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Endangered Status Sought for Polar Bears
LA Times ^ | 2/17/05 | Miguel Bustillo

Posted on 02/17/2005 10:59:20 AM PST by NormsRevenge

The polar bear, an icon of the great white north, is in peril, its icy home melting beneath its paws, an environmental group argued Wednesday in formally petitioning the Bush administration to grant the animals protection under the Endangered Species Act.

The Center for Biological Diversity, which made the plea on the day the Kyoto Protocol to address global warming went into effect without the United States, said it did not believe the Bush administration would agree with its 154-page argument.

But by drawing attention to the condition of polar bears, it hoped to expand public awareness of the potentially calamitous consequences of climate change, which include rising sea levels because of melting ice caps and changing weather patterns around the globe. If the plea to list the bears as threatened under the act is rejected by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the group vows, it will take its case to court.

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"The potential listing of the polar bear as an endangered species because of the effects of global warming should set off alarm bells around the world," said Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.), who with Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has reintroduced legislation to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Rep. Richard W. Pombo (R-Tracy), chairman of the House Resources Committee and a leading proponent of drilling in ANWR as well as rewriting the Endangered Species Act, demurred.

"Given the rising number of polar bears in the Arctic, this appears to be a public relations and fundraising stunt," Pombo said. "There is certainly no credible reason to list them under the ESA."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: animalrights; arctic; bears; climatechange; endangered; esa; fundraising; kyoto; polar; polarbears; pombo; sought; status; stunt

1 posted on 02/17/2005 10:59:21 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Polar Bears!!!! Ya gotta luv 'em...taste like chicken.


2 posted on 02/17/2005 11:05:04 AM PST by Lekker 1 ("Airplanes are interesting toys, but of no military value"-Ferdinand Foch, French War College, 1911)
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To: Lekker 1

I wonder if our "polar bear clubs" in Wisconsin qualify?


3 posted on 02/17/2005 11:06:14 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Activists clad in polar bear outfits hold a banner in the Ginza shopping district of Tokyo to celebrate the Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites).(AFP/Toru Yamanaka)


4 posted on 02/17/2005 11:08:06 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Greenpeace activists dressed up as polar bears, a species directly threatened by rising temperatures, demonstrate on Parliament Hill as they call on the federal government to do more in reaching its commitments of the Kyoto Accord, in Ottawa, February 16, 2005. The Kyoto global warming pact was ratified by 140 nations and obliges Canada to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 6 percent from 1990 levels by 2012. REUTERS/Jim Young


5 posted on 02/17/2005 11:09:21 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I know this thread is about polar bears---but since it was brought up in the article, I want to mention what I heard on Rush yesterday, that floored me--

Already, the RINOs in congress are disgracing the Rep. party re: ANWAR---I heard that the proposal to start drilling in ANWR, which I believe that Bush campaigned on, has ALREADY been taken out of the Energy Bill because the dems have told the Reps that they won't pass the Energy bill if ANWR drilling is part of it---

In other words, the REPS are wimping out again and they haven't even gone to the public as far as I know, because I hadn't heard anyone mention it until yesterday---

I know this is off subject of thread, but I didn't know what thread to bring this up---


6 posted on 02/17/2005 11:10:47 AM PST by Txsleuth (o)
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To: NormsRevenge
If their habitat is shrinking due to warming, which I doubt, then the vest thing we could do for them is to have an open season to reduce their population to match their new territory.

BANG

So9

7 posted on 02/17/2005 11:11:35 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: NormsRevenge

Greenpeace activists dressed up as polar bears, a species directly threatened by rising temperatures, are seen through some flames as they demonstrate on Parliament Hill as they call on the federal government to do more in reaching its commitments of the Kyoto Accord, in Ottawa, February 16, 2005. The Kyoto global warming pact was ratified by 140 nations and obliges Canada to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 6 percent from 1990 levels by 2012. REUTERS/Jim Young


8 posted on 02/17/2005 11:11:48 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Well, looks like most of the polar bears have moved to that island on Lost...

