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Anthropologist resigns in 'dating disaster'
Worlnetdaily ^ | February 19, 2005 | unattributed

Posted on 02/19/2005 7:36:30 AM PST by Woodworker

Panel says professor of human origins made up data, plagiarized works

A flamboyant anthropology professor, whose work had been cited as evidence Neanderthal man once lived in Northern Europe, has resigned after a German university panel ruled he fabricated data and plagiarized the works of his colleagues. Reiner Protsch von Zieten, a Frankfurt university panel ruled, lied about the age of human skulls, dating them tens of thousands of years old, even though they were much younger, reports Deutsche Welle. "The commission finds that Prof. Protsch has forged and manipulated scientific facts over the past 30 years," the university said of the widely recognized expert in carbon data in a prepared statement.

Protsch's work first came under suspicion last year during a routine investigation of German prehistoric remains by two other anthropologists. "We had decided to subject many of these finds to modern techniques to check their authenticity so we sent them to Oxford [University] for testing," one of the researchers told The Sunday Telegraph. "It was a routine examination and in no way an attempt to discredit Prof. von Zieten." In their report, they called Protsch's 30 years of work a "dating disaster."

Among their findings was an age of only 3,300 years for the female "Bischof-Speyer" skeleton, found with unusually good teeth in Northern Germany, that Protsch dated to 21,300 years. Another dating error was identified for a skull found near Paderborn, Germany, that Protsch dated at 27,400 years old. It was believed to be the oldest human remain found in the region until the Oxford investigations indicated it belonged to an elderly man who died in 1750. The Herne anthropological museum, which owned the Paderborn skull, did its own tests following the unsettling results. "We had the skull cut open and it still smelt," said the museum's director. "We are naturally very disappointed."

Protsch, known for his love of Cuban cigars and Porsches, did not comment on the commission's findings, but in January he told the Frankfurter Neue Presse, "This was a court of inquisition. They don't have a single piece of hard evidence against me." The fallout from Protsch's false dating of northern European bone finds is only beginning.

Chris Stringer, a Stone Age specialist and head of human origins at London's Natural History Museum, said: "What was considered a major piece of evidence showing that the Neanderthals once lived in northern Europe has fallen by the wayside. We are having to rewrite prehistory." "Anthropology now has to revise its picture of modern man between 40,000 and 10,000 B.C.," added Thomas Terberger, an archaeologist at the University of Greifswald. Frankfurt University's president, Rudolf Steinberg, apologized for the university's failure to curb Protsch's misconduct for decades. "A lot of people looked the other way," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Germany; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: academia; anthropology; archaeology; chrisstringer; crevolist; evolution; fraud; germany; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; reinerprotsch; resignation; rudolfsteinberg; science; thomasterberger; vonzieten
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1 posted on 02/19/2005 7:36:32 AM PST by Woodworker
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To: Woodworker

We've ALL had dating disasters...you just move on and hope you'll get lucky the next Friday night. Sheesh.


2 posted on 02/19/2005 7:39:31 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Woodworker
Hmmmm... Sounds like an excellent candidate for the Colorado University Ethnic Studies Department Chairmanship.
3 posted on 02/19/2005 7:40:25 AM PST by drt1
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To: Woodworker
Related to this thread?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1346673/posts

4 posted on 02/19/2005 7:41:10 AM PST by Egon (Government is a guard-dog to be fed, not a cow to be milked.)
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To: Woodworker
I am shocked and outraged to learn that a German professor has been forced to resign because of a dating disaster. Let's face it, we've all had our ups and downs when it comes to our social lives. To deprive someone of his livelihood simply because of a faux pas on a date is nothing short of . . .

What? It's not that kind of dating? It's dating the age of a human skull? Never mind.
5 posted on 02/19/2005 7:42:00 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Woodworker
Anthropologist resigns in 'dating disaster'

I had one of those last week.

Didn't quit my job over it.

6 posted on 02/19/2005 7:42:51 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Pharmboy

Get lucky next Friday night? Brilliant!


