Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

What Has the Feminist Movement Done to Modesty -- And American Girls?
Human Events Online ^ | Feb. 16, 2005 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 02/16/2005 7:35:13 AM PST by MisterRepublican

If you watch a lot of cable television, you've probably seen the ads, especially late at night or early in the morning. The "Girls Gone Wild" videos promise to show you coeds behaving badly on the beach during Spring Break or getting down and dirty at Mardi Gras. The formula is simple: find a group of nubile young things drunk out of their heads and induce them to pull up their T-shirts or pull down their shorts and expose themselves to anyone willing to fork over $19.95 for the privilege. The most recent incarnation features gangster rapper Snoop Dogg hawking fresh, young flesh.

Call me old-fashioned, but I just can't imagine what these girls were thinking when they agreed to "show off their assets," as one knock-off video boasts. These young women aren't pros -- they are not part of the pornographic underworld -- but ordinary teens and twenty-somethings who one day will be wives and mothers. One young girl, who was 17 at the time she allowed herself to be photographed topless, has already sued the producers of "The Guy Game," a video game featuring females in various stages of undress. Her suit claims she did not give a "valid or enforceable consent or release" for photos to be used by the video game makers. "Plaintiff is still a teenager and wishes to attend college, develop her career and be active in her community and church." Good luck.

What is most shocking about this phenomenon is that we're not all that shocked by it. Modesty used to be considered a natural female attribute. No more. Just take a look around next time you're at the mall.

(Excerpt) Read more at humaneventsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: culturewars; fashion; feminists; girls; girlsgonewild; influence; lindachavez; mardigras; media; snoopdogg; teens; theguygame
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 301-314 next last

1 posted on 02/16/2005 7:35:13 AM PST by MisterRepublican
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican

actions have consequences. bear them. (pun intended).


2 posted on 02/16/2005 7:37:31 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican

I agree - many young woman have lost all sense of decency and with that goes their self esteem. The downward spiral continues ....

What are their parents teaching them?
Why would anyone think this was a good idea?
How low will they go?

I am hoping the rebound towards moral values reaches these women.


3 posted on 02/16/2005 7:40:58 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave Barry)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican
Anyone who has seen MTV or many of the tv shows on now knows young girls are affected by the media. No surprise there. It's just sad that one day most of them will regret their behavior. Our culture continues to deteriorate.
4 posted on 02/16/2005 7:43:33 AM PST by mlc9852
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dashing Dasher

Well, I'm sure that it's still the same as when I was in high school. The girls had individual, private showers, because of modesty, while the boys showered in a big herd.


5 posted on 02/16/2005 7:43:49 AM PST by Boardwalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican
This article illustrates "the fallacy of the idealized past." Chavez pines for an imagined past of female modesty, chastity and purity -- a past which she compares unfavorably to the grubby present-day. It's a very common flaw of the left and the right.

In fact, the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine.

6 posted on 02/16/2005 7:45:29 AM PST by 68skylark
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican
I just can't imagine what these girls were thinking

As she said in the first paragraph, they were "drunk out of their heads". Where's the mystery?

7 posted on 02/16/2005 7:45:38 AM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #8 Removed by Moderator

To: MisterRepublican
Ladies, please keep this proverb in mind... it is as true today as the day it was written.

Like a gold ring in a pig's snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.

9 posted on 02/16/2005 7:46:12 AM PST by HamiltonJay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Boardwalk

Missing your point....

Modesty imposed on them in HS makes them lift their shirts for a camera?


10 posted on 02/16/2005 7:46:26 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave Barry)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican

Female modesty was forced into the closet in the 60's... every attempt for it to see the light of day since then has been publically ridiculed and its devotees labled "prudes"...


11 posted on 02/16/2005 7:49:05 AM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican

I hadn't been in the halls of a public high school for about 10 years when circumstances bought me there last year. I was jolted by the contrast between the way girls were dressing and the way boys were dressing. The school was a suburban very middle class high achieving institution.

The girls dressed like streetcorner sex trade workers did (again ten years ago.) I can't imagine how far hookers have gone in attire in these intervening years.

