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Bush: We will support Israel if her security is threatened by Iran
Jerusalem Post ^ | Feb. 17, 2005

Posted on 02/17/2005 9:59:20 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot

President George W. Bush on Thursday addressed the issue of Iran's possible nuclear armament, declining to offer his full endorsement of Europe's negotiations to get Iran to halt its suspected nuclear weapons program.

He said the United States and Europe share the goal that Iran must not develop a nuclear weapon. Still, he left it up in the air whether he fully supports Europe's approach.

"I look forward to ... discussing strategies, ways forward with the Europeans to make sure we continue to speak with one voice, and that is Iran should not have a nuclear weapon and how to work together to make sure they don't," Bush said.

Asked if was concerned that Israel might attack Iran to prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon, Bush said Israel is concerned about Iran's intentions.

"But clearly, if I was the leader of Israel and I'd listened to some of the statements by the Iranian ayatollahs that regarded the security of my country, I'd be concerned about Iran having a nuclear weapon as well," Bush said.

He said Israel "is our ally and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel, we will support Israel if her security is threatened."

Bush spoke at a news conference where he announced that John Negroponte, the US ambassador to Iraq, would be the first US director of national intelligence, the powerful overseer of all 15 intelligence agencies.

In addition, Bush said Syria was "out of step" with other nations in the Middle East and said the United States would work with other countries to pressure Damascus to remove its troops from Lebanon.

Bush said he did not know if Syria was involved in the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri.

"I can't tell you yet," Bush said. "I don't know that. I'm going to withhold judgment until we know what the facts are."

Bush said he would consult with allies about Syria when he visits Europe next week, and said the United States supports an international investigation of Hariri's assassination.

The United States has withdrawn its ambassador to Syria, Margaret Scobey, and that "indicates that the relationship is not moving forward," the president said. He said Syria was "out of step with the progress being made in the greater Middle East."

The United States expected Syria to find and turn over former supporters of Saddam Hussein's regime and send them back to Iraq and stop supporting terrorism, Bush said. He said Syria also must comply with UN resolutions calling for it to withdraw from Lebanon. Syria has 15,000 troops in Lebanon.

Looking ahead to his European trip, Bush said he knows that some allies think that his only concern is national security, and he said that national security is at the top of his agenda.

Yet, he said, "We also care about hunger and disease. We care about the climate."

Many allies are upset with the United States for refusing to approve the Kyoto climate treaty.

"They thought the treaty made sense," Bush said. "I didn't." He noted that the Senate had voted 95-0 against the treaty. Yet, Bush said there were other ways to deal with the problem of global warming and that he would talk with allies about new technologies to deal with the issue.


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KEYWORDS: allies; allyisrael; bush43; europe; iran; israel; proisrael; usa
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

It seems the swirling is spinning fast in the final cycle.


101 posted on 02/18/2005 12:23:54 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Lijahsbubbe
A finishing "Rinse Cycle" might just be needed to clean everything up.

Shabbat Shalom !

:)
102 posted on 02/18/2005 12:30:55 AM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: kingsurfer
Britain, France and Israel are female but what is America?
Is it referred to as her or his?

"We" or "our"

And "her" sometimes as well.

From the song God Bless America:

God Bless America,
Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies

Methinks you're looking for something that is not there.

103 posted on 02/18/2005 2:23:02 AM PST by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

As far as I'm concerned, Iran's nuclear facilities should be hit. I support the bombing of Iraq's Osirak reactor and I'm all for Iran taking the hit for their nuclear endeavors.


104 posted on 02/18/2005 3:37:22 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Please leave a message after the burp....)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
With your permission, my new tagline:

If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel.

105 posted on 02/18/2005 4:09:03 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: My2Cents; IAF ThunderPilot

My2Cents wrote:

"I think the reason tiny little Israel is the object of so much hatred in the world, has had to defend itself so many times from annihiliation, is spiritual in nature. The forces of darkness, the forces of the demonic, have always targeted Israel. The fact that Israel has miraculously survived each attack also has a spiritual factor behind it. That's what I think...But that's just me...and the Bible."