And Sawyer knows how to treat those white woolies...

9 posted on 02/17/2005 11:15:35 AM PST by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: NormsRevenge

News Headline, AD 2029: Greenpeace activists, dressed up as Great White Tropical Bears, demonstrated to have the tropical animals placed on the endangered list as their habitat cools beneath their paws, even as governments from Indonesia to Brazil are contemplating open hunting season on the ubiquitous pests due to loss of livestock and pets.


10 posted on 02/17/2005 11:16:47 AM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Txsleuth

Energy policy,, we don't need no stinkin' energy policy..

We got all the hot air and gases we need in Congre$$. ;-)


11 posted on 02/17/2005 11:17:21 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Are polar bears not already a protected species?


12 posted on 02/17/2005 11:17:45 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The polar bear, an icon of the great white north, is in peril, its icy home melting beneath its paws,...

Bullcrap! If there were less ice "White Bear" would not have to travel as far to get a decent meal in winter.

13 posted on 02/17/2005 11:19:13 AM PST by eskimo
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh to be the inventor that could actually harness all of that hot air and actually be able to use it for something!


14 posted on 02/17/2005 11:21:06 AM PST by Txsleuth (Call be anything...just don't call me a fringe poster)
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To: RightWhale

There was a 1973 pact made by a few countries that limited the hunting of the polar bears... That info is in a chunk of the article I can't post.

They have informally had some protections in place for years. populations are on the increase, but is that gonna stop the GReenoids from milking it for money, most of which will be used for political activists causes and very little used to actually help polar bears or combat 'global warming"..


15 posted on 02/17/2005 11:22:14 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Given the rising number of polar bears in the Arctic, this appears to be a public relations and fundraising stunt," Pombo said. "There is certainly no credible reason to list them under the ESA."

It's definitely NOT a PR stunt.

That want President Bush to ban global warming.

Leiberman and McCstain are helping them push the wealth redistribution scheme that is Kyoto. Lieberman is a moron for having ASSumed polar bears are endangered and I'm going to throw that in his excommunicated face every chance I get.

16 posted on 02/17/2005 11:22:22 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: NormsRevenge
Well, if they keep this up, I'd say they're endangered.


17 posted on 02/17/2005 11:23:31 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

Shrinkage being not the least of the dangers.


18 posted on 02/17/2005 11:24:21 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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bump to follow later


19 posted on 02/17/2005 11:25:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: NormsRevenge

We need to invite all the activists to a nice discussion and be reasonable, agreeing to all their demands. Then offer them a nice sumptuous dinner of fried polar bear liver and onions before sending them home.


20 posted on 02/17/2005 11:27:35 AM PST by Vicomte13 (La nuit s'acheve!)
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To: Txsleuth

that's why the spot off of Cape Cod is so prime for a proposed windmills farm ..

the kennedy compound hot air output alone can light a city of 500,000 for pennies a day ...


21 posted on 02/17/2005 11:27:36 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

So if we ring Washington D.C. with these windmills, we prolly would be able to power the whole east coast!!!!


22 posted on 02/17/2005 11:30:20 AM PST by Txsleuth (Call be anything...just don't call me a fringe poster)
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To: NormsRevenge
To preserve the species a few hundred should be trapped and shipped to Antarctica.
But then to preserve the penguins a few thousand of them would have to be trapped and shipped to the Arctic.
23 posted on 02/17/2005 11:31:00 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.")
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To: Txsleuth

LOL.. You got it!


24 posted on 02/17/2005 11:35:03 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Txsleuth
I heard that the proposal to start drilling in ANWR, which I believe that Bush campaigned on, has ALREADY been taken out of the Energy Bill because the dems have told the Reps that they won't pass the Energy bill if ANWR drilling is part of it---

I wonder. It might be taken out of the Senate version, put in the House version, kept in committee, and then forced through the Senate. That's what they've tried previously, and were one or two votes short.

