Skip to comments.America's Most Dangerous Gang - MS13 - Violent, Vicious, and Spreading Fast.
Posted on 02/20/2005 10:53:56 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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Only criminals, cops, and the rich have guns.
Sure. Of course. :)
They're the left hand and the right hand of the same enemy.
"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."
--Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985
Unbelievable! When we first moved out to L.I. in 1948, it was mostly potato farms and a few bedroom communities. As far as I can recall, the ethnic makeup was Irish, Jewish, and Italian and that was pretty much it. Violence was non existent and the educational system was the finest in the country.
How things do change!
"Things" have changed more in the last five years than they have in the last twenty. And under a Republican House and Senate majority and a Republican president I might add.
Where are the 'conservatives?'
Oh yeah. This guy's just waiting to become a hard-working, productive member of American society...
Happy, will you put me on your ping list. I seem to miss some of your good posts. Thanks!
Thanks for the info........will watch.
some more underbelly for ya
Illinois better watch out too
Thanks- I need to research them.
#123 - MS13 - FYI
Now, how hard is it to spot this walking billboard of antisocial behavior and have some civic minded magician make him and his ilk disappear?
I'm in complete agreement. I believe the philosophy of "self help" we're trying to instill to the population of Iraq is applicable to us as well. Why should we wait on the government as the Iraqis wait on the coalition to purge their country of internal terrorists when we are completely capable of "cleaning house" ourselves. The problem is that no one want to get involved because it's easier to just turn our collective heads and pretend that by ignoring the matter will make it go away or in the worst case scenario that "the law" will take care of the matter.
If the law was capable of taking care of the matter then it wouldn't exist, would it? The law and the law enforcement agencies can not do anything unless something happens. So, in essence, it is in their interest to allow things to happen so that they can establish their relevance, after the fact.
Lots of info on this thread:
Send 'em to York, PA; we can use the target practice.
A NATIONAL DRIVE FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM in D.C.
April 23- 28, 2005
A NATIONAL DRIVE FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM-
Hold Their Feet to the Fire XI with Roger Hedgecock - April 23- 28, 2005
To which they will respond by adding more gun control laws...
The real rubber will hit the road not in Washington, D.C. but in Tombstone, Arizona on April 1st.
As a resident of California, I can assure you that many people who are not criminals, not cops, and not rich, own firearms. No, the California constitution does not contain a right to keep and bear arms, but there are plenty of firearms owned legally by average other than rich, cop, or criminal types.
To: Marine Inspector; backhoe; piasa; Godzilla; HAL9000; All
"LA Gang Growing In Utah
Local law enforcement are keeping a close eye on a fast growing gang that started in Los Angeles, and now has members here in Utah."
(Mar 4, 2005) --
SALT LAKE CITY-(KSL News) --
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Los Angeles Police Detective Tony Moreno is in Utah to teach law enforcement about the MS13 gang. He says the gang likes quiet communities where they can take over."
Posted on 03/05/2005 10:22:41 PM PST by Cindy
He should be head of the FBI.
It is all politics of course, I wonder if it is a matter of balance of criminal activity or evidence to support conviction or expulsion. If organized criminal activity does not warrent a national security risk then what qualification is required for DHS to assess as threat. MS13 has been targeted however it is almost double talk that other gangs are allowed to operate while engaging in "criminal" activity. Of course the divisions between domestic, criminal, and martial actions against a political state are clear and orginization should be known, however it is political states that accept criminals as required that set up systems for lax allowances of "illegal" cultures, simply the cultures themselves engage in "illegal" activities as per required, it is simply a matter of what is seen as acceptable preying. If resistance is given to police officers where oposition is armed you can expect the chance of weapons discharge, it becomes a threat when the underdog "criminal" is on even ground. If police and then paramiliatary national security forces are unable to deal with the situation then it becomes martial considering organiziation for ongoing resistance is likely ongoing if open resistance is active. The martial aspect is grave national security risks emergency situations. It seems redundant to have the divisions DHS is a partial example with the joining of all paramilitary "civil forces", these are not "civil" forces they are equivlent to combat forces trained in investigative and deterent of "non modern combat forces" with upwards of 150 000 personel. The only thing perhaps seperating Military and paramilitary activities is what is seen as containment rather then erradication, it is also seen as "inhumane" to commit exterminate of captive soilders in military law, however that does not mean it has not happened.
It is gross neglagence to allow criminal activity to be ongoing, however the clear line between intervention and assualt is a basis of recognition.