You hit the proverbial nail on the head; you're exactly right!


106 posted on 02/18/2005 4:23:43 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: My2Cents; IAF ThunderPilot

:) Oh yeah!!!!!!!!


107 posted on 02/18/2005 4:27:00 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Bella_Bru; IAF ThunderPilot
"I gotta thank you. When I was in Israel, I felt an incredible sense of security, and pride."

I felt the same way when I visited Israel in 1986. All the IDF soldiers we encountered were great, very friendly and very interested in the USA. Every one of them told us how much they appreciated visitors from the US; that it meant a lot to them.
108 posted on 02/18/2005 4:32:39 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: TheBrotherhood
Hopefully America stays out of it and not send our boys and girls to fight an endless war that is not in the interest of the United States.

You have little understanding of what US interests are it appears.

109 posted on 02/18/2005 5:25:12 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Blogs have a strangle hold on the MSM. The MSM is kicking out the windshield.)
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To: TheBrotherhood

Israel is our ally and deserving of our support. Should she be threatened by Iran, we WILL support her, despite anyone's fear of endless war.

Would you propose we leave Israel to defend herself against a nuclear armed Iran? That seems shortsighted to me, and makes the term "allies" meaningless.


110 posted on 02/18/2005 5:30:24 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

LOL! We can cut Diebold in on it too.


111 posted on 02/18/2005 5:49:37 AM PST by tarzantheapeman (DUmmies - always worth a laugh (as long as they stay in their cage))
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Asked if was concerned that Israel might attack Iran to prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon, Bush said Israel is concerned about Iran's intentions.

"But clearly, if I was the leader of Israel and I'd listened to some of the statements by the Iranian ayatollahs that regarded the security of my country, I'd be concerned about Iran having a nuclear weapon as well," Bush said.

He said Israel "is our ally and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel, we will support Israel if her security is threatened."

Bush spoke at a news conference where he announced that John Negroponte, the US ambassador to Iraq, would be the first US director of national intelligence, the powerful overseer of all 15 intelligence agencies.

Crystal clear and not at all the statement that John Kerry would have made ...

112 posted on 02/18/2005 5:58:08 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
(Gen 12:1 KJV) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will show thee:

(Gen 12:2 KJV) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

(Gen 12:3 KJV) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

113 posted on 02/18/2005 6:06:14 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Actually, remember that Russia was filling planes with troops, so, we did too.

we ALMOST got involved on your side! :)

But you guys did make a lot of Marines angry in Beirut, we wanted to help you, but we had orders, professional soldiers should have behaved better.


114 posted on 02/18/2005 6:08:35 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Finally...

Some of us never doubted.

115 posted on 02/18/2005 6:28:56 AM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: jla

It's a joke.


116 posted on 02/18/2005 6:30:01 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: jla

It's a joke.


117 posted on 02/18/2005 6:30:05 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
He said Israel "is our ally and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel, we will support Israel if her security is threatened."

I hope this is the green light for Israel to take out Iran's nuclear facility. That would be the best thing for all of us.

118 posted on 02/18/2005 6:44:51 AM PST by NRA2BFree (NO AMNESTY, NO UN, NO PC, NO BS, NO MSM, NO WHINY @SS LIBERAL BEDWETTERS, NO LIBERAL JUDGES! YEAH!)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

CAn't remember the name of it but Ollie North's book is all about that response. It is quite a terrifying scenario, for example looking at $30.00 per gallon of gas at your local gas stations...

UH, hello libs!!! This wake you up at all?? Ooops, sorry "wall" didn't mean to wake you up by talking to you...


119 posted on 02/18/2005 6:48:31 AM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: My2Cents

because there isnt an Iranian plane with a Chinaman's chance in hades of getting through Iraqi airspace (currently patrolled by the US) or Israeli airspace on their eastern front to drop a bomb on anything significant, thats how....


120 posted on 02/18/2005 7:58:40 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Ohio State: The 2005 NCAA Football champions....assuming they arent on probation!!!!!)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
I believe that Israel will and should do whatever is necessary (including incinerating a sizable part of Iran's population) to protect itself. Our country was a hair trigger away from doing the same thing to the Soviet Union for more than forty years.

