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Bush: We will support Israel if her security is threatened by Iran
Jerusalem Post ^ | Feb. 17, 2005

Posted on 02/17/2005 9:59:20 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot

President George W. Bush on Thursday addressed the issue of Iran's possible nuclear armament, declining to offer his full endorsement of Europe's negotiations to get Iran to halt its suspected nuclear weapons program.

He said the United States and Europe share the goal that Iran must not develop a nuclear weapon. Still, he left it up in the air whether he fully supports Europe's approach.

"I look forward to ... discussing strategies, ways forward with the Europeans to make sure we continue to speak with one voice, and that is Iran should not have a nuclear weapon and how to work together to make sure they don't," Bush said.

Asked if was concerned that Israel might attack Iran to prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon, Bush said Israel is concerned about Iran's intentions.

"But clearly, if I was the leader of Israel and I'd listened to some of the statements by the Iranian ayatollahs that regarded the security of my country, I'd be concerned about Iran having a nuclear weapon as well," Bush said.

He said Israel "is our ally and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel, we will support Israel if her security is threatened."

Bush spoke at a news conference where he announced that John Negroponte, the US ambassador to Iraq, would be the first US director of national intelligence, the powerful overseer of all 15 intelligence agencies.

In addition, Bush said Syria was "out of step" with other nations in the Middle East and said the United States would work with other countries to pressure Damascus to remove its troops from Lebanon.

Bush said he did not know if Syria was involved in the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri.

"I can't tell you yet," Bush said. "I don't know that. I'm going to withhold judgment until we know what the facts are."

Bush said he would consult with allies about Syria when he visits Europe next week, and said the United States supports an international investigation of Hariri's assassination.

The United States has withdrawn its ambassador to Syria, Margaret Scobey, and that "indicates that the relationship is not moving forward," the president said. He said Syria was "out of step with the progress being made in the greater Middle East."

The United States expected Syria to find and turn over former supporters of Saddam Hussein's regime and send them back to Iraq and stop supporting terrorism, Bush said. He said Syria also must comply with UN resolutions calling for it to withdraw from Lebanon. Syria has 15,000 troops in Lebanon.

Looking ahead to his European trip, Bush said he knows that some allies think that his only concern is national security, and he said that national security is at the top of his agenda.

Yet, he said, "We also care about hunger and disease. We care about the climate."

Many allies are upset with the United States for refusing to approve the Kyoto climate treaty.

"They thought the treaty made sense," Bush said. "I didn't." He noted that the Senate had voted 95-0 against the treaty. Yet, Bush said there were other ways to deal with the problem of global warming and that he would talk with allies about new technologies to deal with the issue.


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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I'd agree witth that. I think the best Israeli demonstration of that in action was the Cherbourg operation....


51 posted on 02/17/2005 1:18:43 PM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: My2Cents

"It's about time we acknowledged Israel as a full partner with the US in the war on terror."

And its too bad that it still hasn't happened because of the Euro-Arabo positions, despite of the fact that Israel has 30 years of expirience in dealing with modern terrorism.

Israel would have helped you much more in 1991 and 2003 than France or ROFL- Saudi Arabia.


52 posted on 02/17/2005 1:20:35 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Yeah, something like this:


53 posted on 02/17/2005 1:23:48 PM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: My2Cents
It seems as though Bush is saying to Israel, "If ya need a pair of brass balls, here...borrow mine."

With your permission, I'd like this to be my new tagline.

54 posted on 02/17/2005 1:28:10 PM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Listen Mrs, I dont know how much you know about the current palestinian "intifada", but you probably have no idea about how many attacks the IDF prevented, how many terrorists were targeted by the Israeli Air Force and the Israeli Special Forces and how many Israeli lives were saved.

>>> As it happens, I am.

Since September 2000, more than 1000 Israelis were murdered in the Palestinian terror attacks, yet about 10,000 were saved thanks to the IDF and the policy of the Israeli government, led by PM Ariel Sharon.

