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America's Most Dangerous Gang - MS13 - Violent, Vicious, and Spreading Fast.
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Posted on 02/20/2005 10:53:56 AM PST by Happy2BMe

America's Most Dangerous Gang
by Shelly Feuer Domash

Spreading from El Salvador to L.A. and across the United States, Mara Salvatrucha 13 is increasingly well organized and deadly.

Within one hour, two people were found murdered miles apart in suburban Nassau County, N.Y. After an intensive investigation, police officials learned the murders were the work of the violent street gang Mara Salvatrucha 13. It also soon became apparent the gang was sending a bold message to its members and associates. That message: “If you are not loyal, you are dead.”

But there was another message in the brutal slayings for the people of Long Island. And that message was that gang violence had moved into the upper middle class enclaves of the Island, into the kinds of communities where the locals assume that crime is somebody else’s problem.

Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) is unfortunately becoming everybody’s problem. This plague that came to Long Island from El Salvador by way of the streets of Los Angeles follows the same migratory patterns as the Salvadoran immigrant community that it preys upon, fanning out across the United States from ethnic enclaves in California.

Coming Together

Until recently, MS-13 wasn’t that big a player in East Coast gang culture. The reason for its weak position in the East Coast crime world was obvious: It wasn’t very well organized. MS-13 was comprised of a group of cliques that operated independently of each other.

No more. Law enforcement officials now report that gang members from across the country have come together to unite affiliated groups up and down the East Coast. The leadership for these cliques is now coming from as far away as California and even from El Salvador.

Robert Hart, senior agent in charge with the FBI, says that when individual groups of MS-13 unite, the results can be devastating. “The cliques, instead of operating independently of each other, are beginning to come together,” Hart explains. “The difference is by doing that, obviously you have a much tighter organization, much stronger structures and, instead of having various cliques doing whatever they want, wherever they want, there is one individual who is the leader and is able to control the payment of dues and the criminal acts they engage in. The result is very, very similar to what you would see in what we refer to as traditional organized criminal families.”

Finding Sanctuary

Los Angeles and New York law enforcement and even politicians are aware of the impact of MS-13 on their streets and on their crime statistics. So they’ve taken action. The results are usually not stellar, but at least these cities have recognized that MS-13 is a problem. Unfortunately, the leadership of MS-13 is not stupid. Once the heat comes down hard in L.A. and New York, they head for new turf, choosing Midwestern and Southern and suburban cities where gangs “are not an issue” and local officials and authorities are in denial.

And once MS-13 takes hold in a community, it grows fast. The gang reportedly has some 300 members in suburban Long Island. A few years back it didn’t have any.

Once MS-13 shows up on the radar, some local officials and authorities will take action. In Nassau County, for example, a joint gang task force headed by the FBI and comprised of local police departments, has arrested 16 leaders of MS-13. They were charged with two murders, assault, conspiracy, and firearms violations.

Such investigations aren’t easy because MS-13 has a pretty strident zero-tolerance policy toward anyone who informs the cops of their activities.

Court papers reveal that one of the Nassau County defendants was captured in a secretly recorded telephone conversation detailing how he killed a male victim because he had provided law enforcement officials with information and that he had “put one in his chest and three in the head.” In another recorded conversation, a second defendant said he killed a young female because, in part, she had also provided information to law enforcement.

Fighting Back

The senseless violence of MS-13 has shocked the local citizens of Nassau County, so the Nassau County Executive appointed a “gang czar” to deal with the increasing gang problem.

A seasoned, dedicated officer, the new “czar,” in reality, will find it difficult to accomplish what he has been mandated to do. His department, like many across the nation, is at its lowest staffing levels in recent history, and he has been given no additional personnel or resources to combat the problem. The public was placated by the appointment, but while politicians put Band-Aids on deep cuts, the problem continues to escalate on Long Island.

And Long Island is not alone. Nationally, police departments are dealing with the surge in violence emanating from MS-13 members.

In Charlotte, N.C., 53 gang members were arrested as part of Operation Fed Up, which targeted MS-13 members. Officials in the medium-sized Southern city say MS-13 has been involved in at least 11 murders in the Charlotte area since 2000. And with a membership estimated at 200, MS-13 is by far Charlotte’s largest gang.

Some 400 miles north of Charlotte, the northern Virginia and southern Maryland communities around Washington, D.C., have become MS-13 turf. Local authorities estimate that there are between 5,000 and 6,000 MS-13 members in the metropolitan area.

And where MS-13 goes, violence follows. In July 2003, an 18-year-old federal witness was stabbed to death; last May, a 16-year-old boy had his hands almost completely chopped off with a machete; and a week later a 17-year-old was shot and murdered. All three crimes were tied to MS-13 members.

The rapid increase in MS-13 activity along the corridor between Charlotte and D.C. is simply explained by Det. Tim Jolly, a gang specialist with the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department. The area has the nation’s second highest population of Salvadoran immigrants.

Gang of Chameleons

One of the more unusual aspects of MS-13 when compared to other street gangs is that it is extremely flexible in its activity. While some gangs are only into drugs, MS-13 will do any crime at any time.

Sgt. George Norris, supervisor of the gang unit in the Prince George’s County (Md.) Police Department, says MS-13 doesn’t sling drugs in his jurisdiction. “We see mostly citizen robberies, auto theft, shootings and cuttings, and homicides,” he says, adding that drug sales by MS-13 may be just a matter of time.

Violent and Vicious

When MS-13 moves into a new community it tends to announce its presence with violence. The same can be true when a new leader takes over the local cliques.

Norris says gang members from other areas had once been able to join the new gang by simply being “jumped in.” But now that new leaders have moved into Prince George’s County and consolidated the cliques, the gang’s local culture has become more violent and vicious.

“According to one of our informers, things have changed,” says Norris. “Now in order to get your letters or clique [symbols] tattooed on you, you have to also put in some violent act to show your commitment.”

Cop Killers

And MS-13 violence is not restricted to civilians, rival gang members, and clique traitors; the gang will go after cops. Threats against police officers, known to gang members as “green light” notices, have increased so much in the past few years that the Virginia Gang Association has warned officers in Virginia and states to the north and south to be wary of MS-13 members.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg’s Jolly says he is aware of the threats against police officers in his community and in Virginia. Prince George’s County’s Norris says he’s heard them, too. “If you do something to them, their natural response is, ‘OK, I’m going to kill you,’” he says. “Or at least they talk like they will.”

Norris dismisses some of MS-13’s threats, but that doesn’t mean that officers should take all MS-13 threats lightly. The gang is extremely violent and it has attacked and will continue to attack anyone who gets in its way. That includes law enforcement officers.

Roots of Evil

Named for La Mara, a street in San Salvador, and the Salvatrucha guerillas who fought in El Salvador’s bloody civil war, Mara Salvatrucha 13 was organized in Los Angeles in the late ’80s. At first, the gang’s primary purpose was to defend Salvadoran immigrants from being preyed upon by other L.A. street gangs.

But like any other street gang that was created to defend a particular ethnic group, MS-13 was quickly perverted until its primary purpose was preying upon the Salvadoran community. It also violently defends its turf against any other gang that might seek to slice away a piece of its action.

Gang members sometimes wear blue and white, colors taken from the national flag of El Salvador. They can also sport numerous body and even face tattoos. However, some members are much less visible and therefore much more dangerous.

Recent reports indicate that MS-13 has expanded from California to Alaska, Oregon, Utah, Texas, Nevada, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Washington, D.C., and Florida. The gang has also been exported back to Central America.

Back Home

It’s estimated that there are 36,000 MS-13 members in Honduras alone. In Honduras, according to a March 2004 report prepared by the Washington, D.C.-based, right-wing think tank the Maldon Institute, MS-13 has, with increasing frequency, resorted to leaving a dismembered corpse, complete with a decapitated head, as a calling card. Recently, according to the report, such a grisly message was left with a note for the Honduran president.

The note is supposed to have stated the gang’s displeasure with an August 2003 law that made it illegal to be a part of a gang. Under Honduran law gang leaders can be sentenced to prison for up to 12 years and rank-and-file members from six to nine years, just for being in the gang. A gang member can be arrested for simply having a tattoo.

El Salvador has also launched a crackdown on MS-13. A police offensive called “Operation Strong-arm” has resulted in the arrest of more than 4,000 gang members.

For MS-13, these are small losses. The gang is nothing if not mobile. When it feels heat in the U.S., it moves to another state. When it feels heat in El Salvador and Honduras, it sets up operations in Mexico.

The Maldon Institute report indicates that MS-13 “appears to be in control of much of the Mexican border and, in addition to its smuggling and contraband rackets, the gang collects money from illegal immigrants that it helps [move] across the border into the United States.”

The ultra-conservative Maldon Institute is known for doomsday predictions when it comes to the U.S.-Mexico border. But there can be no denial that MS-13 is very active in smuggling people, drugs, and guns across the border. And independent reports indicate that many illegal immigrants have been assaulted, robbed, and even raped by MS-13 members.

Mexico is now taking steps to fight back against MS-13. In December, Mexican authorities arrested 224 gang members in response to what they called a threat to national security. Among the arrests were members of MS-13 who were charged with trafficking in drugs and firearms across Mexico and Central America.

Illusion of Cooperation

While some of the Central American countries appear to be cracking down on MS-13, serious problems still exist. And they are being missed by politically correct reporters who want to tout U.S.-Latin American cooperation.

For example, on Long Island, the media was quick to cover an agreement between El Salvador and Suffolk County to share information on MS-13. What the local reporters didn’t cover was a much more serious issue. If these gang members commit serious offenses, they can return home, and there is no extradition agreement. And, of course, they are doing so in increasing numbers.

“I would say that between Honduras and El Salvador, there are seven or eight people we are seeking to take into custody,” says Lt. Dennis Farrell, head homicide investigator for the Nassau County Police Department. “Proportionally, if you take that across the country, the numbers are astronomical, the number of people who have probably fled to these two countries.”

Farrell says that two gang members who his detectives are looking to arrest for two separate murders are now living in the same town in El Salvador. He calls the situation extremely frustrating. “You undertake a very in-depth and comprehensive investigation, pursue all possible leads, build a case, essentially conduct a successful investigation, only to have it thwarted by the fact that after having identified the killer or killers, you are unable, under the present international agreements, to return them to Nassau County to face murder charges.

“Even more than that frustration, how about the injustice and sense of desperation on the part of families who have lost loved ones? Where is the measure of justice? There is really no justice for those families, and absent some reworked or new initiative between our state department and those sovereign states, I don’t see any change in this condition in the foreseeable future,” Farrell adds.

In addition to extradition treaties, many gang investigators believe stricter and more uniform laws are needed here in this country. According to Charlotte-Mecklenburg’s Jolly, one of the reasons MS-13 has migrated to the East Coast is the strict anti-gang laws on the West Coast. He also believes that, with the stricter gang laws in Central America, many MS-13 members may be coming back to the United States illegally.

Long Arms

With the number of MS-13 members growing nationwide (some cliques now even accept non-Hispanic members), and the violence escalating, the future for law enforcement appears grim.

“They adapt to what the police do,” says Prince George’s County’s Norris. “They will change the way they operate, depending on the way things are enforced by the police. If there is no enforcement, they will wear their colors and bandanas because in the communities they are in it is common knowledge and the people fear them, so it is a form of intimidation.

“Once the police recognize and confront them, they will change and wear different colors from the blue and white, no bandana on their head, maybe now in their pocket, and instead of the number 13 they will wear 67 or 76 because it equals 13. They adapt so it is a continually evolving thing.”

While the nation focuses on terrorism, the issue of gang violence has taken a lower priority. But to many, the violent acts of MS-13 members are more of an everyday threat that is being overlooked.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: aliens; dhs; gangs; immigration; islam; latinamerica; leo; m13; marasalvatrucha; mexico; ms13; terrorism; turass; wodlist
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To: Rome2000
There is no 2nd ammendment in NY and CA.

Only criminals, cops, and the rich have guns.

Sure. Of course. :)

151 posted on 02/21/2005 8:35:35 AM PST by nosofar
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To: Happy2BMe
While the nation focuses on terrorism, the issue of gang violence has taken a lower priority. But to many, the violent acts of MS-13 members are more of an everyday threat that is being overlooked.

They're the left hand and the right hand of the same enemy.

"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."

--Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985


152 posted on 02/21/2005 12:40:51 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Happy2BMe
"But there was another message in the brutal slayings for the people of Long Island. And that message was that gang violence had moved into the upper middle class enclaves of the Island, into the kinds of communities where the locals assume that crime is somebody else’s problem."

Unbelievable! When we first moved out to L.I. in 1948, it was mostly potato farms and a few bedroom communities. As far as I can recall, the ethnic makeup was Irish, Jewish, and Italian and that was pretty much it. Violence was non existent and the educational system was the finest in the country.

How things do change!

153 posted on 02/21/2005 12:48:11 PM PST by infocats
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To: infocats
"How things do change!"

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"Things" have changed more in the last five years than they have in the last twenty. And under a Republican House and Senate majority and a Republican president I might add.

Where are the 'conservatives?'

154 posted on 02/21/2005 1:05:34 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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To: Happy2BMe

Oh yeah. This guy's just waiting to become a hard-working, productive member of American society...

155 posted on 02/21/2005 2:27:15 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Warning: Not being an open-borders RINO can be dangerous to your FR health.)
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To: StoneColdGOP
" Oh yeah. This guy's just waiting to become a hard-working, productive member your worst nightmare and the scourge of American society...
156 posted on 02/21/2005 7:06:28 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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To: Happy2BMe

Bookmarking


Happy, will you put me on your ping list. I seem to miss some of your good posts. Thanks!


157 posted on 02/23/2005 9:53:47 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Happy2BMe

Bump.


158 posted on 02/23/2005 10:23:13 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Rummyfan; MHT; Logophile; hosepipe; wardaddy; A Navy Vet; janetgreen; Squantos; VMI70; ...
FNC Special hosted by Newt Gingrich coming up... Sunday @ 9pm ET
159 posted on 03/02/2005 11:56:49 PM PST by Sirc_Valence (I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those that threaten.. my brother)
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To: Sirc_Valence; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; SLB; TexasCowboy

Thanks for the info........will watch.


160 posted on 03/02/2005 11:59:14 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

No problem.


161 posted on 03/03/2005 12:09:11 AM PST by Sirc_Valence (I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those that threaten.. my brother)
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To: backhoe

some more underbelly for ya


162 posted on 03/03/2005 1:11:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: tahiti

Illinois better watch out too


163 posted on 03/03/2005 1:14:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Thanks- I need to research them.


164 posted on 03/03/2005 1:40:17 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Squantos; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; ...

#123 - MS13 - FYI


165 posted on 03/03/2005 2:27:26 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Now, how hard is it to spot this walking billboard of antisocial behavior and have some civic minded magician make him and his ilk disappear?


166 posted on 03/03/2005 4:28:50 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: dfwgator
But these gangs are terrorists too, and we need to fight them with all the vigor that we fight Al-Qaeda with.

I'm in complete agreement. I believe the philosophy of "self help" we're trying to instill to the population of Iraq is applicable to us as well. Why should we wait on the government as the Iraqis wait on the coalition to purge their country of internal terrorists when we are completely capable of "cleaning house" ourselves. The problem is that no one want to get involved because it's easier to just turn our collective heads and pretend that by ignoring the matter will make it go away or in the worst case scenario that "the law" will take care of the matter.

If the law was capable of taking care of the matter then it wouldn't exist, would it? The law and the law enforcement agencies can not do anything unless something happens. So, in essence, it is in their interest to allow things to happen so that they can establish their relevance, after the fact.

167 posted on 03/03/2005 4:42:20 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Yup.


168 posted on 03/03/2005 5:41:45 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Squantos

BTTT


169 posted on 03/03/2005 5:43:24 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: backhoe

Lots of info on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1354262/posts
GANG LAND


170 posted on 03/03/2005 8:54:50 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Happy2BMe; sure_fine

Send 'em to York, PA; we can use the target practice.


171 posted on 03/03/2005 11:21:03 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Happy2BMe; All

A NATIONAL DRIVE FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM in D.C.
April 23- 28, 2005

http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/travel_current.html

A NATIONAL DRIVE FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM-
Hold Their Feet to the Fire XI with Roger Hedgecock - April 23- 28, 2005


172 posted on 03/03/2005 11:25:35 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: oceanview

To which they will respond by adding more gun control laws...


173 posted on 03/03/2005 11:42:25 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: FBD

The real rubber will hit the road not in Washington, D.C. but in Tombstone, Arizona on April 1st.


174 posted on 03/03/2005 4:56:10 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Rome2000

As a resident of California, I can assure you that many people who are not criminals, not cops, and not rich, own firearms. No, the California constitution does not contain a right to keep and bear arms, but there are plenty of firearms owned legally by average other than rich, cop, or criminal types.


175 posted on 03/03/2005 5:02:10 PM PST by .38sw
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To: Happy2BMe; All

To: Marine Inspector; backhoe; piasa; Godzilla; HAL9000; All



NEWS BRIEF:

http://radio.ksl.com/index.php?sid=154159&nid=19
"LA Gang Growing In Utah
Local law enforcement are keeping a close eye on a fast growing gang that started in Los Angeles, and now has members here in Utah."


(Mar 4, 2005) --


SALT LAKE CITY-(KSL News) --


ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Los Angeles Police Detective Tony Moreno is in Utah to teach law enforcement about the MS13 gang. He says the gang likes quiet communities where they can take over."


Posted on 03/05/2005 10:22:41 PM PST by Cindy


176 posted on 03/05/2005 10:25:07 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Happy2BMe
Libertarians who advocate a defacto open borders policy (along with the Robert Bartley WSJ flavor of neo-con) need to understand and think about the..

LAW OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES

This law, a distant cousin to the ubiquitous Murphys law, states that sometimes in advocating a policy which is illogical, but otherwise well intentioned, you end up promoting and establishing the very antithesis of what your goals are.

In response to this massive unregulated 'migration', you are going to end up with...

A welfare and socialist entitlement system far far bigger than you have now....AND / OR

A police state whereby the military will be patrolling the streets to maintain order and check 'papers', just as in one of my favorite movies....Bladerunner.
177 posted on 03/14/2005 2:55:45 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: oceanview

He should be head of the FBI.


178 posted on 03/16/2005 7:25:42 AM PST by dervish (Nihilism is dead)
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To: Happy2BMe

It is all politics of course, I wonder if it is a matter of balance of criminal activity or evidence to support conviction or expulsion. If organized criminal activity does not warrent a national security risk then what qualification is required for DHS to assess as threat. MS13 has been targeted however it is almost double talk that other gangs are allowed to operate while engaging in "criminal" activity. Of course the divisions between domestic, criminal, and martial actions against a political state are clear and orginization should be known, however it is political states that accept criminals as required that set up systems for lax allowances of "illegal" cultures, simply the cultures themselves engage in "illegal" activities as per required, it is simply a matter of what is seen as acceptable preying. If resistance is given to police officers where oposition is armed you can expect the chance of weapons discharge, it becomes a threat when the underdog "criminal" is on even ground. If police and then paramiliatary national security forces are unable to deal with the situation then it becomes martial considering organiziation for ongoing resistance is likely ongoing if open resistance is active. The martial aspect is grave national security risks emergency situations. It seems redundant to have the divisions DHS is a partial example with the joining of all paramilitary "civil forces", these are not "civil" forces they are equivlent to combat forces trained in investigative and deterent of "non modern combat forces" with upwards of 150 000 personel. The only thing perhaps seperating Military and paramilitary activities is what is seen as containment rather then erradication, it is also seen as "inhumane" to commit exterminate of captive soilders in military law, however that does not mean it has not happened.

It is gross neglagence to allow criminal activity to be ongoing, however the clear line between intervention and assualt is a basis of recognition.

In my opinion the division of martial forces creates a class of acceptable activities against the state. It becomes purely political where damage to the state is benifical to the politics, where politics builds the state. It is all just corrupted personal bias and it is unfortunate that the forces that play in militant politics exist, but heck since when has it been a free world? It is a police state run by the political ambitions of he who holds the most might. Of course you can abandon this notion and acheive "freedom" but in the world it leaves you.

No drugs? That's odd, maybe they will make some connections in jail. It is unfortunate when the thugs arn't on payroll, serving society? Who's society? Twisted bastards.

What I don't get about gangs is how they mark themselves for identification, it just seems lacking of intellegence.
They do what they do I geuss, but you can't say theyre terrorists they wear their uniforms ALL the time.

I understand it is just what people beleive is righ, no offence it just seems negligent, what is an offense, POLTITICS? Such a thin line between cherry picking and winning, where my cows at? WHSPH

Now to say something that ins't obvious, all this intellegence gathering if tough work we can't just arrest everyone we don't like... or can we.. time give it time.

BIG BROTHER YOU HAVE FAILED me *shivers*

MUST START gang that tatoes little cutesy panda bear on a beach ball.. that'll make em all looks stopid, panda bear gang strikes again. anyway /endrant



live life, send me money, I can't stand money.


179 posted on 03/17/2005 9:51:51 PM PST by w_ashley (http://www.angelfire.com/retro2/w_ashley/billshomepage.htm w_ashley@sympatico.ca)
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To: Happy2BMe

How ignorant can you be??? You people act as if MS-13 is only a problem here. MS-13 is a bigger problem in Central and South America then it is here. I have faced accusations from people here saying that I am a MS-13 member just because I'm from El Salvador. Thats just ridiculous. You people have 2 understand that these people have had a rough past with the Civil War killing more then 20% of our population (70,000 people). Now they want to make immigration laws STRICTER then they already are for people coming from Latin America?? Bush needs to take his head out of his ass and think for once in his life. Same problems Americans face..Latinos, especially Salvadorans, face, too.


180 posted on 04/05/2005 12:32:21 PM PDT by UniteLatinAmerica (Oh My God)
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To: UniteLatinAmerica

AGREED there hespanics, blacks ,asians ect. face the same damn problems


183 posted on 02/19/2006 3:52:53 AM PST by melpena
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To: UniteLatinAmerica
Now they want to make immigration laws STRICTER then they already are

Good rant, but missed completely.

185 posted on 03/03/2006 1:25:58 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Happy2BMe


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420911/posts
America's Most Dangerous Gang


190 posted on 04/16/2006 9:51:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: everyone

There was a time when people stood up against evil men. When the murderers were hung in town square for every one to see. A time when a man was either for this country or not. When Pearl harbor was attacked, we responded with nuclear force and the situation was solved. When the nazi's were doing their genocide tour, the world stood up together and crushed them. There was a time when the word Community, meant somthing. Human trash like MS13 parade up and down your streets, threatining your children and you stand idol. Teenagers beeing mutilated with machettes, police officers being assasinated. Fogrein terrorists murdering by the thousands. And what do americans complain about the most? Gas prices. What do they focus on? American Idol. I am ashamed to live under the same flag as these so-called Americans. I long for the day when the average american has a back bone and does somthing about it. I long for the day that the average american decides to quit depending an incapable (or unwilling) government to act. YOU, my fellow americans are the ones who are going to have to do somthing about it. The United States is THE LARGEST consumer of cocaine in the world. Our government beat the Nazi's....but it cant beat a drug dealer? Do you realy believe that you and the government have the same goal on that subject? The most powerful nation to ever exist, and we cant beat a street gang? This is a load of crap and it is not the america that they advertise. You know what I think. I think its time for EVERY american to man up. Every one has alot of hard talk, but no follow through. The average american is scared. The average american is too affraid of true sacrafice. Too affraid to give what it will take to get this country back on track. And most hide behind the excuse that, our ancestors made those sacrafices so we wouldnt have to. Well, ya know what, the corruption, hate, tyrrany and the totolitarianism is back. Now what.What will we do? Sit around, point fingers and stick peices of paper in a box to pitt against each other to see who has the right to make the next lame attempt. Yeah, I can see our modern society doing that, before standing up for itself. I believe in what america used to be, what it once was, and what it still could be.....but what it is......what we have let it become, is not looking too pretty. YOU decide whether or not MS 13 will strike fear into your community! You decide whether or not that dope dealer will stand on YOUR street corner! YOU decide what happens to those who terrorize your community! YOU are america. You are free. Act like it. You are now free to go back to watching the simple life.


192 posted on 06/15/2006 2:27:22 AM PDT by 10FOLD
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To: Happy2BMe

And just wondering, exactly how many are illegal aliens?

No, we don't need to close the borders...

Mark


193 posted on 06/15/2006 2:39:23 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: anyone
What the heck!! I saw on the news that we are not supposed to call them illegal aliens anymore. now were supposed to call them "undocumented immigrants".........NEVER will I call them that. I don't call a bank robbery an "Undocumented withdrawl" Whats next..I can see it now..'ladys and gentlmen, we have decided that rape is such an ugly word, lets just call it "surprise sex"' Political correctness is really getting on my nerves. Trying to give a broken law a title that "sounds nicer"...so that "no ones feelings get hurt" ,so that eventually it can be played off as not such a burden at all. THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALY...THEY ARE ILLEGAL!! AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I realy want to cuss right now. Censorship is un American. And I quote Lewis Black..."People cuss to express feelings like rage and anger, to vent our frustrations, SO WE DONT PICK UP A TIRE IRON AND BASH SOMEONES HEAD IN!!!!!! (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10....."sigh" all better.
194 posted on 06/18/2006 5:08:49 AM PDT by 10FOLD
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To: 10FOLD; devolve; PhilDragoo; Fiddlstix; Happy2BMe; y'all

buuuuuuuuuuummmmmppp !!!!


195 posted on 07/03/2008 10:25:24 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
This would only help the gang grow bigger and stronger. This gang started in Los Angeles in the 80’s and when we deported the members back to el Salvador, thats when they got bigger, stronger, and now are very powerful. No matter where we send them, they would grow bigger and stronger and sneak back in to the US.
196 posted on 08/08/2008 7:11:18 PM PDT by scannerrob
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To: MoJo2001
The best way to protect against gangs in your family is to ensure that a FATHER is present in the life of young children teaching them how to pump hot lead into marauding thugs.

Teach your kids early, and often that skill-at-arms is an indispensible support of Freedom, and knowing who to kill, when, why, and what to tell the Judge later, are all presonal duties that come with the territory.

And DO NOTE I said "kill"; if your plan is not to guarantee that the target meets God NOW, don't even bother pulling your piece. Artsy, fartsy shoot-to-disable moves are pure Hollywood, and the first step toward missing your target entirely, which -- when it really counts -- is likely to get you good and dead.

Determine to kill the assailant, or just plan to be a good little victim -- like ones in the obituaries.

197 posted on 09/03/2008 5:57:41 AM PDT by HKMk23 (To the church without mixture I will give the Spirit without measure. -- YHVH)
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