One irony of all this is that there isn't any real basis for bad relations between the Iranian people and Israel and that, before he was eased out with Jimmy Carter's help, the Shah and his country were in a de facto alliance with the Jewish state.

This irrational death wish (and if they do anything along the lines of what is being threatened, they and a few million of their people will die) just confirms that the Mullahs are clinically insane. For their own survival, the Iranian people must rise up.

121 posted on 02/18/2005 8:31:00 AM PST by katana
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To: My2Cents

Bush would have to issue a statement directly or through back channels that a nuke dropped on Israel is an act of war with the use of WMD and America would have no choice but to respond in kind.


122 posted on 02/18/2005 8:49:15 AM PST by misterrob
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To: MikeinIraq

Are you familiar with the concept of a medium range missile? And the news isn't so hot on missle defense testing the past six months.


123 posted on 02/18/2005 9:22:48 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: Rutles4Ever

yes I am familiar, but if you look at his post, he said drop. Missiles dont normally drop things unless they are tomahawks, which the Iranians certainly DON'T have....

I seriously doubt it will get to that point....


124 posted on 02/18/2005 9:54:45 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Ohio State: The 2005 NCAA Football champions....assuming they arent on probation!!!!!)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
"The new F-15Is and F-16Is are equipped with special Israeli made fuel tanks so those jets are capable reaching targets as far as Afganisthan, without refuling. Iran is within range. "

The F-15Is may be using the 'FAST packs':

Boeing (McDonnell Douglas) F-15C Eagle

The F-15C was the next major single-seat version of the Eagle. Externally, it was virtually identical to the F-15A which preceded it, but internally there were a number of significant differences that made it a much more capable fighter aircraft.

The only external difference between the F-15A and the F-15C was the introduction on the F-15C of the capability of carrying FAST (Fuel And Sensor Tactical) packs attached to the side of the fuselage outside of each air intake. The tanks conform to the aerodynamic shape of the side of the fuselage, and when they are installed, there is very little adverse aerodynamic effect and very little degradation in performance. When the FAST packs are removed, the F-15C is externally indistinguishable from the F-15A, and the two variants can be distinguished only by a knowledge of their serial numbers. However, on the F-15C, the FAST packs are only very rarely actually taken off the aircraft. The FAST packs are now referred to as Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs).

Each FAST pack can carry an additional 849 US gallon of fuel. Alternatively, sensors such as reconnaissance cameras, infrared equipment, radar warning receivers and jammers, laser designation, and low-light TV cameras can be carried in place of some of the fuel in these packs. The FAST packs were first tested on an F-15B on July 27, 1974. They can be installed or removed in 15 minutes on the ground.

-end snip-

http://www.airtoaircombat.com/detail.asp?id=11

125 posted on 02/18/2005 12:36:56 PM PST by demlosers
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To: massgopguy
Zalts em in der oygen, zol en krenken.

"Throw salt in their eyes and make them sick."

That's what I say to Iran.

Works for me.

126 posted on 02/18/2005 12:39:22 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Bella_Bru
The IDF soldiers were always so sweet to our tour group, especially the bubbes that kept mentioning their granddaughters at home and wouldn't it be nice for them to meet.

My son has to beat 'em off with a stick. Only he doesn't. ;)

127 posted on 02/18/2005 12:43:07 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Wow! When/if the 's' hits the fan, we are going to have a lot of people to fight all at once: Iran over nukes, N. Korea over nukes, China over Taiwan, and Syria over Israel/Iraqi security...I wonder if we can fit in knocking off Fidel and Hugo down south, too.
128 posted on 02/18/2005 12:47:13 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

USA and Israel Vs the new "Axis of Evil" Iran and Syria.

Nice!


129 posted on 02/18/2005 1:59:58 PM PST by Mixer
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To: TheBrotherhood
Moreover, if israel attacks iran or syria, I see no winner in the short term, only a perpetual war for decades to come.