>>> That's what I rail against, Israel's tolerance policy of allowing X number of Jews to be slaughtered every year. Insane. It is safer to be in the IDF than a citizen! Insane!!!

If you have a better and realistic suggestion on how to fight terrorism, you are welcome to send e-mail to the Knesset/ Ariel Sharon etc. Or perhaps you should just become the new Israeli Defense Minister.

>>>I do. Kill the terrorists. Stand up. Fight. Quit sitting back and taking it from the genocidal monsters. No negotiations. No land. No guns. No prisoners. No dialog. No appeasement. Kill them. Kill them. Kill them.

To be honest, I dont think that there is any other nation in the world that had to fight so many times for its right to exist and for teh freedom of its poeple since World War-II.
the IDF is preforming operations day and night in the purpuse of maintaining the life normal in Israel through "visiting" the palestinian territories and "visiting" outside of Israel, in the Wild Middle East, every day and every hour.

>>> Visit more. Much more. Visit until *they* visit no more.

So please, before you launch your oral attacks, perhaps you should join an elite IDF unit and join to their missions.

>>> I am quite familiar with their current rules of engagement and would never go into combat as long as those rules applied.


Free Republic is such an interesting forum:

On one hand, I need to confront anti-Israeli posts claiming Israel is murdering innocent palestinians, and on the other hand, I need to confront anti-Israeli posts claiming Israel is not doing enough for its security.

Thank GOD that 95% of Freepers are pro-Israel


55 posted on 02/17/2005 1:29:06 PM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: KimmyJaye

And a strong commitment to our friends!


56 posted on 02/17/2005 1:38:53 PM PST by stopem (Support the troops yellow ribbon purse-key-holders.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel.

Love it!

Us paratroopers used to say, "We have been doing so much with so little for so long that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."

57 posted on 02/17/2005 1:44:14 PM PST by joedelta (Those who long for peace must prepare for war)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Now Bush is off to Europe in order to make nice with Chirac et al?

Ha, man that is some bold Diplo-speak.

Our French "Allies" and others are probably furious already.


58 posted on 02/17/2005 1:47:31 PM PST by Radix (This country needs a seriously good buggy whip government subsidy program.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
"We will be defended against Iran doing it to us- sorry Israel."

No.....

More like Double OH Israel....

59 posted on 02/17/2005 1:49:46 PM PST by Radix (This country needs a seriously good buggy whip government subsidy program.)
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To: sarah_f

"As it happens, I am."

-As I see, no you are not.

"That's what I rail against, Israel's tolerance policy of allowing X number of Jews to be slaughtered every year. Insane. It is safer to be in the IDF than a citizen! Insane!!!"

-No one gives any x number of Jews to be slaughtered. Its impossible to stop and catch all the terrorists.
You should know (although its easier for you not to) that from 2004 and until now, 95% of the attacks against Israelis were prevented.
Its safer to be in the IDF than a citizen? Have you been to Israel lately? or ever? Probably not.

"I do. Kill the terrorists. Stand up. Fight. Quit sitting back and taking it from the genocidal monsters. No negotiations. No land. No guns. No prisoners. No dialog. No appeasement. Kill them. Kill them. Kill them."

-Tell me, what do you think the IDF is doing with the terrorists when it finds them? Playing cards with them?

When the intelligence passes an information about the location of a terrorist, the IDF elite forces are on the way (or the IAF). The goal is to catch them alive, but if its impossible then to kill them.

Now, perhaps you don't know, but even the well expirienced Israeli intelligence can't find all the terrorists.
It finds 95% of them- higher than any other intelligence force in the world.
When a terrorist is not found and he manages to enter Israel then you see on CNN the latest report on a bombing in Israel.

Yet, the CNN never shows the 95% attacks that are prevented, neither any other media source- because they don't know about it (and don't care).

Perhaps you think that the IDF deliberately doesn't stop terrorists when it knows about their location.
In such case I must say that you must be sick.