7 posted on 02/19/2005 7:42:53 AM PST by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: Woodworker

I think the dating disaaster related more to the cigar than the porsche. They usually dig the hot cars.


8 posted on 02/19/2005 7:45:05 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Woodworker
We are having to rewrite prehistory

Don't worry about it, Chris. Since historians are rewriting recent history and the news media's rewriting current events, why should you guys be left out?

9 posted on 02/19/2005 7:45:22 AM PST by Bob
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To: Woodworker; martin_fierro; Chad Fairbanks; mhking
"We had the skull cut open and it still smelt," said the museum's director. "We are naturally very disappointed."

Fish-in-skull ping.

10 posted on 02/19/2005 7:45:38 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Woodworker

11 posted on 02/19/2005 7:48:01 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Woodworker

Does anyone see a future where we could say "Professor Smith just pulled a 'von Zieten,'" in much the same way that people now use "Lewinsky" as a verb? ;)


12 posted on 02/19/2005 7:49:30 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: blam

This may affect some of your studies...


13 posted on 02/19/2005 7:50:26 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Woodworker

If you're going to date 20,000-year-old women, what do you expect?


14 posted on 02/19/2005 7:55:17 AM PST by ScottFromSpokane (http://drunkengop.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lazamataz; mikrofon

I hake to say it, but that pun leaves me cod.


15 posted on 02/19/2005 7:56:34 AM PST by martin_fierro (There's a plaice for everything)
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To: Woodworker

He may have lied and faked his way on invented data, but hey, at least he wasnt a Creationist.


16 posted on 02/19/2005 7:59:50 AM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: Woodworker

It's OK he'll get work with the environmental movement.


17 posted on 02/19/2005 8:00:39 AM PST by Mike Darancette (MESOCONS FOR RICE '08)
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To: lepton
"This may affect some of your studies..."

Thanks, probably not.

18 posted on 02/19/2005 8:03:09 AM PST by blam
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To: martin_fierro
I hake to say it, but that pun leaves me cod.

I've always said you were a little cod.

19 posted on 02/19/2005 8:04:11 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Pharmboy

Sure, we've all had our share of dating disasters, but I try to avoid dating women if the inside of their head is smelly... I hate cutting them open, and thinking "Ewww... Ripe..."


20 posted on 02/19/2005 8:09:09 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Celibacy is a hands-on job.)
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To: Woodworker
Among their findings was an age of only 3,300 years for the female "Bischof-Speyer" skeleton, found with unusually good teeth

The gold Mastercard in her purse tipped them off.

21 posted on 02/19/2005 8:09:23 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Woodworker

I thought this was going to be about another sex scandal.


22 posted on 02/19/2005 8:09:27 AM PST by Savage Beast (My parents, grandparents, and great grandparents were Democrats. My children are Republicans.)
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To: Bob
LOL. 'His story' is flexible when in the hands of some isn't it.
23 posted on 02/19/2005 8:09:48 AM PST by drt1
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To: Lazamataz
Fish heads, fish heads, roly poly fish heads
24 posted on 02/19/2005 8:12:33 AM PST by martin_fierro (There's a plaice for everything)
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To: martin_fierro
Among their findings was an age of only 3,300 years for the female "Bischof-Speyer" skeleton, found with unusually good teeth in Northern Germany, that Protsch dated

Some people rob the cradle for love, apparently this guy robs the grave. At least he has standards re: dental hygiene...

25 posted on 02/19/2005 8:15:33 AM PST by mikrofon ("Ich bin ein Boneliar")
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To: Egon
I was wondering what the inspiration for the Scrappleface article was. This must be it.
26 posted on 02/19/2005 8:19:09 AM PST by stayathomemom
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To: Woodworker

Fortunately, this guy will be abble to find a teaching/research position at the same American university that employs Ward Churchill. In fact, it sounds like he would raise the level of integrity at that school.


27 posted on 02/19/2005 8:25:17 AM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Would Harm America!")
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To: martin_fierro
Oh great.

