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GE workers work for wind: Lynn plant will benefit from project off Cape Cod (Unions vs. Dems!)
The Boston Herald ^ | 2-19-2005 | Jay Fitzgerald

Posted on 02/19/2005 11:39:33 AM PST by DTogo

Blue-collar General Electric workers in Lynn have launched a campaign to support a planned Nantucket Sound wind farm project vehemently opposed by many of the rich and famous residents of Cape Cod and the islands.

Leaders of the IUE-CWA Local 201, which represents 2,500 workers at GE's Riverworks plant, are passing out petitions and meeting with lawmakers in an effort to promote wind energy and possibly create hundreds of manufacturing jobs in Lynn.

GE, via its wind-energy unit, is in line to land the more-than-$200 million contract to build the 130 giant wind turbines for the proposed project, spearheaded by Cape Wind Associates.

(Excerpt) Read more at business.bostonherald.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: capewind; kennedy; limousineliberal; wind; windenergy; windmill; windpower
It's a two-fer: Dems refusing to support environmentally clean energy and the Unions.
1 posted on 02/19/2005 11:39:35 AM PST by DTogo
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To: DTogo
Cafe Latte Liberals Vs The Blue Collar Hard Hats. Film at 11.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

2 posted on 02/19/2005 11:45:23 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: DTogo

LOL, the dems are an incredibly conflicted group. I thought wind techology would be something they'd support with a passion. Nope, even that has it's downside. NOMOF's on parade...

(not on my ocean front)


3 posted on 02/19/2005 11:45:45 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DTogo

Most reveling...It's ok and necessary everywhere else, but not in my backyard!-Democrats


4 posted on 02/19/2005 11:48:32 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: DTogo; DoughtyOne; goldstategop

Isn't this the project that John Kerry-Heinze opposed as a resident of Nantucket?


5 posted on 02/19/2005 11:49:19 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: DoughtyOne
And one of the NOMOF fellows is Trust Fund French Boy! (lauging)

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

6 posted on 02/19/2005 11:49:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Liberals are all environmentally conscientious - except when it comes to the riffraff. They don't want 'em around.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

7 posted on 02/19/2005 11:50:58 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Edgerunner
The Bike Path Left Is The Anti-Wind Farm Left. Yep, no irony there! ;-)

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

8 posted on 02/19/2005 11:52:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ClintonBeGone; All

Equally funny thread touching on the same subject of Kerry's NIMBY attitude when it comes to green energy:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1346756/posts?page=17#17


9 posted on 02/19/2005 12:08:19 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo

Well, if LOST (the UN Law Of the Sea Treaty) gets passed like George Bush, Dick Lugar and Condy Rice want, the parties involved will have to get permission from the UN to construct the maritime wind farm. And they'll probably have to pay taxes to the UN, too.


10 posted on 02/19/2005 1:21:20 PM PST by w6ai5q37b
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To: DTogo
The Dems/Libs support alternative energy for one reason, to forestall the acquisition of what really works - oil. They don't want us to drill for it or refine it simply because that handicaps the U.S. in world competition. This prevents the stark comparison of the minimal success of socialist countries to our great success. It also makes us dependent on other oil suppliers.

The libs don't want this stuff in their neighborhoods because they know the schemes are not feasible. Why spoil the view for something that doesn't work, unless it is someone else's view?
11 posted on 02/19/2005 3:23:24 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The libs don't want this stuff in their neighborhoods because they know the schemes are not feasible. Why spoil the view for something that doesn't work, unless it is someone else's view?

It does work, especially offshore where the wind is strong, constant and can be converted into competitively-priced energy. The only reason the Massachusetts limousine liberals don't want it near Nantucket is NIMBY-ism.

12 posted on 02/19/2005 3:42:17 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo
It does work,...

Perhaps I should have said, "Not economically feasible. There are many hitches and catches in getting electricity generated and distributed. From all I have read, that is not yet the case with (being economically feasible) wind or solar. Perhaps with a constant ocean breeze the chances are better but still not guaranteed.