"Visit more. Much more. Visit until *they* visit no more."

-There is a "visit" anytime and anyplace its needed- when there is an intelligence report. Your conspiracy theory is probably your belief at this story as well.

"I am quite familiar with their current rules of engagement and would never go into combat as long as those rules applied."

-From our nice conversation I understand that you know nothing about the elite forces of the IDF.
Thats OK- I can promise you that I know maybe 10% of their "rules" and methods of work, while you know about 0.0001%.

In a conclusion:

Free Republic is such an interesting forum:

On one hand, I need to confront anti-Israeli posts claiming Israel is murdering innocent palestinians, and on the other hand, I need to confront anti-Israeli posts claiming Israel is not doing enough for its security.

Thank GOD that 95% of Freepers are pro-Israel


60 posted on 02/17/2005 1:50:31 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: joedelta

Thats a good sentence as well!


61 posted on 02/17/2005 1:57:45 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot; HipShot

hello IAF....good to see you again.

Have you read this yet?


Excerpt from Porter Goss's testimony before Congress, February 16, 2005:

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Begin Excerpt:

IRAN

In early February, the spokesman of Iran's Supreme Council for National Security publicly announced that Iran would never scrap its nuclear program. This came in the midst of negotiations with EU-3 members (Britain, Germany and France) seeking objective guarantees from Tehran that it will not use nuclear technology for nuclear weapons.

Previous comments by Iranian officials, including Iran's Supreme Leader and its Foreign Minister, indicated that Iran would not give up its ability to enrich uranium. Certainly they can use it to produce fuel for power reactors. We are more concerned about the dual-use nature of the technology that could also be used to achieve a nuclear weapon.

In parallel, Iran continues its pursuit of long-range ballistic missiles, such as an improved version of its 1,300 km range Shahab-3 MRBM, to add to the hundreds of short-range SCUD missiles it already has.

Even since 9/11, Tehran continues to support terrorist groups in the region, such as Hizballah, and could encourage increased attacks in Israel and the Palestinian Territories to derail progress toward peace.

Iran reportedly is supporting some anti-Coalition activities in Iraq and seeking to influence the future character of the Iraqi state.

Conservatives are likely to consolidate their power in Iran's June 2005 presidential elections, further marginalizing the reform movement last year.

Iran continues to retain in secret important members of Al-Qai'ida-the Management Council--causing further uncertainty about Iran's commitment to bring them to justice

End Excerpt

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Iran is a common enemy of the United States and Israel. I could think of no better friend than Israel to team up with to face these maniacs. I would be willing to bet it will happen sooner than later, because we both face the exact same threat.


62 posted on 02/17/2005 2:06:59 PM PST by judicial meanz
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To: sarah_f

>>>I do. Kill the terrorists. Stand up. Fight. Quit sitting back and taking it from the genocidal monsters. No negotiations. No land. No guns. No prisoners. No dialog. No appeasement. Kill them. Kill them. Kill them.

I'm for putting her in charge. ;7)


63 posted on 02/17/2005 2:13:38 PM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: TapTheSource

Ping.

Conjecture on my part:
Get Syria out of Lebanon, and take care of the leadership and nuke problem in Iran. Thus, the "Palestinians" who might soon have their "Palestine" (the nation being one neighborhood) and aren't about to quit being terrorists, will be more isolated, national, and finally, forced to take responsibility.

Or will it be on to the next terrorist supporting nation again?


64 posted on 02/17/2005 2:19:59 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel.

Man, I'm laminating that for my wallet!