But the boys --- they were covered from head to toe in supersized baggy tops and pants. Are the girls becoming the aggressors in school? Are the boys feeling diminished and 'hiding'? It would seem that Laura Bush's message that it is time to focus on the needs of boys is long overdue, if this outward expression of 'self-esteem' is any indication.


12 posted on 02/16/2005 7:50:21 AM PST by maica (Ask a Dem: "When did promoting Democracy and Freedom in the World become a Bad Thing??")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark

Expect your post to be ignored. The church ladies are in a tizzie.


13 posted on 02/16/2005 7:50:32 AM PST by MonroeDNA (US OUT of the UN!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark

In fact, the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine.
%%%%%%


Examples??


14 posted on 02/16/2005 7:51:32 AM PST by maica (Ask a Dem: "When did promoting Democracy and Freedom in the World become a Bad Thing??")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican
This weekend I attended my daughter's gymnastics meet. I sat in front of a mother who was telling a woman beside he that she wished her daughter (approx 10 years old) would get her naval pierced. She thought it wold look "darling."

I think some kids are simply not taught modesty. It's not hard. We just need to parent our young.

I have a beautiful daughter, and I've taught her to be modest. She actually enjoys being known for her long, spiraling old fashioned skirts, and refuses to wear shorter skirts unless they're skorts, which keep her covered.

It started when she was young, and we taught her to keep her knees together and her feet on the floor when she wore skirts, because "ladies did not show their underware." Since she's a gymnast, I tell her to wear pants if she thinks she might be tempted to do her flips, even if she's just hanging out with her family.
15 posted on 02/16/2005 7:52:18 AM PST by keats5
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican

Feminists used to decry the sexual exploitation of women by men.

Feminists have succeeded in "empowering" women to take control of their sexuality.

The result is that now women are free to exploit their own sexuality.

We're pretty much right back where we started when feminists where decrying "exploitation" only now they don't have the men to bash.

YOU GO GIRL!


16 posted on 02/16/2005 7:55:33 AM PST by twas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark
This article illustrates "the fallacy of the idealized past." Chavez pines for an imagined past of female modesty, chastity and purity -- a past which she compares unfavorably to the grubby present-day. It's a very common flaw of the left and the right. In fact, the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine.

Not reading your history is a common failing of the ignorant. In fact, women in this country had an incredible sense of modesty (often criticized by the Hugh Hefner's of our land) from the earliest days of our Republic right up until the 1920's. This may explain why sexual assault was virtually unheard of, and why (in public at least) women were treated with a seemingly exaggerated courtesy and respect, right up until the the middle of the 20th Century.

17 posted on 02/16/2005 7:59:49 AM PST by pawdoggie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

Comment #18 Removed by Moderator

To: Boardwalk

Not in my school they didn't. It was one long tunnel of showerheads, and the gym teacher stood there to ensure that ALL took showers. Yuck.


19 posted on 02/16/2005 8:05:20 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark

How far back in the past are we talking about? The 1940's or the Roman Empire?


20 posted on 02/16/2005 8:08:27 AM PST by ChocChipCookie (Really! I'm just a nice little stay-at-home mom!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: maica

Makes you wonder - it's a nationwide trend, I guess. The boys can't keep their clothes on because they're so baggy.

The girls can't keep theirs on because they're so short and tight they reveal everything.

Sadly, the same "fashions" the 14yo are wearing has been filtering down to the kindergarten set.


21 posted on 02/16/2005 8:09:42 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican
And you wonder why Bratz-related products have become extremely popular items.
22 posted on 02/16/2005 8:10:17 AM PST by RayChuang88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: maica
For most of history, most people lived in horrible squalid conditions. Whole families (sometimes several families) would live in a room or two -- the people had little more modesty or opportunities for privacy than barnyard animals (who often also lived in the same room). In large parts of the world (maybe a majority of the world) most people still live this way today. Exposed breasts are common. Modesty was only an option for very few in the upper class.

