manufacturing base, I know there is a lot of boarded up buildings.


22 posted on 02/15/2005 5:30:08 PM PST by exnavy
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To: swilhelm73
Since I live in Flint, here's the real scoop...

Most of the suits have to do with contractors who had done work for the city and did NOT get paid. These suits have come about in the last year since he took office. He's a Democratic mayor that thinks he can balance the budget by ignoring contracts instead of doing his job. The fact that the ACLU is involved means nothing in this case. (They're still wrong the other 90% of the time...)
23 posted on 02/15/2005 5:48:57 PM PST by AsYouAre
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To: swilhelm73

Heh... businesses also do that. Sued us? Out you go. It is common sense. I knew someone who'd sued the city (I think it was over workers comp; OTOH, that family is such a bunch of cons and liars, it could have been that he was wanted by the law) and claimed in any case that one of the terms of the settlement was that he not set foot inside city limits.


24 posted on 02/16/2005 9:10:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: nothingnew

I would never do business with anyone who had sued me in the past....why should a city?


25 posted on 02/16/2005 9:12:07 AM PST by Feiny (Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.)
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To: swilhelm73

This is crap coming out of the ACLU. How does working with groups that have fielded bunko and frivolous lawsuits against the city helping the citizen taxpayer?


26 posted on 02/16/2005 9:13:54 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: swilhelm73

He should also publish the names of the plaintiff's attorneys.


27 posted on 02/16/2005 9:16:19 AM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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