65 posted on 02/17/2005 2:23:33 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: RockinRight

You may have it. :-)


66 posted on 02/17/2005 2:25:07 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: Incorrigible
Damnit, I had a dog like that, it would eat a whole chicken feathers and all. I think a bullet finally ended it's run on the chickens.
67 posted on 02/17/2005 2:25:52 PM PST by Recon by Fire
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Yes, there is much division propaganda ("divide and conquer") from terrorists being disseminated in Israel and in outside geographical areas like the USA right now. That propaganda has intensified as outside support for Hamas and Hezbollah is about to be destroyed (Iran, Syria, and support from their alliances). Enemies of Israel see that propaganda, cheer for the lack of cohesiveness, and seek to destroy while it's happening. At the same time, I sympathize very much for the seemingly endless suffering and patience required on the part of Israel for such a move. Energy should be diverted to informing the "Palestinians" about their own internal strife over the obvious plan. And yes, it might not work. Most military plans change, because no one can predict the future. ...only make the best educated guess and try to do it.
68 posted on 02/17/2005 2:28:40 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
I think the reason tiny little Israel is the object of so much hatred in the world, has had to defend itself so many times from annihiliation, is spiritual in nature. The forces of darkness, the forces of the demonic, have always targeted Israel. The fact that Israel has miraculously survived each attack also has a spiritual factor behind it.

That's what I think...But that's just me...and the Bible.

69 posted on 02/17/2005 2:29:34 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
I only hope that your government will show more concern for your country's security than for getting a few more bucks from Washington. Because something tells me that the two are not going to be compatible in the near future.
70 posted on 02/17/2005 2:56:55 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Thought you would like this if you hadn't seen it before.

This is what needs to happen again.

71 posted on 02/17/2005 3:08:34 PM PST by CharlieOK1 (Pray every day for a ROE reversal!)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Israel's right to defend herself is nonnegotiable. Do what you have too!
72 posted on 02/17/2005 3:35:30 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: My2Cents

"It's not important what the world thinks, but what the Jews do"
-- Ben Gourion


73 posted on 02/17/2005 3:40:38 PM PST by Marguerite
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To: Convert from ECUSA; IAF ThunderPilot

74 posted on 02/17/2005 6:12:23 PM PST by My2Cents (Fringe poster since 1998.)
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To: anonymoussierra

G-D bless israel
i,we stand with you for ever.
i will fight hand to hand for israel.
my country deams me to old. BAH
i am one old grisled bast*rd and can fight and die
with OUR, or your best.


75 posted on 02/17/2005 6:42:09 PM PST by 537cant be wrong (no kittie! thats my pot pie!)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Would an army camped on the US border shelling American towns be called a "security threat" by Bush? What does he call Hizbullah, a "Police force"?!

I think the guy is obviously speaking in politic-eze, because reality does not seem to apply here.

76 posted on 02/17/2005 9:58:30 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: joedelta
And I hope one of those nukes is aimed at Mecca. Then, "TROP" would have no holy place due to their "peace"

No it just means that all Muslims will go to hell from now on. Not a real change of the situation on the ground at all.

77 posted on 02/17/2005 10:01:08 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
They dont hold a hair to our boys (SEALs, Ranger, Green Berets).

Yawn...

78 posted on 02/17/2005 10:01:51 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
He said Israel "is our ally and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel, we will support Israel if her security is threatened."

Good job, Mr. President.
79 posted on 02/17/2005 10:05:12 PM PST by F15Eagle
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To: American in Israel

You have a point


80 posted on 02/17/2005 10:06:46 PM PST by joedelta (Those who long for peace must prepare for war)
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To: Allosaurs_r_us
What are we going to do, wait until Iran drops the big one? 24 hours of selective targeting should just about take care of these arrogant idiots.

Kinda bad timing right now with Iraq still sorta a mess, although its getting better with each day. We also have to be careful that we dont turn the Iranian people onto the side of the mullahs or rather their fellow country men. One off target missle could change the (young) peoples opinions about us.

81 posted on 02/17/2005 10:10:45 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: F15Eagle

82 posted on 02/17/2005 10:14:15 PM PST by jinkagrl ("I am shocked! ... Sort of." ~Rumsfeld)
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To: My2Cents
I wonder if the Iranian mullahs even care about the potential loss life among their people? I'd like to see some surgical strikes to take down the government, all military installations, and all "holy sites." What's scary is that one of their key leaders is publicly on record saying that the minute they have an operational nuke, it will be dropped on Israel.