It's this tiny upper class that gets depicted in Jane Austen romance novels and Hollywood movies, and people think this was the norm. It's not.

23 posted on 02/16/2005 8:11:16 AM PST by 68skylark
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: cinives

In the older days, Feminists didn't want women to dress in a revealing way because it was catering to men. Now they want them to dress like sluts for older women to enjoy.


24 posted on 02/16/2005 8:12:27 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Dashing Dasher
<<<>> Their parents aren't teaching them anything, obviously, because neither parent is in the home, they're both out working, trying to "have it all". You see these days, material things are more important, cell phones, tv in every room, big SUV in the driveway plus a car for each family member, vacation home, bla bla bla. It goes back to what I've said over and over again, women NEED to be in the home instead of out working 50-60 hours a week. This is the result of supermoms.
25 posted on 02/16/2005 8:15:54 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark

>>>In fact, the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine<<<

On what planet did you witness the sordid, grubby and immodest past?


26 posted on 02/16/2005 8:17:06 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: the invisib1e hand

Well said. These people have trouble dealing with the naked truth. They have been ... exposed ... to the consequences of their actions. Now, they are busted. This story really has legs ... Sorry, I'll stop now.


27 posted on 02/16/2005 8:17:25 AM PST by Airborne1986 (Well, You can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here while you badmouth the U.S.A.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark
"In fact, the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine." Please elaborate for us.
and.........there were tv crews around to tape the events and disseminate it into homes all around the world...right????? I am alluding to the idea that personal debauchery's influence was pretty much limited to those within eye shot or ear shot of the event in the past, but not theses days. Which means we have more responsibility to keep our personal perversity's private.
28 posted on 02/16/2005 8:21:00 AM PST by clearsight
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark
I beg to differ.

The English have had a solid yeoman class at least since the Black Death, and a middle class of minor gentry long before that. Your average yeoman-farmer's daughters in the 13th century were as modest as they could be. This tradition has continued. Jane Austen was not upper class - she was very much middle, daughter of a country rector whose brothers went into the Navy.

It's the upper class that has always been immodest in Britain - the real scandals in Jane Austen's period were generated by the nobility and royalty.

29 posted on 02/16/2005 8:22:08 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: RayChuang88
Bratz costumes...


30 posted on 02/16/2005 8:22:44 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican

There is no room for modesty in radical feminism.


31 posted on 02/16/2005 8:24:21 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: maica
Examples??

Well, from a historical perspective, did you know that in the Victorian era -- the golden age of "female modesty," prostitution was far more widespread than it is today, and was socially acceptable to boot? In many parts of the country, it was considered the norm for a father to take his son to a prostitute as a rite of passage.

32 posted on 02/16/2005 8:26:25 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican

Feminists are good for fun becasue they will have an abortion as a result of recreational sex. Feminists do not want marriage, but they do want sex. Feminists are not so picky about their sex partners because they enjoy recreational sex.

seems very clear.


33 posted on 02/16/2005 8:26:34 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MisterRepublican

If God meant us to be naked we would have been born...

Oh.

Never mind.


34 posted on 02/16/2005 8:28:23 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: the invisib1e hand
Remember this: How did Monica seduce a president? She snapped her thong at him!

I miss the days when females work skirts that fell just below the neat or were ankle lanth, where I wasn't looking at their flab oozing over their waistbands, where they obviously weren't wearing undergarments like Ms. Natalie Portman (right):


35 posted on 02/16/2005 8:28:33 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark
In fact, the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine.

We didn't have a 30% illegitimacy rate in the past and tons of fatherless welfare families the taxpayers have to support.

36 posted on 02/16/2005 8:29:16 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: rockabyebaby

My views are at post #23.


37 posted on 02/16/2005 8:29:26 AM PST by 68skylark
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: clearsight
there were tv crews around to tape the events and disseminate it into homes all around the world...right?????

Nope. In the good old days you went down to your choice of local whorehouse and did your sinning in person. We've become spectators.

38 posted on 02/16/2005 8:30:45 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: AnAmericanMother
It's the upper class that has always been immodest in Britain

Yep, just look at the royal family.