25 posted on 02/17/2005 11:48:25 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138346,00.html

Polar Bear Scare on Thin Ice
Friday, November 12, 2004
By Steven Milloy

"Global warming could cause polar bears to go extinct by the end of the century by eroding the sea ice that sustains them," is the dire warning contained in a new report from an international group of "researchers" called the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment.

I'm not quite sure what the future holds for polar bears, but it doesn't appear that any alleged manmade global warming has anything to do with it.

The report, entitled "Impacts of a Warming Arctic," pretty much debunks itself on page 23 in the graph labeled, "Observed Arctic Temperature, 1900 to Present."

[ http://amap.no/acia/ ]

The graph shows that Arctic temperatures fluctuate naturally in regular cycles that are roughly 40 years long. The Arctic seems currently to be undergoing a warming phase - similar to one experienced between 1920-1950 - which will likely be followed by a cooling phase - similar to the one experienced between 1950-1990. [GOP's note - he incorrectly swapped them ... but you get the point...]

The report's claim that increased manmade emissions of greenhouse gases are causing Arctic temperatures to rise is debunked by the same graph, which indicates that the near surface Arctic air temperature was higher around 1940 than now, despite all the greenhouse gas emissions since that time.

Also self-debunking is the report's statement, "Since the start of the industrial revolution, the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration has increased by about 35 percent and the global average temperature has risen by about 0.6 degrees Centigrade."

So despite all the greenhouse gases emitted by human activity over a period of 200 years - we're supposed to worry, and even panic, about a measly 0.6 degree Centrigrade rise in average global temperature during that time?

Even if such a slight temperature change could credibly be estimated, it would seem to be well within the natural variation in average global temperature, which in the case of the Arctic, for example, is a range of about 3 degrees Centigrade. Remember, global climate isn't static - it's always either cooling or warming.

Even though manmade greenhouse gas emissions and warmer temperatures don't seem to be a problem in the Arctic according to their own data, the researchers nevertheless blamed them for causing supposed 15 percent declines in both the average weight of adult polar bears and number of cubs born between 1981 and 1998 in the Hudson Bay region.

The 1999 study in the science journal Arctic that first reported apparent problems among the Hudson Bay polar bear population suggested that their condition may be related to the earlier seasonal break-up of sea ice on western Hudson Bay - a phenomenon that seems to correlate with the 1950-1990 Arctic warm-up. But, as mention previously, the 1950-1990 Arctic warming period seems to be part of a natural cycle and not due to manmade emissions of greenhouse gases.

Moreover, the notion of a declining polar bear population doesn?t square well available information.

A Canadian Press Newswire story earlier this year reported that, in three Arctic villages, polar bears "are so abundant there?s a public safety issue." The local polar bear population reportedly increased from about 2,100 in 1997 to as many as 2,600 in 2004. Inuit hunters wanted to be able to kill more bears because they are "fearsome predators."

An aerial survey of Alaskan polar bears published in "Arctic" (December 2003) reported a greater polar bear density than previous survey estimates dating back to 1987.

If polar bears really are getting skinnier as the 1999 study suggested, it may actually be due to an increased population subsisting on the same level of available food. After all, the harvesting of Alaskan polar bears has been limited by the Marine Mammal Protection Act (search) and international agreements since 1972.

The Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report has spurred a new round of calls for a clamp-down on carbon dioxide emissions. Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., told the Associated Press that the "dire consequences" of warming in the Arctic underscore the need for their proposal to require U.S. cuts in emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

Fortunately their call will likely get a chilly response from President Bush, who reiterated through a spokesman last weekend that he continues to oppose the international global warming treaty known as the Kyoto Protocol.

Steven Milloy is the publisher of JunkScience.com, an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and the author of "Junk Science Judo: Self-Defense Against Health Scares and Scams" (Cato Institute, 2001).


