Skip to comments.What Has the Feminist Movement Done to Modesty -- And American Girls?
Posted on 02/16/2005 7:35:13 AM PST by MisterRepublican
If you watch a lot of cable television, you've probably seen the ads, especially late at night or early in the morning. The "Girls Gone Wild" videos promise to show you coeds behaving badly on the beach during Spring Break or getting down and dirty at Mardi Gras. The formula is simple: find a group of nubile young things drunk out of their heads and induce them to pull up their T-shirts or pull down their shorts and expose themselves to anyone willing to fork over $19.95 for the privilege. The most recent incarnation features gangster rapper Snoop Dogg hawking fresh, young flesh.
Call me old-fashioned, but I just can't imagine what these girls were thinking when they agreed to "show off their assets," as one knock-off video boasts. These young women aren't pros -- they are not part of the pornographic underworld -- but ordinary teens and twenty-somethings who one day will be wives and mothers. One young girl, who was 17 at the time she allowed herself to be photographed topless, has already sued the producers of "The Guy Game," a video game featuring females in various stages of undress. Her suit claims she did not give a "valid or enforceable consent or release" for photos to be used by the video game makers. "Plaintiff is still a teenager and wishes to attend college, develop her career and be active in her community and church." Good luck.
What is most shocking about this phenomenon is that we're not all that shocked by it. Modesty used to be considered a natural female attribute. No more. Just take a look around next time you're at the mall.
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actions have consequences. bear them. (pun intended).
I agree - many young woman have lost all sense of decency and with that goes their self esteem. The downward spiral continues ....
What are their parents teaching them?
Why would anyone think this was a good idea?
How low will they go?
I am hoping the rebound towards moral values reaches these women.
Well, I'm sure that it's still the same as when I was in high school. The girls had individual, private showers, because of modesty, while the boys showered in a big herd.
In fact, the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine.
As she said in the first paragraph, they were "drunk out of their heads". Where's the mystery?
Like a gold ring in a pig's snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.
Missing your point....
Modesty imposed on them in HS makes them lift their shirts for a camera?
Female modesty was forced into the closet in the 60's... every attempt for it to see the light of day since then has been publically ridiculed and its devotees labled "prudes"...
I hadn't been in the halls of a public high school for about 10 years when circumstances bought me there last year. I was jolted by the contrast between the way girls were dressing and the way boys were dressing. The school was a suburban very middle class high achieving institution.
The girls dressed like streetcorner sex trade workers did (again ten years ago.) I can't imagine how far hookers have gone in attire in these intervening years.
But the boys --- they were covered from head to toe in supersized baggy tops and pants. Are the girls becoming the aggressors in school? Are the boys feeling diminished and 'hiding'? It would seem that Laura Bush's message that it is time to focus on the needs of boys is long overdue, if this outward expression of 'self-esteem' is any indication.
Expect your post to be ignored. The church ladies are in a tizzie.
In fact, the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine.
Feminists used to decry the sexual exploitation of women by men.
Feminists have succeeded in "empowering" women to take control of their sexuality.
The result is that now women are free to exploit their own sexuality.
We're pretty much right back where we started when feminists where decrying "exploitation" only now they don't have the men to bash.
YOU GO GIRL!
Not reading your history is a common failing of the ignorant. In fact, women in this country had an incredible sense of modesty (often criticized by the Hugh Hefner's of our land) from the earliest days of our Republic right up until the 1920's. This may explain why sexual assault was virtually unheard of, and why (in public at least) women were treated with a seemingly exaggerated courtesy and respect, right up until the the middle of the 20th Century.
Not in my school they didn't. It was one long tunnel of showerheads, and the gym teacher stood there to ensure that ALL took showers. Yuck.
How far back in the past are we talking about? The 1940's or the Roman Empire?
Makes you wonder - it's a nationwide trend, I guess. The boys can't keep their clothes on because they're so baggy.
The girls can't keep theirs on because they're so short and tight they reveal everything.
Sadly, the same "fashions" the 14yo are wearing has been filtering down to the kindergarten set.
It's this tiny upper class that gets depicted in Jane Austen romance novels and Hollywood movies, and people think this was the norm. It's not.