Now this thing will be playing on my computer 24/7 for the rest of my life.

28 posted on 02/19/2005 8:26:54 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Lazamataz

He who smelt it...dealt it.


29 posted on 02/19/2005 8:28:36 AM PST by Vaquero
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To: JFK_Lib
He may have lied and faked his way on invented data, but hey, at least he wasnt a Creationist.

Are you sure about that? He misidentified modern humans as Neandertals. That's classic creationist.

30 posted on 02/19/2005 8:36:19 AM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Woodworker

More here, including photo of the lovely Reiner:

http://www.deutsche-welle.net/dw/article/0,1564,1493421,00.html

NOTE! Links at the bottom of the page to articles about other German science scandals.


31 posted on 02/19/2005 8:41:20 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (How do you spell dynasty? P-A-T-R-I-O-T-S!)
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To: Woodworker

he should send his resume to cbs.


32 posted on 02/19/2005 8:44:24 AM PST by isom35
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

"Does anyone see a future where we could say "Professor Smith just pulled a 'von Zieten?"


Could happen..."pulled a Protsch" has a nice ring to it, too (easy to remember 'cause it rhymes w/ crotch).


33 posted on 02/19/2005 9:11:56 AM PST by WestTexasWend
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To: PatrickHenry

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34 posted on 02/19/2005 9:15:30 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

This seems to be real. I've found a couple of other news stories about it. There's an earlier thread on this (by a couple of minutes), but it's already wucked up, and it has an odd title, so let's stick with this one.


35 posted on 02/19/2005 9:27:54 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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36 posted on 02/19/2005 9:29:38 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: King Prout
Here's another article with more info. The guy seems to be a total nutcase:
German scholar is exposed as fraud.

The creationoids will have a ball with this. They can add it to their tiny list of fraudulent finds, like Piltdown Man. But it should be noted that the frauds were exposed by scientists, not creationists (who deny the validity of the means used to test the fossils).

37 posted on 02/19/2005 9:34:06 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

well, one of the scientific method's true strengths is its innate tendency towards self-correction through constant re-evaluation.

but, yes, the uber-creationists will have a field day over this.

oh, well: even a stopped clock...


38 posted on 02/19/2005 9:37:20 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout
yes, the uber-creationists will have a field day over this.

At any moment now they'll be here, screaming that this "proves" the reality of Noah's Ark, the 6,000 year age of the universe, the collapse of everything we know about biology, etc.

39 posted on 02/19/2005 9:41:20 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Indeed. Science is self-correcting, and this man will be marginalized and discredited. If only other fields of endeavor had the same standards...

There have been one or two other high profile cases in recent years. There was a young physicist who was on the road to superstardom and got caught pretty quickly (he was German I think, working at Bell Labs), and a veteran Danish ecologist who worked on swallows (I'm not sure how his case turned out in the end). I heard also that that guy Lomborg, the author of that book The Skeptical Environmentalist, was having one or two problems in this area in his native Denmark.

40 posted on 02/19/2005 10:16:58 AM PST by Youngblood
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Another dating error was identified for a skull found near Paderborn, Germany, that Protsch dated at 27,400 years old. It was believed to be the oldest human remain found in the region until the Oxford investigations indicated it belonged to an elderly man who died in 1750.

Did you all catch that?

The skull is only 255 years old, yet it appeared to be a NEANDERTHAL Skull!!

Based upon appearance, it was CALLED NEANDERTHAL!!

This PROVES that evolution is wrong, for Neanderthals have been so called ancient human ancestors, not supposed to exist today, yet when we find a similar looking skull, we label it NEANDERTHAL...only the Skull is only 255 years old!!

Evolution is such a fun theory, you can think up anything from microbes on meteors to aliens with a mission to populate the planet, but if someone says, "In the beginning, God...