In my opinion the division of martial forces creates a class of acceptable activities against the state. It becomes purely political where damage to the state is benifical to the politics, where politics builds the state. It is all just corrupted personal bias and it is unfortunate that the forces that play in militant politics exist, but heck since when has it been a free world? It is a police state run by the political ambitions of he who holds the most might. Of course you can abandon this notion and acheive "freedom" but in the world it leaves you.
No drugs? That's odd, maybe they will make some connections in jail. It is unfortunate when the thugs arn't on payroll, serving society? Who's society? Twisted bastards.
What I don't get about gangs is how they mark themselves for identification, it just seems lacking of intellegence.
They do what they do I geuss, but you can't say theyre terrorists they wear their uniforms ALL the time.
I understand it is just what people beleive is righ, no offence it just seems negligent, what is an offense, POLTITICS? Such a thin line between cherry picking and winning, where my cows at? WHSPH
Now to say something that ins't obvious, all this intellegence gathering if tough work we can't just arrest everyone we don't like... or can we.. time give it time.
BIG BROTHER YOU HAVE FAILED me *shivers*
MUST START gang that tatoes little cutesy panda bear on a beach ball.. that'll make em all looks stopid, panda bear gang strikes again. anyway /endrant
How ignorant can you be??? You people act as if MS-13 is only a problem here. MS-13 is a bigger problem in Central and South America then it is here. I have faced accusations from people here saying that I am a MS-13 member just because I'm from El Salvador. Thats just ridiculous. You people have 2 understand that these people have had a rough past with the Civil War killing more then 20% of our population (70,000 people). Now they want to make immigration laws STRICTER then they already are for people coming from Latin America?? Bush needs to take his head out of his ass and think for once in his life. Same problems Americans face..Latinos, especially Salvadorans, face, too.
AGREED there hespanics, blacks ,asians ect. face the same damn problems
Good rant, but missed completely.
America's Most Dangerous Gang
There was a time when people stood up against evil men. When the murderers were hung in town square for every one to see. A time when a man was either for this country or not. When Pearl harbor was attacked, we responded with nuclear force and the situation was solved. When the nazi's were doing their genocide tour, the world stood up together and crushed them. There was a time when the word Community, meant somthing. Human trash like MS13 parade up and down your streets, threatining your children and you stand idol. Teenagers beeing mutilated with machettes, police officers being assasinated. Fogrein terrorists murdering by the thousands. And what do americans complain about the most? Gas prices. What do they focus on? American Idol. I am ashamed to live under the same flag as these so-called Americans. I long for the day when the average american has a back bone and does somthing about it. I long for the day that the average american decides to quit depending an incapable (or unwilling) government to act. YOU, my fellow americans are the ones who are going to have to do somthing about it. The United States is THE LARGEST consumer of cocaine in the world. Our government beat the Nazi's....but it cant beat a drug dealer? Do you realy believe that you and the government have the same goal on that subject? The most powerful nation to ever exist, and we cant beat a street gang? This is a load of crap and it is not the america that they advertise. You know what I think. I think its time for EVERY american to man up. Every one has alot of hard talk, but no follow through. The average american is scared. The average american is too affraid of true sacrafice. Too affraid to give what it will take to get this country back on track. And most hide behind the excuse that, our ancestors made those sacrafices so we wouldnt have to. Well, ya know what, the corruption, hate, tyrrany and the totolitarianism is back. Now what.What will we do? Sit around, point fingers and stick peices of paper in a box to pitt against each other to see who has the right to make the next lame attempt. Yeah, I can see our modern society doing that, before standing up for itself. I believe in what america used to be, what it once was, and what it still could be.....but what it is......what we have let it become, is not looking too pretty. YOU decide whether or not MS 13 will strike fear into your community! You decide whether or not that dope dealer will stand on YOUR street corner! YOU decide what happens to those who terrorize your community! YOU are america. You are free. Act like it. You are now free to go back to watching the simple life.
And just wondering, exactly how many are illegal aliens?
No, we don't need to close the borders...
Teach your kids early, and often that skill-at-arms is an indispensible support of Freedom, and knowing who to kill, when, why, and what to tell the Judge later, are all presonal duties that come with the territory.
And DO NOTE I said "kill"; if your plan is not to guarantee that the target meets God NOW, don't even bother pulling your piece. Artsy, fartsy shoot-to-disable moves are pure Hollywood, and the first step toward missing your target entirely, which -- when it really counts -- is likely to get you good and dead.
Determine to kill the assailant, or just plan to be a good little victim -- like ones in the obituaries.