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America's Most Dangerous Gang - MS13 - Violent, Vicious, and Spreading Fast.
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Posted on 02/20/2005 10:53:56 AM PST by Happy2BMe

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To: Happy2BMe

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36676-2005Feb18.html

Murder Trial Offers a Rare Look at Gang
Expert Witness Describes Lives Filled With Violence

By Ruben Castaneda
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 20, 2005; Page LZ16

A member of the Fairfax County police gang unit testified at a recent murder trial in Prince George's Circuit Court and offered a rare glimpse into the workings of Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, the Latino gang with an estimated 3,000 members in Northern Virginia.

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51 posted on 02/20/2005 11:50:40 AM PST by maggief
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To: Happy2BMe

We don't have an illegal immigration problem. Washington tells us so.


52 posted on 02/20/2005 11:51:04 AM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

No. It is a big problem and it is going to get worse before it gets better because it is hard to catch them and prosecute them. People don't want to testify.

It is like the terrorism. It will get worse until we get good at fighting it. But our police are trying.


53 posted on 02/20/2005 11:51:09 AM PST by Snapple
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To: MoJo2001
My Samoan side of the family has lost 4 boys to gangs.

Oh, MoJo, you know it, I know it, so many of our FReeper friends know it...

When is the human toll going to make a difference in the hallowed halls of Washington?

54 posted on 02/20/2005 11:51:30 AM PST by HiJinx (www .ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~ February 15 - March 4, 2005)
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To: Chef Dajuan

that "mob" only exists in hollywood movies now. its all but gone from the drug business.


55 posted on 02/20/2005 11:51:51 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Chef Dajuan

No such thing anymore...except for internet porn and credit card scams. That's their new biz.


56 posted on 02/20/2005 11:52:50 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Joe 6-pack; Happy2BMe
celebrating diversity ......

..... the MS 13 way

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57 posted on 02/20/2005 11:53:30 AM PST by Tuba Guy (dhimmitude - live it .......... or fight it)
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To: dfwgator

"But they're only here to work." (gag)

Our diversity is our stench, taking us from the melting pot to the chamber pot.


58 posted on 02/20/2005 11:53:56 AM PST by broadsword (You don't deal with a cancer by only dealing with the cells that are painful. Cut them ALL out!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Hey, it wouldn't be the first time.

We enlisted the mob to keep East Coast ports free of sabotage during WW2, and Luciano and Genovese aided with the invasion of Sicily by getting messages to their friends in Palermo to assist US Army personnel and harass the Fascisti and the Nazis.

Didn't we also try and contract out to Sam Giancana a plot to have Fidel whacked?


59 posted on 02/20/2005 11:54:03 AM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: Snapple
But our police are trying.

That's the problem, we need the Marines, not the police to take care of this problem.

60 posted on 02/20/2005 11:54:28 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Rome2000
And ya think these gangs move to these areas because exactly this reason. I do.
61 posted on 02/20/2005 11:55:45 AM PST by ezoeni
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To: Snapple

Rudy Giulinai reduced crime and the murder rate in NYC by dramatic levels - not through "prosecution" and "testimony" - but with aggressive policing. the police are not on offense in these sleepy suburbs like Fairfax and Nassau County. if you call them, they come and take the report, otherwise they write traffic tickets all day for the most part.

you need aggressive policing to make a dent in this - shake em down, bust them, stop them in the street and frisk them, and if they pull a gun - shoot a couple of them.


62 posted on 02/20/2005 11:56:06 AM PST by oceanview
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To: dfwgator

Get real. What are you going to do, blow up the high school? Pizza Hut? The Safeway?

You have to have evidence.

You have to educate the community and the kids.


63 posted on 02/20/2005 11:56:58 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Paul_Denton
Second amendment yea, right, try carrying a hand gun without all the proper government paper, paying all the government fees, having an government approved gun and government approved amuntinsion. And only at government approve places. The second amendment is dead.
64 posted on 02/20/2005 11:56:59 AM PST by jpsb
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To: international american

Just doing the crimes native Americans won't do.


65 posted on 02/20/2005 11:58:13 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Happy2BMe

With tats like that,they can't be to hard to spot.


66 posted on 02/20/2005 11:59:03 AM PST by thombo
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To: oceanview

Let me tell you something. We have Al Qaeda cells here. The police are working with the FBI and the Homeland Security. I live 5 minutes from the Pentagon.