26 posted on 02/17/2005 11:58:43 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Vicomte13
We need to invite all the activists to a nice discussion and be reasonable, agreeing to all their demands. Then offer them a nice sumptuous dinner of fried polar bear liver and onions before sending them home.

Why punish the Polar Bears? If the greenies are afraid Polar Bears won't have enough to eat due to global warming, invite them to a Polar Bear dinner, as the main course.

27 posted on 02/17/2005 12:02:21 PM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Greenpeace activists dressed up as polar bears, a species directly threatened by rising temperatures, are seen through some flames as they demonstrate on Parliament Hill..."

Flames? OPEN, UNREGULATED COMBUSTION OF FISSILE CARBON-BASED MATERIAL?!?! They're breaking the Kyoto treaty! ARREST THEM!!

28 posted on 02/17/2005 12:11:27 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: cake_crumb

I thought that was an ironic touch too...

the fire warming the environment and their sorry arses..

marketing geniuses these folks are not... lol


29 posted on 02/17/2005 12:16:17 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

"The Center for Biological Diversity, which made the plea"

Just the name of this groups sends a chill through me. Are these the same people who came out to support the rights of gay penguins?

It'll be a great day when there is zoo where folks can safely view the last remnants of a nearly extinct species - homo leftist stupidus.


30 posted on 02/17/2005 12:26:48 PM PST by CATravelAgent (Morality, like art, begins with drawing a line.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Polar Bear Scare on Thin Ice
Friday, November 12, 2004
By Steven Milloy
“Global warming could cause polar bears to go extinct by the end of the century by eroding the sea ice that sustains them,” is the dire warning contained in a new report from an international group of "researchers" called the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment.

I’m not quite sure what the future holds for polar bears (search), but it doesn’t appear that any alleged manmade global warming has anything to do with it.

The report, entitled “Impacts of a Warming Arctic,” pretty much debunks itself on page 23 in the graph labeled, “Observed Arctic Temperature, 1900 to Present.”

The graph shows that Arctic temperatures fluctuate naturally in regular cycles that are roughly 40 years long. The Arctic seems currently to be undergoing a warming phase — similar to one experienced between 1920-1950 — which will likely be followed by a cooling phase — similar to the one experienced between 1950-1990.

The report’s claim that increased manmade emissions of greenhouse gases (search) are causing Arctic temperatures to rise is debunked by the same graph, which indicates that the near surface Arctic air temperature was higher around 1940 than now, despite all the greenhouse gas emissions since that time.

Also self-debunking is the report’s statement, “Since the start of the industrial revolution, the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration has increased by about 35 percent and the global average temperature has risen by about 0.6 degrees Centigrade.”


31 posted on 02/17/2005 12:39:55 PM PST by Soliton (Alone with everyone else.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Saved the pic for my collection


32 posted on 02/17/2005 12:40:43 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Modernman

Just polar bear livers. I figure one bear liver ought to do the trick.
Fry it up nice, with some onions, and give 'em all a great big portion.
Tell 'em its tofu.

After that, let's organize a state dinner for Castro, with more polar bear liver and onions...


33 posted on 02/17/2005 12:44:47 PM PST by Vicomte13 (La nuit s'acheve!)
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To: Modernman
>>We need to invite all the activists to a nice discussion and be reasonable, agreeing to all their demands. Then offer them a nice sumptuous dinner of fried polar bear liver and onions before sending them home.<<

Why punish the Polar Bears? If the greenies are afraid Polar Bears won't have enough to eat due to global warming, invite them to a Polar Bear dinner, as the main course.

He was recommending serving them liver because Polar Bear liver is toxic to humans. Too much vitamin A.

34 posted on 02/17/2005 12:45:22 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: NormsRevenge

Let feed some activists to the bears. Let them get up close and personal.


35 posted on 02/17/2005 1:38:16 PM PST by Clock King
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