Skip to comments.Bush: We will support Israel if her security is threatened by Iran
Posted on 02/17/2005 9:59:20 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot
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It seems the swirling is spinning fast in the final cycle.
"We" or "our"
And "her" sometimes as well.
From the song God Bless America:
God Bless America,
Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies
Methinks you're looking for something that is not there.
As far as I'm concerned, Iran's nuclear facilities should be hit. I support the bombing of Iraq's Osirak reactor and I'm all for Iran taking the hit for their nuclear endeavors.
If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel.
"I think the reason tiny little Israel is the object of so much hatred in the world, has had to defend itself so many times from annihiliation, is spiritual in nature. The forces of darkness, the forces of the demonic, have always targeted Israel. The fact that Israel has miraculously survived each attack also has a spiritual factor behind it. That's what I think...But that's just me...and the Bible."
You hit the proverbial nail on the head; you're exactly right!
:) Oh yeah!!!!!!!!
You have little understanding of what US interests are it appears.
Israel is our ally and deserving of our support. Should she be threatened by Iran, we WILL support her, despite anyone's fear of endless war.
Would you propose we leave Israel to defend herself against a nuclear armed Iran? That seems shortsighted to me, and makes the term "allies" meaningless.
LOL! We can cut Diebold in on it too.
Crystal clear and not at all the statement that John Kerry would have made ...
Actually, remember that Russia was filling planes with troops, so, we did too.
we ALMOST got involved on your side! :)
But you guys did make a lot of Marines angry in Beirut, we wanted to help you, but we had orders, professional soldiers should have behaved better.
Some of us never doubted.
It's a joke.
It's a joke.
I hope this is the green light for Israel to take out Iran's nuclear facility. That would be the best thing for all of us.
CAn't remember the name of it but Ollie North's book is all about that response. It is quite a terrifying scenario, for example looking at $30.00 per gallon of gas at your local gas stations...
UH, hello libs!!! This wake you up at all?? Ooops, sorry "wall" didn't mean to wake you up by talking to you...
because there isnt an Iranian plane with a Chinaman's chance in hades of getting through Iraqi airspace (currently patrolled by the US) or Israeli airspace on their eastern front to drop a bomb on anything significant, thats how....
One irony of all this is that there isn't any real basis for bad relations between the Iranian people and Israel and that, before he was eased out with Jimmy Carter's help, the Shah and his country were in a de facto alliance with the Jewish state.
This irrational death wish (and if they do anything along the lines of what is being threatened, they and a few million of their people will die) just confirms that the Mullahs are clinically insane. For their own survival, the Iranian people must rise up.
Bush would have to issue a statement directly or through back channels that a nuke dropped on Israel is an act of war with the use of WMD and America would have no choice but to respond in kind.
Are you familiar with the concept of a medium range missile? And the news isn't so hot on missle defense testing the past six months.
yes I am familiar, but if you look at his post, he said drop. Missiles dont normally drop things unless they are tomahawks, which the Iranians certainly DON'T have....
I seriously doubt it will get to that point....
The F-15Is may be using the 'FAST packs':
Boeing (McDonnell Douglas) F-15C Eagle
The F-15C was the next major single-seat version of the Eagle. Externally, it was virtually identical to the F-15A which preceded it, but internally there were a number of significant differences that made it a much more capable fighter aircraft.
The only external difference between the F-15A and the F-15C was the introduction on the F-15C of the capability of carrying FAST (Fuel And Sensor Tactical) packs attached to the side of the fuselage outside of each air intake. The tanks conform to the aerodynamic shape of the side of the fuselage, and when they are installed, there is very little adverse aerodynamic effect and very little degradation in performance. When the FAST packs are removed, the F-15C is externally indistinguishable from the F-15A, and the two variants can be distinguished only by a knowledge of their serial numbers. However, on the F-15C, the FAST packs are only very rarely actually taken off the aircraft. The FAST packs are now referred to as Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs).
Each FAST pack can carry an additional 849 US gallon of fuel. Alternatively, sensors such as reconnaissance cameras, infrared equipment, radar warning receivers and jammers, laser designation, and low-light TV cameras can be carried in place of some of the fuel in these packs. The FAST packs were first tested on an F-15B on July 27, 1974. They can be installed or removed in 15 minutes on the ground.
"Throw salt in their eyes and make them sick."
That's what I say to Iran.
Works for me.
My son has to beat 'em off with a stick. Only he doesn't. ;)
USA and Israel Vs the new "Axis of Evil" Iran and Syria.
Nope, I see Isaiah 15-19, a war that is described as "in the evening there is trouble, in the morning it is over" and again as "Damascus is a ruinious heap".
A one day war.
That would be called in english, a pre-emptive strike before Iran completes its bomb in 6 months.
I do not think there is a problem with the people of Persia at all, it is with the People of Arabia that invaded and enslaved the people of Persia long ago.
Now you're talking sensibly.
I slip up and do that once and a while. I think it is going to be one heck of a summer this year.
