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To: RaceBannon

"It is a well known doctrine of the British Israelism in some Calvinist churches that since Israel is NOT relevant to the Bible anymore than God's promises to bless those who will bless Israel is invalid today, and that Israel means THE CHURCH."

What I am talking about has nothing to do with "British Israel."

I showed what the Bible says on that, your task is to show me where God's promises to Israel are ENDED and that God replaced Israel with the Church."

Mt. 21:33-43. There was landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it, and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect the fruit.
The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. Last of all, he sent his son to them. "They will respect my son," he said.

But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, "This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and take his inheritance." So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?

"He will bring those wretches to a wretched end," they replied, "and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give his his share of the crop at harvest time."

Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures, 'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?

"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit."

174 posted on 02/20/2005 11:33:21 AM PST by SausageDog
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To: SausageDog

Ahh, however, that does not remove the landowners love for his people.

In fact, there are several other parables like that, like this one:

(Mat 21:33 KJV) Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

(Mat 21:34 KJV) And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

(Mat 21:35 KJV) And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

(Mat 21:36 KJV) Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

(Mat 21:37 KJV) But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

(Mat 21:38 KJV) But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

(Mat 21:39 KJV) And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

(Mat 21:40 KJV) When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

So, the question is, does this apply to Israel alone or to the world?

And the answer is, to the WORLD, not just to Israel.

The book of revelation confirms that 5/6 of the Jewish population will die in the tribulation, yet what we believers often forget to tell our Jewish friends who ask: 99.999999% of the rest of the world dies, and Israel is the only one left.

Where does Jesus return? Not to Rome, not to Dallas, and certainly not to Constantinople or Manila or Toronto, but to...JERUSALEM

AND, who are the 144,000 of Rev? They are JEWS, and each tribe is mentioned, and clearly 12,000 of each tribe is mentioned, and not in parable or metaphor.

That can only be true if God's plan for ISRAEL is being fulfilled at that time.

If God is through with Israel, then you are calling God a liar when He says this::

(Jer 31:31 KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

(Jer 31:32 KJV) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

(Jer 31:33 KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

(Jer 31:34 KJV) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

(Jer 31:35 KJV) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

(Jer 31:36 KJV) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

(Jer 31:37 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

(Jer 31:38 KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the city shall be built to the LORD from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.

(Jer 31:39 KJV) And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath.

(Jer 31:40 KJV) And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.

There has NEVER been a covenant with ANYONE in the Church like the covanent mentioned in that last section, those covenants are only mentioned to Israel!

Christianity has NO HOME, no CENTER, no PLACE OF WORSHIP where God said we should meet or where He would meet us, but the Jews do have such a place: JERUSALEM!

Christians are NEVER told to gather in worship in one particular city for any reason for the purpose of meeting with God in the times after the book of Acts, and they were sent OUT from Jerusalem to evangelize the world!

Jews, spreading the good news of the Messiah to the WORLD!

But, the book of revelation CLEARLY says a NEW JERUSALEM will come down...and Jerusalem was NEVER a place of worship for the Christian, only to the Jews.

THAT alone confirms that the Jews are then, are now, the chosen people of our God and Saviour.

176 posted on 02/20/2005 11:49:30 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: SausageDog

Once again.,He was speaking to the leadership! The first 'Christians' were ALL Jewish.

206 posted on 02/21/2005 11:55:30 PM PST by Lysshua (And it is in this way that all Israel will be saved. Romans 11:25, 26)
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