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China emerges as global consumer (China has "eclipsed" the US as a consumer nation)
BBC ^ | Thursday, 17 February, 2005

Posted on 02/17/2005 12:50:23 AM PST by nickcarraway

China has "eclipsed" the US as a consumer nation China has overtaken the US in the consumption of basic agricultural and industrial goods, a new survey says. China, with its 1.3bn population and booming economy, is now the world's biggest consumer of grain, meat, coal and steel.

China is well ahead of the US in the consumption of goods such as television sets, refrigerators and mobile phones.

The Washington-based Earth Policy Institute said China was now an emerging economic superpower.

However, per capita consumption in China - the world's most populous country - remains far below that of the US.

According to the report:

64m tons of meat were consumed in China in 2004 compared to 38m tons in the US

258m tons of steel were used in China in 2003 compared to 104m in the US

China's factories and homes burned 40% more coal than in the US

The number of PCs in China is doubling every 28 months.

'Writing history'

The latest official figures for the Chinese economy, the sixth-largest in the world, show that it is growing even faster than expected.

It expanded by 9.5% in 2004, its highest rate for eight years, the figures show.

"China's eclipse of the United States as a consumer nation should be seen as another milestone along the path of its evolution as a world economic leader," Lester Brown, the institute's president said.

"China is no longer just a developing country," he said. "It is an emerging economic superpower, one that is writing economic history".

The report said China's massive appetite for goods ranging from grain to platinum had placed it "at the centre of the world raw materials economy."

"Its voracious appetite for materials was driving up not only commodity prices but ocean shipping rates as well," it said.


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KEYWORDS: china; communism; consumption; economy; globalism; mercantilism; trade; us

1 posted on 02/17/2005 12:50:24 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The data is misleading. They are high numbers, but don't translate to caloric intake to the avg citizen. When they start demanding beef and start eating 3,000 calories - watch out.


2 posted on 02/17/2005 1:04:54 AM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: nickcarraway
The luxurious extravegance of Chinese Communist officials and private business people got rich through crony ties (we call them daikuan in Mandarin Chinese) will astonish many here. They make the chardonnay socialists, Texan oil tycoons, the John F. Kerrys, and even Beveley Hills Hollywood megariches look like thrifty middle class.

I once read accounts that these daikuans don't hesistate to spend US$10,000 on a 12-people feast every day in a one week row. They like to have food like good shark fins, good grouper, good abalone (which could be extremely expensive). They like to drive in Mercedes S500s and put on marble, Italian toiletries, French furniture, 50" plasma TVs in their homes.

Where did they get that much money? Ask Hu Jintao. ;-)

3 posted on 02/17/2005 1:05:15 AM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: nickcarraway
Having an electreic refrigerator in China is a status symbol.

please, these people need to get a clue

4 posted on 02/17/2005 1:06:28 AM PST by GeronL (The Old Media is at war with the New Media...... We are all Matt Drudges now.)
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To: GeronL

Earth Policy Institute, go figure.


5 posted on 02/17/2005 1:10:50 AM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: nickcarraway
The number of PCs in China is doubling every 28 months.

NO KIDDING! I get a solicitation for a "You're qualified for a new low mortgage rate!" about 10 times a day. Every one of the ones I've randomly traced by send originated in China. I imagine several of those sex pill ("V|ag'ara and C/I/A/L/I/5 to your door!") and pirated software ("Micr0soft W1ndows XP .... $60") spams also originate there.

6 posted on 02/17/2005 1:26:25 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: nickcarraway

China's population is five times that of US. When their consumptions are five times that of US, then I would be impressed. Of course, that's not going to happen. The planet does not have enough resources to support all these people at American standard.


7 posted on 02/17/2005 1:33:48 AM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: Fishing-guy
China's population is five times that of US. When their consumptions are five times that of US, then I would be impressed.

Then China will be FIVE times stronger than US. It means that USA will be in such relation to China as France is to USA today.

Having a big SUV, house with many rooms one do not use and eating too much does not make one stronger. So drinking wine at every meal and eating good cheese does not.

When China has the same size of economy (in real physical terms) and five times more population she will be much stronger (although poorer per capita).

8 posted on 02/17/2005 5:22:05 AM PST by A. Pole (Hush Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
258m tons of steel were used in China in 2003 compared to 104m in the US

Free trade bump!

9 posted on 02/17/2005 5:24:20 AM PST by A. Pole (Hush Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: Fishing-guy
The planet does not have enough resources to support all these people at American standard.

Ah, we don't know that.

10 posted on 02/17/2005 5:24:44 AM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a keynote speaker at a Wellstone memorial.........!)
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To: NZerFromHK
In the US those 50" and above plasma TVs are found more often in "manufactured housing" than otherwise.

Those are the guys who can afford the large motorboats on trailers and the Executors.

11 posted on 02/17/2005 5:25:03 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: endthematrix
If 1.3 billion people get on a 3,000 calorie McDonalds diet the increased weight in Asia will shift Earth's orbit! We will be doomed!

Hey, I think I just found something to submit a research grant about and design a computer model for! Yippee!

(sarcasm off)

12 posted on 02/17/2005 5:29:45 AM PST by katana
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To: Lexinom
I imagine several of those sex pill ("V|ag'ara and C/I/A/L/I/5 to your door!") and pirated software ("Micr0soft W1ndows XP .... $60") spams also originate there.