"And I hope one of those nukes is aimed at Mecca. Then, "TROP" would have no holy place due to their "peace""
Is this the famous "Lunatic Fringe" of FreeRepublic?
I have a difficult time with the pictures and talk of nuclear explosions on this site.
War especially nuclear war is hell. Mankind must see to it that nuclear weapons are never again used. Never!!!
Pray for Peace.
Likely as not they'll need teams on the ground
doing the demolition. Unless a tactical nuke is
used, I do not think an airstrike with Israels
available planes will accomplish a whole lot
(other than oil and stock price jitters).
The true and lasting solution is deposing the
mullah-ocracy and instituting a representative
democracy in Teheran.
I have a difficult time with the beheading videos and talk of jihad on other sites.
Dittos. IAF Thunder Pilot, I'm concerned about what options Israel will have if they give up any more territory. I heard if Israel retreats to pre-'67 borders, then there is no way to conventionally defend themselves. is this true?
If necessary our govenment could wag a finger and say "tsk-tsk".
And the world would be a durn sight safer.
First, you left out half the conversation. But, hey, that's a weenie's perogative, to leave out facts that don't fit your notions.
I have a difficult time with the pictures and talk of nuclear explosions on this site.
Then, you have 2 options. Get over it, or don't.
War especially nuclear war is hell.
Man, that's deep. No, really. But, open your pie hole if you really want to get into the psychology of war.
Mankind must see to it that nuclear weapons are never again used. Never!!!
I disagree. I think that low yield nukes have a very special place in the arsenal. But, then you obviously think all problems can be solved with both sides sitting down and talking.
Dude, believe it or not, there are bad people in the world. These bad people don't care about your words. They think your use of words instead of action makes you weak. They also want you very dead.
Most of the people who serve(ed) in the Armed Forces don't want to go to war. Why? You get shot at, and that's not healthy. However, those same folk realized that there are bad people who want us dead. So, they serve, training to fight so that others don't have to.
When those brave people go out, I want them to have every weapon they possibly can. I want them to have guns to kill the bad guys. I want them to have tanks to kill the bad guys tanks. I want them to have nukes to kill the bad guys C3 (Command, Control, Communications) nodes that are berried deep in bunkers or in mountain caves. I want them to have all of these things so as many of our boys come home as possible and as many bad guys are sent straight to hell as possible.
Pray for Peace.
I do. But, as Vegetis said, "Those who long for peace must prepare for war."
Iran has been proposing a nuclear-free Middle East. Guess who is opposed to that!
"(Gen 12:3 KJV) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."
Obviously you have gotten the modern State of Israel confused with the Israel of the Old Testament. The Israel of the Old Testament no longer exists. The Israel of the New Testament is the Church.
It appears as though Iran already threatens Israel's security
How long do you wait before you strike...
Syria is another major problem and we ought to be helping out the Lebs shake that rat off their necks...
In the parlance of diplomatic speak, this is the equivalent of reaching for the hook on the attack dog's collar.
Israel has made it quite clear to her neighbours Mecca, Medina, and the Aswan dam are legitimate targets of retaliation.
The Bible says no such thing.
In fact, the Bible clearly confirms the "Old State Israel" is the apple of God's eye.
First, the NATION of Israel, Israel as a clearly defined peole, will never be stopped::
(Jer 31:35 KJV) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
(Jer 31:36 KJV) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
That is crystal, that is why we have the clear knowlege of a Jewish people and always have had a knowlege of a Jewish peple, yet where are the Phoenicians? Where are the Edomites or Amalekites?
They are nowhere, because they are not God's chosen people.
Paul himself tells us that God still considers Israel His chosen people::
(Rom 11:1 KJV) I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
(Rom 11:2 KJV) God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
(Rom 11:3 KJV) Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
(Rom 11:4 KJV) But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
(Rom 11:5 KJV) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
(Rom 11:6 KJV) And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
(Rom 11:7 KJV) What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
(Rom 11:8 KJV) (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
(Rom 11:9 KJV) And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them:
(Rom 11:10 KJV) Let their eyes be darkened that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
(Rom 11:11 KJV) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
(Rom 11:12 KJV) Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
(Rom 11:13 KJV) For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
(Rom 11:14 KJV) If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
(Rom 11:15 KJV) For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
(Rom 11:16 KJV) For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
(Rom 11:17 KJV) And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
(Rom 11:18 KJV) Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
(Rom 11:19 KJV) Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
(Rom 11:20 KJV) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
(Rom 11:21 KJV) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
(Rom 11:22 KJV) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
(Rom 11:23 KJV) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
(Rom 11:24 KJV) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
(Rom 11:25 KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
(Rom 11:26 KJV) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
(Rom 11:27 KJV) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
It is clear, God is not done with Israel, and the Church is NOT Israael.
People who start telling others that the Church is a "New Israel" are unintentionally allowing or even creating a new Anti-Semitism.
And what about Taiwan, Mr. President?
It's common for nations to be referred to as feminine in gender, even the good ol' U.S. of A.
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