41 posted on 02/19/2005 10:31:03 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Actually, this does not Prove Noah's fllod, it only proves evolution is based upon fairy tales! :)


42 posted on 02/19/2005 10:32:13 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Actually, this does not Prove Noah's flood, it only proves evolution is based upon fairy tales! :)


43 posted on 02/19/2005 10:32:19 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: PatrickHenry
And they'll be telling us that this is further proof of the vast atheist conspiracy that is taking place in the darkened corridors and labs of biology departments. This is despite the fact that, once again, honest scientists going about their work, rechecking and testing, have had to question the work of a senior colleague.

Given the lag nature of the process, falsification can stand up in the short term, but it will be exposed, and the process will move on. That is one of the great strengths of science. Creationists, on the other hand, sheepishly advise that maybe (although feel free to continue to use them if you must), the Paluxy river tracks and the second law of thermodynamics "arguments" might not be very sound!

44 posted on 02/19/2005 10:32:26 AM PST by Youngblood
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 02/19/2005 10:33:09 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: RaceBannon
"NEANDERTHAL Skull!" Is that what encases the brains of people who voted for Algore & John F'ing Kerry?
46 posted on 02/19/2005 10:42:15 AM PST by Woodworker
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When I read "dating disaster" I thought of something like this.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

47 posted on 02/19/2005 10:51:14 AM PST by aculeus
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To: PatrickHenry

They only accept Carbon dating if it proves scientists wrong. Of course, creationists ignore the fact they don't do any science and could not find something wrong if their lives depended on it.

Yet, they know enough to know that all of biology is wrong.

It gives cognitive dissonance new frontiers.


48 posted on 02/19/2005 10:54:13 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: PatrickHenry
At any moment now they'll be here, screaming that this "proves" the reality of Noah's Ark, the 6,000 year age of the universe, the collapse of everything we know about biology, etc.

There are people who do not think evolution has advanced beyond the theory stage, because it hasn't, who do not subscribe to the young earth belief. Noah's ark may or may not be true, I don't know, do you?

What I do know is there are many holes in the theory of evolution and many, many fakes have been advanced as "proof" that evolution is fact not theory. The reason for the fakes is that hard proof is sorely lacking. This lack of proof is the only fact in the theory of evolution.

To lump all people who do not give credence to evolution as whacko nut jobs who lack education in science is just a little on the liberal side don't you think?

To cite just a few fakes that are proven and so well proven that I will not provide links, if you want to google them you can find them easily enough. 1.)Nebraska man. 2.)One of the best known, Piltdown man.3.) The dino to bird fakes, most notably that of Archaeoraptor liaoningensis, which was supposedly discovered in China and was printed up in National Geographic and later turned out to be a fake comprised of 88 different bones glued together. 4.) The well known horse chart showing the Hyrax as the first early horse, which turned out not to be a horse at all. The order of the horses shown in the chart was also fake. 5.) The fake chart and drawings showing the development of the fetus that supposedly cycled through all the stages of evolution. This was proven to be fake almost immediately but schools kept this chart in text books and taught it as fact for over 40 years.

All these and many more fakes have made many people sceptical about evolution. You don't have to be a creationists or beliver in ID to doubt evolution. I for one do not rule out a third possibility that will someday come to light. In the meantime I will adhere to my belief that evolution is just a theory because it has never been proven to be anything else. Anyone who thinks it is fact has simply not studied all the evidence with an open mind.

Let me reiterate. I am not religious, I do not believe in ID, but also I know evolution to not be proven. I doubt it ever will be. It requires just as much faith to believe in evolution as creationists need to believe in ID.

49 posted on 02/19/2005 11:01:07 AM PST by calex59
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To: PatrickHenry
The creationoids will have a ball with this.

Well of course they will! This is indisputable proof that the entire work "supporting" the so-called "theory" of evolution is all a lie; it's nothing but a sham aimed at destroying our faith in God and turning us into Nazis/Communists/heathens/barbarians/homosexuals.

Why look at the facts when you can point to one case of fraud?
50 posted on 02/19/2005 11:05:04 AM PST by Dimensio
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