You mean those are scams?

13 posted on 02/17/2005 5:31:08 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: nickcarraway
China, with its 1.3bn population and booming economy, is now the world's biggest consumer of grain, meat, coal and steel.

Good. From here on in, everything is their fault.


14 posted on 02/17/2005 5:44:46 AM PST by Nick Danger (The only way out is through)
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To: nickcarraway

Most Americans view China as a backward, over populated Asian backwater nation. Sorry folks, China is going to be the dominate nation in the world in short order. This may not be all bad. Chinese are hard workers and long suffering people.

The Commie leaders time is running out. What form the next leadership will be is unknown but likely it will be better than the authoritarian regime now in control.

China has suffered enough blood bathes in the last 100 years to last into the next millenium.


15 posted on 02/17/2005 5:47:45 AM PST by hgro
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To: nickcarraway
That "sixth largest economy" in the world is misleading. That is a PPP index. It is a trillion or so GDP economy.

what this is a sign of, to a certain extent, is over capitalization of production and infrastructure assets.

16 posted on 02/17/2005 5:59:16 AM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: NZerFromHK; nickcarraway; GeronL

<< .... these [Pigs] don't hesistate to spend US$10,000.00 on a 12-man feast every day in a one week row. They like to have food like good shark fins, good grouper, good abalone. They like to drive in Mercedes S500s and put on marble, Italian toiletries, French furniture, 50" plasma TVs in their homes. >>

They are, in short every bit as obscenely vulgar in their habits as are les cochons nouveaux riches of every color and creed. As I observe up close, here in Asia, every day -- and have for more than 40 years.

Never forgetting that 40% of their income derives from the counterfeit production of other peoples' intellectual property and of the conspicuous "brand named" goods by which these essentially-self-loathing low lifes delude themselves they are showing themselves to be more important than and are "impressing" others whom they loathe even more that they loathe themselves!

And every single day every one of them, upon awakening, gets himself up on an elbow and looks all around and asks himself: "Is this all there is?"

Self-loathing self-delusion as an art form. As a way of life.

Oink! Oink Oink!


17 posted on 02/17/2005 6:00:48 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: hgro
The Commie leaders time is running out. What form the next leadership will be is unknown but likely it will be better than the authoritarian regime now in control. China has suffered enough blood bathes in the last 100 years to last into the next millenium.

That is why Chinese are unlikely to experiment with American style Revolution, Civil war or Russian style Yeltsin democracy.

Present Chinese leadership does its job very well.

18 posted on 02/17/2005 6:14:40 AM PST by A. Pole (Hush Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: Brian Allen
Never forgetting that 40% of their income derives from the counterfeit production of other peoples' intellectual property and of the conspicuous "brand named" goods...

Ten years ago, I was convinced that this would happen. However, I foolishly assumed that it would US companies which would be producing all of these goods for the Chinese to consume. I did not see how ingenuous the Chinese would be in stealing US products in one way or another or how gutless US companies would be in letting them do so.
19 posted on 02/17/2005 7:41:33 AM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: A. Pole

You have a problem with U.S. steel mills selling their product at higher prices? Since when?


20 posted on 02/17/2005 7:44:07 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Iwo Jima

<< I did not see how ingenuous the Chinese would be in stealing US products in one way or another or how gutless US companies would be in letting them do so. >>

Ingenious?

Nah -- they're not that smart -- try "unscrupulous" and "amoral." [Thieving, lying, looting gangster bastards]

And the US companies [And at least one administration] they're up against are not just gutless, as you've astutely observed -- but gaumless too.

Thicker, for the most part, than two planks!


21 posted on 02/17/2005 8:08:12 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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22 posted on 02/17/2005 8:34:01 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: nickcarraway

Is the UN going to go after them now and tell them they are using all the planets resources and that they have to lower their expectations, or is it only America the UN hates?


23 posted on 02/17/2005 9:01:04 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: nickcarraway
Normal BBC hyperbole.

"China's factories and homes burned 40% more coal than in the US "

With over FOUR times the population of the US, it's normal for Chinese to burn more coal in their houses than the US, unless Chinese are freezing to death, which they are obviously not.
Plus of course unlike China, most American homes don't use coal for heating at home.
The real surprise is that Chinese are using only 40% more coal than Americans.

"he number of PCs in China is doubling every 28 months"

Annual sales of PC's in the US are still over 3 times that in China, and still growing.
Plus of course most US homes already have at least one PC, if not more, while very few Chinese homes have any PC at all.
24 posted on 02/17/2005 9:23:35 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: All

Haad my eye on China since 1970.
It's jsut a few cities like Hong Kong,Shenzhen & Shanghai that are carrying the load.
There are still about 900,000 million Chinese that live in villages living the simple life of outdoor living.
I see China evolving ino a Socialist-Captialist government not unlike that of Canada.
Or maybe they drift torwards the India formula.


25 posted on 02/17/2005 9:43:19 AM PST by hubno (hub)
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To: CasearianDaoist
By PPP China's GDP is 6.5 trillion, making them number 2. A dollar spent on weapons in China goes a lot farther than the same dollar spent here, so PPP is much more accurate for measuring military potential.
26 posted on 02/17/2005 5:50:04 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (Oderint dum metuant)
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