In the older days, Feminists didn't want women to dress in a revealing way because it was catering to men. Now they want them to dress like sluts for older women to enjoy.
>>>In fact, the past was more sordid, grubby and immodest than anything we can now imagine<<<
On what planet did you witness the sordid, grubby and immodest past?
Well said. These people have trouble dealing with the naked truth. They have been ... exposed ... to the consequences of their actions. Now, they are busted. This story really has legs ... Sorry, I'll stop now.
The English have had a solid yeoman class at least since the Black Death, and a middle class of minor gentry long before that. Your average yeoman-farmer's daughters in the 13th century were as modest as they could be. This tradition has continued. Jane Austen was not upper class - she was very much middle, daughter of a country rector whose brothers went into the Navy.
It's the upper class that has always been immodest in Britain - the real scandals in Jane Austen's period were generated by the nobility and royalty.
There is no room for modesty in radical feminism.
Well, from a historical perspective, did you know that in the Victorian era -- the golden age of "female modesty," prostitution was far more widespread than it is today, and was socially acceptable to boot? In many parts of the country, it was considered the norm for a father to take his son to a prostitute as a rite of passage.
Feminists are good for fun becasue they will have an abortion as a result of recreational sex. Feminists do not want marriage, but they do want sex. Feminists are not so picky about their sex partners because they enjoy recreational sex.
seems very clear.
If God meant us to be naked we would have been born...
I miss the days when females work skirts that fell just below the neat or were ankle lanth, where I wasn't looking at their flab oozing over their waistbands, where they obviously weren't wearing undergarments like Ms. Natalie Portman (right):
We didn't have a 30% illegitimacy rate in the past and tons of fatherless welfare families the taxpayers have to support.
My views are at post #23.
Nope. In the good old days you went down to your choice of local whorehouse and did your sinning in person. We've become spectators.
Yep, just look at the royal family.
"Mmmmmm. Perky Natalie Portman."
Scary thing is, that's what Hillary is thinking.
I think part of this comes from mothers who are trying to relive their sexual past through their daughters.
That sounds abusive! I went to private school. Thank you mum and dad!
History and Victoria have sanitized what the massive influx of immigration wrought. The ghettos of the large American cities in the 19 century were not a modest place.
Because most of the regular women shunned casual encounters.
>>>For most of history, most people lived in horrible squalid conditions. Whole families (sometimes several families) would live in a room or two <<<
Where? What planet? What country? What year?
>>The ghettos of the large American cities in the 19 century were not a modest place.<<
What are you talking about? Show me a link where woman were running around dressed like sluts in the 19th century.
lighten up. Nothing wrong with a girl having a good time and lifting her shirt. Good clean fun I'd say. Just not fun for the whole family. But if you take your kids into the French Quarter during mardi gras, or anytime for that matter, it's you're own fault if they see some boobies.
Why do you say that? If we are referring to the nineteenth century, which is generally considered the golden age of modesty and decorum, the private letters, diaries, and news articles of the time provide a very balanced picture of the thinking of the times. The view we get from a serious study of mid-nineteenth century social psychology is that people then had the same urges people have always had, without the advantage of therapy, psychiatric medications, or self-help gurus and their books or radio shows. They did have the overwhelmingly powerful influence of the church and public opinion to help them keep their behavior in check. They did not get welfare checks if they got pregnant and they didn't have any useful treatment if they got venereal diseases, so a single act of sexual congress made women risk death nine months down the road and made a man risk insanity and death years hence. Factors like these helped people behave a little bit better than we do today.
At the time, feminine virtue was esteemed. Were there coarse women, hookers, sluts? You bet. People are people. But there was an ideal of sweetness, integrity, honorable behavior, and chastity. These traits made it possible for men to respect and cherish women to an extent they rarely do today. We have lost something important when we lost the concept of feminine modesty.
I think it comes from movies like Pretty Woman. What an inspid movie! When I was young it was Cinderalla, which was far more believable than Pretty Woman even considering the mice that turned into coachmen and the pumpkin turned into a coach. In modern times it translates into the rich, handsome, successful, single, man decides to marry a whore he picked up to service him for the week.
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