They are not writing tickets all day. They are spying on everything.


67 posted on 02/20/2005 11:59:41 AM PST by Snapple
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Great tagline.


68 posted on 02/20/2005 11:59:52 AM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: thombo

The smarter ones don't wear the tatoos or the blue and white clothes. You can't go by that.


69 posted on 02/20/2005 12:00:32 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Happy2BMe

MS-13 is flooding into New England...they are all over the north shore of Boston. These savages are more of a threat to Americans than al-Qaeda could ever hope to be, and should be dealt with swiftly and harshly.


70 posted on 02/20/2005 12:00:54 PM PST by who knows what evil? (If arrogance was beauty, New England women would be supermodels!)
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To: Snapple

the average beat cop is not hunting Al Qaeda all day. a few of them might be, perhaps more because of your proximity to the Pentagon. But I can assure you, on long island, they aren't battling terrorism.


71 posted on 02/20/2005 12:02:02 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/police31.htm

Gang education.


72 posted on 02/20/2005 12:02:37 PM PST by Snapple
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To: All
As our Republican local morning conservative talk show hosts says, "Stop the knuckle-dragging pot and pan banging antics like Move America Forward's "Hold Their Feet to the Fire" ILLEGAL immigration protests in Washington, D.C. this coming April. Give the President's Guest Workers a chance."

Surely even the "cheap" labor mainline Republicans will allow citizens to express opposition to this gang. The Rats won't but is "cheap" labor that important to these commerce-above-all-else neo-Rockefeller Republicans?

A little sarcasm but what say the immigrant "rights" industry. Is it screaming Xenophobes!

73 posted on 02/20/2005 12:04:20 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: oceanview

http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/news/2005/05042.htm

See this about an upcoming Gang Summit.

Well, we are fighting gangs and it is in the papers that this Salvadorian gang was seen with Al Qaeda. They are on it in Fairfax.

What you are reading about it is probably coming from the Fairfax Police.


74 posted on 02/20/2005 12:05:49 PM PST by Snapple
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To: oceanview

I say any member of gang like M13- gets a one-way ticket to Gitmo with the other terrorists.


75 posted on 02/20/2005 12:06:11 PM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: HiJinx

eeeeEE-YUP!


76 posted on 02/20/2005 12:07:43 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: oceanview

Fairfax County Office of Public Affairs
12000 Government Center Parkway, Suite 551
Fairfax, VA 22035-0065
703-324-3187, TTY 703-324-2935, FAX 703-324-2010

Feb. 10, 2005

Fairfax County Gang Prevention
Summit Will Be Held on Friday, Feb. 25
On Friday, Feb. 25, community groups, elected officials and county government employees will converge on the Fairfax County Government Center to discuss gang prevention, intervention and suppression. This summit will focus on coordinating existing gang prevention and intervention efforts between county government, schools and community groups.

Sponsored by the Fairfax County Council on Gang Prevention, the talks will be structured around a recommended gang-prevention model. This model, created by the U.S. Department of Justice, offers a structure for coordinating prevention and intervention programs by government and community groups. While other jurisdictions across the country use this model, Fairfax County is one of the first in the region to use it.

Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairman Gerald E. Connolly, Fairfax County Police Chief David Rohrer, and Fairfax County Public School Superintendent Jack Dale, Ph.D., will address participants. These officials will highlight the county’s and public schools’ prevention and intervention efforts and the current gang situation.

“Fairfax County is one of the safest communities in the nation. The presence of gangs in our region is the one cloud on the horizon,” said Connolly, who considers the issue one of his top priorities. “Gang prevention is a law enforcement issue, but it is not just a law enforcement issue. We need coordinated, community-based prevention and intervention efforts — and that’s the purpose of this summit. We’re bringing together residents, community organizations and government agencies — many of whom have programs already in place — to talk to each other, coordinate resources and attack this problem from all directions.”

The summit, which will run will held from 8:30 a.m. – 12:30 p.m., is open to members of the public and the media. However, because of space limitations, those interested in participating are requested to register online by Friday, Feb. 18. Visit www.fairfaxcounty.gov/gangprevention/summit.htm to register, or to get more information about the summit. For reasonable ADA accommodations, please contact Captain Amy Lubas at 703-324-8786, TTY 711.