13 posted on 02/19/2005 10:14:06 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Wind energy, both on-shore and offshore is very much economically feasible. While it's certainly not predictable or constant like a gas peaker or baseload coal/nuclear, generating electricity from wind and interconnecting it into the grid is becoming more and more commonplace. Initial capital costs of wind energy are higher than most forms of power generation (except solar and nuclear), but wind energy has no fuel to be purchased and delivered, and it has no waste to be disposed of or regulated. Check this out:
http://www.hornsrev.dk/Engelsk/default_ie.htm


14 posted on 02/19/2005 10:49:16 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo

Well, no waste except all those ground-up condors.


15 posted on 02/19/2005 10:52:54 PM PST by patton (Matthew 6:6)
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To: patton

Ground-up condors or asthmatic children (from fossil fuels). Pick your enviro-whacko poison! ;^)


16 posted on 02/19/2005 10:56:23 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo

Condors taste like chicken.


17 posted on 02/19/2005 10:59:30 PM PST by patton (Matthew 6:6)
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To: DTogo

Thanks for the information and the link.


18 posted on 02/20/2005 11:56:45 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: DTogo
With the Horns Rev project it will be possible to determine whether or not the Danish Government’s ambitious energy plan is feasible. According to the plan, wind turbines with a total capacity of 4000 MW must be established in Danish waters before 2030.

Sounds good on paper, as do most alternative energy plans, but the engineering and economic feasibility have yet to be proven. I hope it works.

19 posted on 02/20/2005 12:04:11 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
With the Horns Reef project already constructed and operating, the engineering has already been proven, and I'm sure the economics are as well. How much more shallow water space is available for future offshore windfarms remain to be seen - I assume they've already mapped the area and believe it's feasible.

Here in the U.S. the private sector drives the cost-effectiveness of renewable energy projects. The Section 45 productiontax credit is an available "subsidy" but projects still have to be developed, built, owned and operated by the private sector.

20 posted on 02/20/2005 12:16:24 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo
With the absence of fuel cost, such a system will obviously be feasible over the long haul, barring unusual maintenance costs. The "kinks" to be worked out will be the resistance of the usual suspects who want no progress in this country, who ironically are the same ones who pushed this concept to start with, and the vested interest in existing systems, including oil, natural gas, and coal companies as well as those who transport them.

I assume when the wind farms connect to the existing grid they are paid by the grid operator who then sells to the end user or to a final distribution organization of some sort. If so, it may take awhile for savings to trickle down.

In order to become the dominant technology, there will have to be enough of them to meet today's needs as well as have the ability to expand to meet future needs. I know you addressed that potential limitation, but it comes to mind that inland sources of supplies will have to supplement the offshore generation. I doubt solar will have the capacity so it is either oil/gas or nuclear, pronounced nuke-u-lar. :-)

That will put the left in a bind. Do they fight the emerging technology which they previously supported, or do they still fight the existing systems? Since they have had no problem with hypocrisy in the past I guess they will fight them all.
21 posted on 02/20/2005 12:46:25 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
In the US wind energy is purchased by the local/regional utility under a long-term contract, with or without an inflation adjuster. As such, unlike oil, gas, or coal, wind is not subject to price fluctuations or the cost of delivering fuel. Whether or not the utility passes along any savings of wind energy to consumers would be up the utility.

Wind is certainly not a baseload form of power generation, but it is a good alternative to supplement baseload power and/or allow for the retirement of older, less efficient and more polluting power plants. In fact, there are several old oil-fired power plants in New England that GreenPeace wants shut down, and the Cape Wind offshore wind farm could help supplement (replace?) the power these oil-fired plants currently generate.

But you're right, the Left will have to battle its own hypocrisy.

22 posted on 02/20/2005 1:01:40 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo

Thanks for putting things in perspective. Lots of good info.


23 posted on 02/20/2005 8:02:14 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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