Wow, your post just brought to my mind the plot of Tom Clancy's "Sum of All Fears" and "Executive Orders". It plays out very much as you have suggested (the Iranian mullah, responding with a surgical strike). They didn't use the nuke on Israel in the book though, they used it on us. Hopefully Clancy isn't as prophetic in this case as he was as about the 9-11 style scenario.
83 posted on 02/17/2005 10:29:02 PM PST by Ex-Dem (This tagline has been defaced.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Yes,, Israel kicked butt in the 6 day war.
GOD BLESS ISRAEL AND JERUSALEM.
84 posted on 02/17/2005 10:33:02 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

They ( EU ) thought the ( Kyoto ) treaty made sense , but, president Bush thought it didn't.
Yes, the reason the ( EU ) thought that the Kyoto treaty made sense, is because, it would have made the USA weaker economically, and were trying so hard to push this treaty to make the USA weak.


85 posted on 02/17/2005 10:39:01 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: sarah_f

So true.

Moreover, if israel attacks iran or syria, I see no winner in the short term, only a perpetual war for decades to come.

Hopefully America stays out of it and not send our boys and girls to fight an endless war that is not in the interest of the United States.


86 posted on 02/17/2005 10:46:21 PM PST by TheBrotherhood ("cupido capere et videri gravis" or somesuch.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
BINGO!!!!!! We have a winner!

EXACTLY!

87 posted on 02/17/2005 11:06:49 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Israel recently purchased hundreds of JDAM's and Bunker Buster Bombs from the United States. They didn't purchase them to pick off suicide bombers now did they :-)


88 posted on 02/17/2005 11:09:33 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert."

Words to live by. Thanks.

89 posted on 02/17/2005 11:28:35 PM PST by JennysCool (I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the barn and do nothing. -Johnny Carson)
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To: RockinRight

You are a very ignorant person if you propose this kind of action.
What we, and Israel, need to be focused on is defeating a nuclear attack.

90 posted on 02/17/2005 11:31:21 PM PST by jla
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To: Alouette
Give the go-ahead to Israel to take out their nuke facilities before they deliver a payload

And all along I was under the assumption that Israel was an independent country(?)

91 posted on 02/17/2005 11:34:59 PM PST by jla
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Do you think peace is possible between the people of Persia and the people of the Holy Land ?


92 posted on 02/17/2005 11:51:28 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I gotta thank you. When I was in Israel, I felt an incredible sense of security, and pride. The IDF soldiers were always so sweet to our tour group, especially the bubbes that kept mentioning their granddaughters at home and wouldn't it be nice for them to meet. ;-)


93 posted on 02/17/2005 11:57:57 PM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Psst...I'll let you in on a little secret. I have very good Jewish and Persian contacts.

Anyone looking for guidance or mediation out there ?
The Lands of Persia and Israel are very beautiful.
94 posted on 02/17/2005 11:58:22 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I hear that Iran is six mos. away from building a nuclear weapon. We are living in crazy times. But as you say, there is nothing new under the sun.


95 posted on 02/17/2005 11:59:14 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thats what it says alright ..I have a feeling this may be the BIG one coming ..Just a feeling ....


96 posted on 02/17/2005 11:59:20 PM PST by hineybona
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Interesting man Mr.Ben Gurion.

He wasn't Moshiach however.


97 posted on 02/17/2005 11:59:36 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
All of the pieces of the divine jigsaw puzzle are falling into place.

The geometries of consciousness that are swirling through the zeitgeist are becoming more and more Messianic by the hour.

The prophets were right !

98 posted on 02/18/2005 12:02:41 AM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: TheBrotherhood
Hopefully America stays out of it and not send our boys and girls to fight an endless war that is not in the interest of the United States.

Surely, (yes I'm calling you Shirley) you cannot believe that this is not in our interest. This is in the whole world's interest!

99 posted on 02/18/2005 12:02:43 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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