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Socialism's Last Redoubt - Why do Dems oppose Social Security reform?
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| February 16, 2005
| PETE DU PONT
Posted on 02/19/2005 1:46:37 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
American socialist Noam Chomsky made the same argument concerning Social Security: that allowing people to invest in markets is a bad thing, for "putting people in charge of their own assets breaks down the solidarity that comes from doing something together, and diminishes the sense that people have responsibility for each other."Once again, Im at a loss for words to describe my contempt for those who think they can tell me what to with MY money..
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posted on
02/19/2005 1:49:46 PM PST
by
cardinal4
(George W Bush-Bringing a new democracy every term..)
To: cardinal4
There's only one way to do things. The way The Annointed want us to.
Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."
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posted on
02/19/2005 1:51:00 PM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: Tailgunner Joe
Or, more simply, when Democrats let people stand on their own two feet, Democrats then become extinct.
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posted on
02/19/2005 1:51:29 PM PST
by
Dustin Hawkins
(Friends Dont let Friends Date Democrats www.dustinmhawkins.com)
To: Tailgunner Joe
It's the largest program $ wise that they control. Money = power. Invest personally, their power is diminished.
Exposing the Left
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posted on
02/19/2005 1:54:27 PM PST
by
traderrob6
(http://www.exposingtheleft.blogspot.com)
To: Tailgunner Joe
Well, I'm still not convinced Republicans are interested in real solutions to SS and other forms of socialism.
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posted on
02/19/2005 1:54:44 PM PST
by
k2blader
(It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
To: Tailgunner Joe
The liberals think that it is better if all are equally miserable than unequally happy.
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posted on
02/19/2005 1:55:32 PM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
To: Tailgunner Joe
Socialism's Last Redoubt - Why do Dems oppose Social Security reform?What else will they scare the old folks with in national elections : Republicans will take away their viagra and dentures ?
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posted on
02/19/2005 1:58:19 PM PST
by
kingattax
To: goldstategop
I was arguing with a lefty at work, and I asked her to tell me whose money was in the Social Security account that pays the retirees and the diabled. She promptly replied, "the governments!"
They truly believe they are entitled to other people's money. But, then where does Harry Reid keep his money? Nancy Pelosi? Hillary Clinton? You can bet they have mutual funds, stocks, and other investments they think are too risky for us to invest on our own. They are smarter than us, you see, and know whats best for us..GRRRRRR
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posted on
02/19/2005 1:59:31 PM PST
by
cardinal4
(George W Bush-Bringing a new democracy every term..)
To: Tailgunner Joe
Because they'll no longer be able to tak your taxes and buy someone else's vote.
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posted on
02/19/2005 2:01:08 PM PST
by
Paleo Conservative
(Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
To: Dustin Hawkins
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posted on
02/19/2005 2:02:44 PM PST
by
SandRat
(Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
To: Tailgunner Joe
We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good Social democracy is a political ideology emerging in the late 19th and early 20th centuries from supporters of Marxism who believed that the transition to a socialist society could be achieved through democratic evolutionary rather than revolutionary means. During the early and mid-20th century, social democrats were in favor of stronger labor laws, nationalization of major industries, and a strong welfare state. Over the course of the 20th century, most social democrats gradually distanced themselves from Marxism and class struggle. As of 2004, social democrats generally do not see a conflict between a capitalist market economy and their definition of a socialist society, and support reforming capitalism in an attempt to make it more equitable through the creation and maintenance of a welfare state.
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posted on
02/19/2005 2:04:01 PM PST
by
oldbrowser
(They're not the MSM.........they are the AGENDA MEDIA)
To: Tailgunner Joe
Socialism's Last Redoubt - Why do Dems oppose Social Security reform? A better question is why do republicans support expanding social security (medicare) by giving "free" (socialism) drugs to seniors?
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posted on
02/19/2005 2:06:05 PM PST
by
NMC EXP
(Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
Hi, I am new here so I'll keep this short
My question to all democrats who don't want to do what Bush has suggested, but realize that something needs to be done about S.S. Whats your suggestion? What do you want to do about it?
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posted on
02/19/2005 2:10:49 PM PST
by
Veronica316
("Get busy livin or get busy diein")
To: cardinal4
...American socialist Noam Chomsky made the same argument concerning Social Security: that allowing people to invest in markets is a bad thing,...
Bad markets. BAD!!!
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posted on
02/19/2005 2:11:31 PM PST
by
planekT
To: Tailgunner Joe
American socialist Noam Chomsky made the same argument concerning Social Security: that allowing people to invest in markets is a bad thing, for "putting people in charge of their own assets breaks down the solidarity that comes from doing something together, and diminishes the sense that people have responsibility for each other." If Chomsky is like the other members of Cambridge's Academic Glitteratti,he lives on Brattle Sreet in Cambridge.A search of the City of Cambridge Property Assessor's Office http://www.cambridgema.gov/fiscalaffairs/PropertySearch.cfm (just type in "Brattle St" and leave the rest blank) will show you that the private residences on Brattle St closest to Harvard Sq (the "chic" portion)are all valued at at least 1 million dollars...and more than a few are valued at 5 to 7 million.
I think it would be reasonable to ask the "Professor" what his net worth is and what percentage of his income is taken by taxes.I'll wager that the answers are "many millions" and "about 12%" (same as Mother Teresa's).
In other words,he's another one who's oh-so-generous with other people's money.
To: Tailgunner Joe
Money remaining after payouts is spent.
All money diverted into private accounts comes off the top of the money available to spend.
That 4% of all receipts is a hard cash reduction in the amount of cash available to steal from you.
That is why the democrats oppose ss reform.
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posted on
02/19/2005 2:41:37 PM PST
by
Pylot
To: cardinal4
Whoso wants the "solidarity" and "responsibility for each other", should go straight into khmer Rouge communes, for there such a person ought to feel right at home. The whole Western Civ is grounded in individualism, i.e. repudiation of normative "solidarity" and "responsibility for each other".
In a sense, it is our slogan "Get lost!" versus theirs "Workers of the world, unite!"
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posted on
02/19/2005 2:47:12 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: Veronica316
My question to all democrats who don't want to do what Bush has suggested, but realize that something needs to be done about S.S. Whats your suggestion? What do you want to do about it?They dont have one. Like all other Bush proposals, the libs have a knee-jerk reaction against it, without even looking it over. Its automatic with them..
Oh, welcome to FR..
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posted on
02/19/2005 2:50:49 PM PST
by
cardinal4
(George W Bush-Bringing a new democracy every term..)
To: Tailgunner Joe
democrats m.o.- make as many people dependent on big govt. and you have more single issue voting blocs for the dems.
hence make ss a ponzi scheme that induces elderly to vote for the party of big govt.
virtually all big gov democrat programs create a single issue constituency to maintain the status quo
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posted on
02/19/2005 3:42:16 PM PST
by
avitot
(give a man one fish every day for life and you make them vote democrat)
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