Nope, I see Isaiah 15-19, a war that is described as "in the evening there is trouble, in the morning it is over" and again as "Damascus is a ruinious heap".

A one day war.

130 posted on 02/18/2005 2:02:48 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: jla
What we, and Israel, need to be focused on is defeating a nuclear attack.

That would be called in english, a pre-emptive strike before Iran completes its bomb in 6 months.

131 posted on 02/18/2005 2:04:13 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
Do you think peace is possible between the people of Persia and the people of the Holy Land ?

I do not think there is a problem with the people of Persia at all, it is with the People of Arabia that invaded and enslaved the people of Persia long ago.

132 posted on 02/18/2005 2:05:24 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

Now you're talking sensibly.


133 posted on 02/18/2005 2:07:28 PM PST by jla
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To: jla
Now you're talking sensibly.

I slip up and do that once and a while. I think it is going to be one heck of a summer this year.

134 posted on 02/18/2005 2:12:06 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: joedelta

"And I hope one of those nukes is aimed at Mecca. Then, "TROP" would have no holy place due to their "peace""

Is this the famous "Lunatic Fringe" of FreeRepublic?
I have a difficult time with the pictures and talk of nuclear explosions on this site.

War especially nuclear war is hell. Mankind must see to it that nuclear weapons are never again used. Never!!!

Nothing personal.
Pray for Peace.


135 posted on 02/18/2005 2:15:50 PM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Androcles

Likely as not they'll need teams on the ground
doing the demolition. Unless a tactical nuke is
used, I do not think an airstrike with Israels
available planes will accomplish a whole lot
(other than oil and stock price jitters).

The true and lasting solution is deposing the
mullah-ocracy and instituting a representative
democracy in Teheran.


136 posted on 02/18/2005 2:31:01 PM PST by rahbert
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To: Ramcat
I have a difficult time with the pictures and talk of nuclear explosions on this site.

I have a difficult time with the beheading videos and talk of jihad on other sites.

137 posted on 02/18/2005 2:40:01 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: My2Cents; IAF ThunderPilot

Dittos. IAF Thunder Pilot, I'm concerned about what options Israel will have if they give up any more territory. I heard if Israel retreats to pre-'67 borders, then there is no way to conventionally defend themselves. is this true?


138 posted on 02/18/2005 4:59:30 PM PST by Lysshua (may God bless and keep you)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
It wouldn't hurt if Israel took out that Iranian nuke reactor.

If necessary our govenment could wag a finger and say "tsk-tsk".

And the world would be a durn sight safer.

139 posted on 02/18/2005 5:03:23 PM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: Ramcat
Is this the famous "Lunatic Fringe" of FreeRepublic?

First, you left out half the conversation. But, hey, that's a weenie's perogative, to leave out facts that don't fit your notions.

I have a difficult time with the pictures and talk of nuclear explosions on this site.

Then, you have 2 options. Get over it, or don't.

War especially nuclear war is hell.

Man, that's deep. No, really. But, open your pie hole if you really want to get into the psychology of war.

Mankind must see to it that nuclear weapons are never again used. Never!!!

I disagree. I think that low yield nukes have a very special place in the arsenal. But, then you obviously think all problems can be solved with both sides sitting down and talking.

Dude, believe it or not, there are bad people in the world. These bad people don't care about your words. They think your use of words instead of action makes you weak. They also want you very dead.

Most of the people who serve(ed) in the Armed Forces don't want to go to war. Why? You get shot at, and that's not healthy. However, those same folk realized that there are bad people who want us dead. So, they serve, training to fight so that others don't have to.

When those brave people go out, I want them to have every weapon they possibly can. I want them to have guns to kill the bad guys. I want them to have tanks to kill the bad guys tanks. I want them to have nukes to kill the bad guys C3 (Command, Control, Communications) nodes that are berried deep in bunkers or in mountain caves. I want them to have all of these things so as many of our boys come home as possible and as many bad guys are sent straight to hell as possible.

Nothing personal.

Whatever.

Pray for Peace.

I do. But, as Vegetis said, "Those who long for peace must prepare for war."