39 posted on 02/16/2005 8:30:51 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: newzjunkey

"Mmmmmm. Perky Natalie Portman."

Scary thing is, that's what Hillary is thinking.


40 posted on 02/16/2005 8:32:22 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: A Ruckus of Dogs

I think part of this comes from mothers who are trying to relive their sexual past through their daughters.


41 posted on 02/16/2005 8:33:33 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: cinives

That sounds abusive! I went to private school. Thank you mum and dad!


42 posted on 02/16/2005 8:33:42 AM PST by Boardwalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: rockabyebaby
On what planet did you witness the sordid, grubby and immodest past?

History and Victoria have sanitized what the massive influx of immigration wrought. The ghettos of the large American cities in the 19 century were not a modest place.

43 posted on 02/16/2005 8:33:51 AM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Alter Kaker
did you know that in the Victorian era -- the golden age of "female modesty," prostitution was far more widespread than it is today,

Because most of the regular women shunned casual encounters.

44 posted on 02/16/2005 8:34:10 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark

>>>For most of history, most people lived in horrible squalid conditions. Whole families (sometimes several families) would live in a room or two <<<

Where? What planet? What country? What year?


45 posted on 02/16/2005 8:34:41 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Nov3

>>The ghettos of the large American cities in the 19 century were not a modest place.<<

What are you talking about? Show me a link where woman were running around dressed like sluts in the 19th century.


46 posted on 02/16/2005 8:36:35 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark
I don't know. Don't you ever get tired of all that flesh shoved in your face? To sell toothpaste, cars, beer...?? It degrades women and I am so opposed to whatever degrades women. I see them and I think, how dare yo do this to your 'sisters'. After all, we are all in it together. If one element or group lowers the bar, everyone pays. I'm waiting for decent behavior and demeanor to return. For my money, what in the world is more alluring than a modest and properly behaved young woman, or any woman??? When I was younger I went to a party where some of the more 'cool' kids were attending. The girl that everyone always idolized at school was dead and disgustingly drunk. That was my lesson. NOT COOL then or ever.
47 posted on 02/16/2005 8:37:00 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus to his sons)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: the invisib1e hand

lighten up. Nothing wrong with a girl having a good time and lifting her shirt. Good clean fun I'd say. Just not fun for the whole family. But if you take your kids into the French Quarter during mardi gras, or anytime for that matter, it's you're own fault if they see some boobies.


48 posted on 02/16/2005 8:37:02 AM PST by pnome
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 68skylark
. . .the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine.

Why do you say that? If we are referring to the nineteenth century, which is generally considered the golden age of modesty and decorum, the private letters, diaries, and news articles of the time provide a very balanced picture of the thinking of the times. The view we get from a serious study of mid-nineteenth century social psychology is that people then had the same urges people have always had, without the advantage of therapy, psychiatric medications, or self-help gurus and their books or radio shows. They did have the overwhelmingly powerful influence of the church and public opinion to help them keep their behavior in check. They did not get welfare checks if they got pregnant and they didn't have any useful treatment if they got venereal diseases, so a single act of sexual congress made women risk death nine months down the road and made a man risk insanity and death years hence. Factors like these helped people behave a little bit better than we do today.

At the time, feminine virtue was esteemed. Were there coarse women, hookers, sluts? You bet. People are people. But there was an ideal of sweetness, integrity, honorable behavior, and chastity. These traits made it possible for men to respect and cherish women to an extent they rarely do today. We have lost something important when we lost the concept of feminine modesty.

49 posted on 02/16/2005 8:37:16 AM PST by Capriole (the Luddite hypocritically clicking away on her computer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: longtermmemmory

I think it comes from movies like Pretty Woman. What an inspid movie! When I was young it was Cinderalla, which was far more believable than Pretty Woman even considering the mice that turned into coachmen and the pumpkin turned into a coach. In modern times it translates into the rich, handsome, successful, single, man decides to marry a whore he picked up to service him for the week.


50 posted on 02/16/2005 8:37:45 AM PST by Boardwalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 301-314 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson