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America's Most Dangerous Gang - MS13 - Violent, Vicious, and Spreading Fast.
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Posted on 02/20/2005 10:53:56 AM PST by Happy2BMe

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To: Logophile

Excuse you!
As a Samoan, tattoos are a part of the culture. Obviously, you'd be too offended to ever come over to my house. LOL!


101 posted on 02/20/2005 12:32:56 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: dfwgator

Or the Hollywood movies and shows that glorified the Italian mobsters of old?? Or the "Sopranos"? Oh wait! Those are better! Why? Because the Italian mobsters have an "honor" system. </sarcasm>


102 posted on 02/20/2005 12:34:21 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: Snapple
The boy who had his hands cut off lived near us. Today our tires were stolen. It is the second time our car was vandalized in a few months. The police just left after taking a report.

If you live that close to them, is there any chance that you can move???

103 posted on 02/20/2005 12:37:42 PM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: SheLion

Should we just let gangsters take over?

These kinds of people are everywhere. You have to oppose it.


104 posted on 02/20/2005 12:40:01 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

true.

but stop and frisk is not a crime. the #1 most effective technique used to achieve the dramatic crime reductions in NYC - was the streets crimes unit stop and frisk techniques. police would simply stop people (yes, based on how they looked and most importantly, which neighboorhood they were out in the street in) and put them up against a wall and frisk them - uncovering weapons, drugs, warrants, etc. it works. it instills fear of the police into these people, and that's what they don't have now. they don't have any fear of the police, and a few midnight basketball sessions by the PBA isn't going to help.


105 posted on 02/20/2005 12:42:23 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Snapple
Should we just let gangsters take over?

These kinds of people are everywhere. You have to oppose it.

Well, I guess I am talking about a small gal who is a widow and living alone.  Without any guns.

You do what you want.  May the Lord have mercy on your Soul and give you strength to fight them!


106 posted on 02/20/2005 12:44:58 PM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: Happy2BMe

LEOs - Federal, State and local - need to make a concerted and coordinated effort to shut these murdering b*st*rds down!


107 posted on 02/20/2005 12:46:25 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: JarheadFromFlorida
My son went to a boarding school that was heavily populated with the children of rich people from Mexico, Central and South America. We thought of it as an "international" environment--boy, did we sure learn quickly that the culture that these kids brought with them was saturated with sadism and cruelty. These were rich kids whose parents didn't want them hanging around because: (a) they were a pain-in-the-neck to the dad's mistress; (b) they were at risk of being kidnapped because dad was so rich; or, (c) they were at risk because dad was really a drug don and his kids were targets of rival drug kingpins. The rule of the school was that you couldn't carry more than $20 with you--so they carried 20 $100 bills. You weren't supposed to speak anything but English (to improve their skills for "international business"), but they constantly spoke Spanish and bullied those around them into compliance. Worst of all, the punishments they inflicted upon boys who were somehow weaker than they were thoughtfully sadistic and planned with precision.

As a country, we have had a brutal history of conflict between races and ethnicities. However, the absolute evil of these people streaming into the country today will make the horrors of the past look like child's play.

108 posted on 02/20/2005 12:47:15 PM PST by MHT
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To: oceanview

Sounds good to me. They may do that.


109 posted on 02/20/2005 12:48:51 PM PST by Snapple
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To: MHT

That's really interesting.


110 posted on 02/20/2005 12:51:09 PM PST by Snapple
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To: MoJo2001
Excuse you! As a Samoan, tattoos are a part of the culture. Obviously, you'd be too offended to ever come over to my house. LOL!

Fine. But the young people I referred to are not Samoan. Tattoos and body piercing are not part of their culture—if anything, they are a statement against their traditional culture.

When I see middle-class American kids emulating gang members in their clothing, their tattoos, their speech, and their entertainments, I wonder what has gone wrong.
111 posted on 02/20/2005 12:51:52 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Happy2BMe

They are just doing the crimes our local criminals are too lazy to do.


112 posted on 02/20/2005 12:52:50 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: Happy2BMe; All
ON THE NET...


Google News Search Term: "MARA SALVATRUCHA" (Read More...)

Google News Search Term: "MS-13" (Read More...)

WTOP.com (AP): Fairfax, Virginia - "MACHETE CONTINUES TO BE WEAPON OF CHOICE FOR GANGS" (January 16, 2005) (Read More...)

ABCnews.go.com (Reuters): Tegucigalpa, Honduras - "HONDURAS BLAMES STREET GANGS FOR BUS MASSACRE" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The maras are related to Hispanic gangs in Los Angeles.") (December 25, 2004) (Read More...)
EL-UNIVERSAL.com.mx - Wire services: "MARA GANG WORKING AS HIRED GUNS" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The Mara Salvatrucha and MS-18 are Central America's largest and most ruthless street gangs, but crackdowns in Honduras and El Salvador drove much of the gangs' membership into southern Mexico, especially in Chiapas, Veracruz and Oaxaca.") (December 15, 2004) (Read More...)
BROWNSVILLE HERALD.com: "BANGLADESHI'S ARREST PROMPTS CONCERN OVER BORDER SECURITY" by Sergio Chapa (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Federal court records show Fakhrul Islam, age unknown, was arrested Dec. 4 with 13 other undocumented immigrants as they tried to pass through a wooded area east of Brownsville. The records said a man later identified by Border Patrol agents as a member of the Mara Salvatruchas gang was traveling in the same group as Islam. The Central American gang has alleged links to al-Qaida.") (December 10, 2004) (Read More...)
A Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding a BROWNSVILLEHERALD.com article: "MARA GANG MEMBER ARRAIGNED AFTER ATTEMPT TO ENTER BROWNSVILLE" (December 8, 2004) (Read More...)

OFFICER.com (NBC4.com): "THREAT REPORTED AGAINST PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY POLICE" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "PALMER PARK, Md. -- Police officials in Prince George's County, Md., say they are taking a very ominous threat against their officers very seriously. Law enforcement officials say they have received tips indicating that a violent street gang known as MS-13 may be planning to ambush and kill police officers.") (Updated November 12, 2004) (Read More...)
SEATTLEPI.com - SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER (AP): Tegucigalpa, Honduras - "HONDURAN OFFICIAL SAYS AL-QAIDA RECRUITING" (Last Updated October 21, 2004) (Read More...)

WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "AL QAEDA SEEKS TIE TO LOCAL GANGS" by Jerry Seper (September 28, 2004) (Read More...)

FBI.gov - Seeking Information: "ADNAN G. EL SHUKRIJUMAH" (ALIASES: "Adnan G. El Shukri Jumah; Abu Arif; Ja'far Al-Tayar; Jaffar Al-Tayyar; Jafar Tayar; Jaafar Al-Tayyar") (VIEW POSTER. Click Here.)
IanLivingston.com - Focus: "ADAN GULSHAIR EL SHUKRIJUMAH" (Read More...)

FOX NEWS.com (AP): Tegucigalpa, Honduras - "AL QAEDA MAY BE TRYING TO RECRUIT HONDURANS" (August 22, 2004) (Read More...)

113 posted on 02/20/2005 12:53:39 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Happy2BMe
New York has always been run by mob rule..
Its just a different mob.. will take some time before they become official like the current mob.. unless the current mob eliminates them.. Pretty much the same for most big American cities.. Serpico where are you.?.. Oh! thats right hes dead..
114 posted on 02/20/2005 1:00:59 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Logophile

Middle class American kids??

And what does a middle class American kid look like? I'm only asking as a chick who was raised middle class in America. I would love to know.

The ghetto look is just as ugly as the Gothic thing. UGH!


115 posted on 02/20/2005 1:03:11 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: MoJo2001
The ghetto look is just as ugly as the Gothic thing. UGH!

I agree with you.

The "Gothic thing" is creepy. A morbid fascination with sadomasochism, suicide, vampirism, androgyny, and necrophilia does not strike me as a healthy approach to life.

Whenever I encounter young persons who have adopted either the ghetto look or the Gothic "philosophy," I assume that they have serious problems until proven otherwise.
116 posted on 02/20/2005 1:41:32 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile; MadIvan

...clearing throat...


117 posted on 02/20/2005 1:59:31 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: Snapple

Since you live in VA, got your CCW permit yet?


118 posted on 02/20/2005 2:20:27 PM PST by helper
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To: helper

What is that, a gun permit?


119 posted on 02/20/2005 2:22:17 PM PST by Snapple
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To: LibKill

Where are the Earps when you need them?


120 posted on 02/20/2005 2:23:04 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: LibKill
"This needs the old west treatment. Declare all members outlaws who may be killed on sight. No rewards, but no punishment."

The politicians and bureaucrats don't have the cojones to handle this. The cops don't want citizens taking the law into their own hands. I'll almost guarantee you that if it gets bad enough people will step up to the plate and these scum will start disappearing. It won't start in the large cities but in the smaller towns and rural areas first. People are scared of these punks because they are incredibly violent. They are violent because for the most part they are low IQ trash and no one has stood up to them yet.
121 posted on 02/20/2005 2:24:02 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Happy2BMe
Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) is unfortunately becoming everybody’s problem. This plague that came to Long Island from El Salvador by way of the streets of Los Angeles follows the same migratory patterns as the Salvadoran immigrant community that it preys upon, fanning out across the United States from ethnic enclaves in California.

Well, not ALL of them "fanned out" across the U.S. I've seen guys who look like this one all over L.A. County.

Can someone tell me WHY these gangsters are allowed to remain in America??? I doubt that any of them applied for citizenship.

122 posted on 02/20/2005 2:49:17 PM PST by janetgreen (America needs REAL immigration reform, NOT more "guestworkers".)
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To: Snapple; Travis McGee; wardaddy

Very good points snapple.....your DC chapters are alledged to be the largest in the nation yet your post about the smarter ones is key.

The really dangerous ones can be in brooks brothers camo....

Some links I use:

http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/ms/ms_001.htm

http://www.nagia.org/mara_salvatrucha.htm

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=68615

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha_(MS,_MS-13)

http://www.policemag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1228

http://www.fiscalstudy.com/2004-global-photo/36-mara-salvatrucha-gang-in-san-salvador.php

http://www.answers.com/topic/mara-salvatrucha

http://www.stratfor.com/seo/Story.neo?storyId=238334

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/runforyourlife/journey4.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1314357/posts


123 posted on 02/20/2005 2:50:20 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: MHT

What was the name of the school?


124 posted on 02/20/2005 2:50:27 PM PST by VMI70
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To: Snapple
I work less than a mile from the theater where the machete incident occurred. This gang is nothing more than a bunch of terrorists. They deserve the same fate.
125 posted on 02/20/2005 3:23:29 PM PST by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Within a few years, it will be commonplace for law enforcement to simply 'eliminate' their adversaries, as opposed to having to deal with the court systems. Adaptation to a virulent opponent is natural selection on a societal level. Once gangs declare open season on all citizens, there is no alternatives left to consider.
126 posted on 02/20/2005 3:36:37 PM PST by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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To: Chef Dajuan

Don't forget the Jewish mafia too. They are, in fact, the modern day mafia. Sometimes misnamed as the Russian mafia, most of them are Jewish emigres to the US. Most casino's in the nation are controlled by these thugs. They're very vicious and deadly as the M13 gang members.


127 posted on 02/20/2005 3:57:43 PM PST by TheBrotherhood ("cupido capere et videri gravis" or somesuch.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Shot on sight.


128 posted on 02/20/2005 4:03:38 PM PST by mlmr (The Majority of the Murders Committed Worldwide have been Committed by Leftist Governments..........)
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To: Snapple
Yes, it allows concealed carry of a handgun. VA is a right to carry state. Go to the Virginia State Police web site for a application package. The package is free, the application fee is $100.00 for a 5 year permit.

VA also will give permits to out of state residents, same package and price.
129 posted on 02/20/2005 4:09:45 PM PST by helper
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To: TheBrotherhood

Haha, never heard of a Jewish mofia. Almost sounds like something from Family Guy.


130 posted on 02/20/2005 4:13:04 PM PST by Free and Armed
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To: Happy2BMe
thanks pres bush, clinton and bush for years and years of letting the scum of the earth in... You all sit in the big house with bodyguards while the thuggish trash you let in terrorizes citizens who pay your salaries... Disgraceful!
131 posted on 02/20/2005 4:28:45 PM PST by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: Happy2BMe

Are you trying to scare people with the truth?

It doesn't work on FR. The President wants the borders wide open.


132 posted on 02/20/2005 4:36:22 PM PST by B4Ranch (Over-reliance on experience leads to making the same mistakes with increasing levels of confidence.)
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To: oceanview

You are talking about profiling! Shame on you!


133 posted on 02/20/2005 4:43:09 PM PST by B4Ranch (Over-reliance on experience leads to making the same mistakes with increasing levels of confidence.)
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To: helper

I think I am too emotional to be responsible with a gun.


134 posted on 02/20/2005 5:21:00 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

Snapple....please, go to a gun store. Take private lessons. I GUARANTEE you, you'll do just fine.


135 posted on 02/20/2005 5:50:08 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: DoughtyOne; Snapple; AmericanInTokyo; HiJinx; All
It is our duty to mar or paint over gang grafitti wherever it pops up. I've obliterated three sites in Nashville so far and watch for "reestablishing". So far the punks seem to be confounded that people will fight back.

These messages read like gibberish (even in Spanish) but all had the number 13 prominent in the message. It's our neighborhoods, not their "yards".

136 posted on 02/20/2005 5:52:02 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Unrepentent politically-incorrect Nativist who believes America comes first)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

Good for you.

Watch your back. I mean it.


137 posted on 02/20/2005 6:00:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: hosepipe
Serpico where are you.?.. Oh! thats right hes dead.

I think you're wrong on that one - I saw Frank Serpico was an executive producer of a 2005 film just last week and was glad to see he was still kicking.

138 posted on 02/20/2005 6:05:13 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Unrepentent politically-incorrect Nativist who believes America comes first)
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To: DoughtyOne

Heh heh. Like that wrestling boy John Cena says, "They can't see me." Thank you for the warning. I know those scum would love to catch me, but do they know how much I'd love to catch them?


139 posted on 02/20/2005 6:11:23 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Unrepentent politically-incorrect Nativist who believes America comes first)
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To: Snapple

Perhaps, but I found carrying made me more responsible and think rather than respond to emotions.

It's also something you don't have to do 24/7, you might like to go out on a nice evening walk, or have to go to the drug store at midnight.

Otherwise, you can continue to live in fear of MS13 or some other gang.


140 posted on 02/20/2005 6:14:20 PM PST by helper
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To: B4Ranch
I first started hearing about 'M13' last June when I was visiting just north of Richmond, VA.

M13 had started their wide use of machetes in broad daylight against their victims.

I believe machetes are now illegal in Virginia.

141 posted on 02/20/2005 6:53:17 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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To: Chef Dajuan
"I don't think the Gambinos, Colombos, Genoveses, etc. will stand for this very long...do you?"

=======================================

It doesn't matter. The illegal invasion dwarfs anything 'The Family' ever dreamed of becoming.

Period.

142 posted on 02/20/2005 6:59:21 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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To: MoJo2001
"Continued prayers for our country. We need it more than ever. "

==========================================

Amen.

143 posted on 02/20/2005 7:00:48 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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To: Tuba Guy
You can see the demons just crawling all over these animals . .


144 posted on 02/20/2005 7:03:46 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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To: who knows what evil?
"These savages are more of a threat to Americans than RECRUITING al-Qaeda among their ranks could ever hope to be, and should be dealt with swiftly and harshly."
145 posted on 02/20/2005 7:05:36 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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To: Happy2BMe

This is really getting frightening and our prisons are already overcrowded. In my medium sized town of 65 thousand in Texas, we have many Mexican gangs. This past year we were rated either 14th or 18th in high crime rate!!


146 posted on 02/20/2005 7:25:19 PM PST by potlatch (Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


147 posted on 02/20/2005 8:08:19 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Happy2BMe

Actually I find there is a huge gulf between a criminal cult that worships money and a pseudo-religious one that regards money as a mere tool to fight we "unbelievers". If our alphabet agencies ignore this the scum may come to agree, but infiltrating and magnifying the differences could possibly save many thousands of lives.


148 posted on 02/20/2005 8:16:34 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Unrepentent politically-incorrect Nativist who believes America comes first)
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To: Happy2BMe

Bump for later.


149 posted on 02/20/2005 8:48:38 PM PST by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: HiJinx

bttt


150 posted on 02/20/2005 10:27:40 PM PST by lainde ( ...we are not European, we are American, and we have different principles!")
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