140 posted on 02/18/2005 6:44:22 PM PST by joedelta (Those who long for peace must prepare for war)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Iran has been proposing a nuclear-free Middle East. Guess who is opposed to that!


141 posted on 02/18/2005 8:56:55 PM PST by SausageDog
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To: RaceBannon

"(Gen 12:3 KJV) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

Obviously you have gotten the modern State of Israel confused with the Israel of the Old Testament. The Israel of the Old Testament no longer exists. The Israel of the New Testament is the Church.


142 posted on 02/18/2005 9:07:25 PM PST by SausageDog
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To: SausageDog

ZOT!


143 posted on 02/18/2005 11:52:41 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

It appears as though Iran already threatens Israel's security
How long do you wait before you strike...

Syria is another major problem and we ought to be helping out the Lebs shake that rat off their necks...

imo


144 posted on 02/19/2005 5:10:02 AM PST by joesnuffy (If GW had been driving....Mary Jo would still be with us...)
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To: joedelta
"Pray for Peace."

"I do. But, as Vegetis said, "Those who long for peace must prepare for war.""

As long as you are praying there is hope.

I agree with Vegetis (don't have a clue who Vegetis is?)we must prepare for war. I think if we are vigilant preparing for war we don't need a nuclear war.

And I don't remember calling anybody names in my post but you can call me shallow if you like.

Peace.
145 posted on 02/19/2005 5:33:19 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

In the parlance of diplomatic speak, this is the equivalent of reaching for the hook on the attack dog's collar.


146 posted on 02/19/2005 5:40:24 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: My2Cents

Israel has made it quite clear to her neighbours Mecca, Medina, and the Aswan dam are legitimate targets of retaliation.


147 posted on 02/19/2005 5:43:52 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: SausageDog; Yehuda; SJackson

The Bible says no such thing.

In fact, the Bible clearly confirms the "Old State Israel" is the apple of God's eye.

First, the NATION of Israel, Israel as a clearly defined peole, will never be stopped::

(Jer 31:35 KJV) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

(Jer 31:36 KJV) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.



That is crystal, that is why we have the clear knowlege of a Jewish people and always have had a knowlege of a Jewish peple, yet where are the Phoenicians? Where are the Edomites or Amalekites?

They are nowhere, because they are not God's chosen people.

Paul himself tells us that God still considers Israel His chosen people::

(Rom 11:1 KJV) I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

(Rom 11:2 KJV) God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

(Rom 11:3 KJV) Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

(Rom 11:4 KJV) But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

(Rom 11:5 KJV) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

(Rom 11:6 KJV) And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

(Rom 11:7 KJV) What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

(Rom 11:8 KJV) (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

(Rom 11:9 KJV) And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them:

(Rom 11:10 KJV) Let their eyes be darkened that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

(Rom 11:11 KJV) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

(Rom 11:12 KJV) Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

(Rom 11:13 KJV) For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

(Rom 11:14 KJV) If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

(Rom 11:15 KJV) For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

(Rom 11:16 KJV) For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

(Rom 11:17 KJV) And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

(Rom 11:18 KJV) Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

(Rom 11:19 KJV) Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

(Rom 11:20 KJV) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

(Rom 11:21 KJV) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

(Rom 11:22 KJV) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

(Rom 11:23 KJV) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

(Rom 11:24 KJV) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

(Rom 11:25 KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

(Rom 11:26 KJV) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

(Rom 11:27 KJV) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

It is clear, God is not done with Israel, and the Church is NOT Israael.

People who start telling others that the Church is a "New Israel" are unintentionally allowing or even creating a new Anti-Semitism.


148 posted on 02/19/2005 5:48:56 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Bush: We will support Israel if her security is threatened by Iran

And what about Taiwan, Mr. President?

149 posted on 02/19/2005 5:56:08 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal Today)
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To: kingsurfer
Britain, France and Israel are female but what is America? Is it referred to as her or his?


It's common for nations to be referred to as feminine in gender, even the good ol' U.S. of A.


150 posted on 02/19/2005 8:16:28 AM PST by rdb3 (The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
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