The model presented at the summit is based upon social science research into why youth join gangs. Created by the federal Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, the model is established on the idea that no single program can end gang violence. Therefore, it addresses prevention, intervention and suppression. Five interrelated components are outlined in the model: mobilizing the community, providing opportunities, social intervention, gang suppression, and organizational change and development.

At the summit, participants also will discuss how the model could be used cost effectively to create new programs or expand existing ones. Programs such as public awareness initiatives, community involvement, law enforcement endeavors and after-school programs will be discussed.

The Fairfax County Coordinating Council on Gang Prevention was established by the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors. The council is responsible for the coordination and oversight of the county’s gang prevention and intervention efforts, and the group reports directly to the Board of Supervisors. The council was founded on the premise that gang prevention requires a community-based approach.

For media inquiries about the summit or the council only, please contact Captain Amy Lubas, acting council coordinator, at 703-324-8786, TTY 711. Members of the media interested in covering the summit are requested to register online, or contact the Office of Public Affairs at 703-324-3187, TTY 711.


77 posted on 02/20/2005 12:08:39 PM PST by Snapple
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To: jpsb

They have no interest in, nor any respect for this country. They are here to get rich by robbery, rape and pillaging. This is just the tip of the iceberg, I believe.


78 posted on 02/20/2005 12:08:50 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: dfwgator

BTTT


79 posted on 02/20/2005 12:09:53 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: HiJinx

It will affect the "hallowed" halls of Washington when members of their own families are affected. Until then, it's business as usual.


80 posted on 02/20/2005 12:10:22 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: Snapple

IMHO

The best way to protect against gangs in your family is to ensure that a FATHER is present in the life of young children. The effects of having a father that is in your face everyday and cares enough to punish you cannot be stated enough.

I'm living proof of this.


81 posted on 02/20/2005 12:12:14 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: dfwgator

Gangs are now a fact of life in the USA, law enforcement will do NOTHING. Where I live there are a least a dozen gang killings every years and I live in a little town. Also all the local gangs are imported from south of the border. And as we all know the government will not do anything to stop the flow. Seems no price that you and I have to paid is to high as long as the ruling class gets it's cheap labor.


82 posted on 02/20/2005 12:12:16 PM PST by jpsb
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To: who knows what evil?

"MS-13 is flooding into New England...they are all over the north shore of Boston. These savages are more of a threat to Americans than al-Qaeda could ever hope to be, and should be dealt with swiftly and harshly."

He he....the Feds allow massive illegal immigration, and when the individual states cry foul, the Feds say it's a state problem.



83 posted on 02/20/2005 12:12:42 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Snapple
I will agree with part of your post. I believe police are trying. But I also believe many local, state and federal politicians up to our Executive Branch are not giving them the potentent, full tools they need, and they are also handicapped in many cases by Democrat-Republican Establishment political correctness/Open Borders Policy/ACLU Excessive Rights for Criminals, and the lack to actually engage in a successful war that pulls together all the resources, in fact the strategic mindset, that we are more than happy as an international military power to utilize in foreign battles but somehow cannot bring ourselves to engage in when terrorism like this is right on our own soil.

I would say that in that sense, your Northern Virginia, just as the other communities mentioned in this thread, will continue to suffer even more illegal immigrant violence by former Central American paramilitaries now operating on US soil, such as Mara Salvatrucha, despite 'how hard the police work'. And that is unfair to both the police and the citizenry.

84 posted on 02/20/2005 12:12:51 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: jpsb

"Seems no price that you and I have to paid is to high as long as the ruling class gets it's cheap labor."

Amen, brother!!



85 posted on 02/20/2005 12:13:43 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: MoJo2001
The best way to protect against gangs in your family is to ensure that a FATHER is present in the life of young children.

That's great and all that, but this is the real world. How are you going to force fathers to stay with their kids. And I don't think being fatherless should be used as an excuse, this has been thrown around so much, that in essence it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy. Plenty of children without fathers, don't end up in gangs.

86 posted on 02/20/2005 12:15:00 PM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

"I would say that in that sense, your Northern Virginia, just as the other communities mentioned in this thread, will continue to suffer even more illegal immigrant violence by former Central American paramilitaries now operating on US soil, such as Mara Salvatrucha, despite 'how hard the police work'. And that is unfair to both the police and the citizenry."

The police by and large, do their best. They are ignored by DC. How bad will it get before there is a public outcry?
How many innocent people must be robbed, raped, and murdered?


87 posted on 02/20/2005 12:17:10 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: MoJo2001
Most of them are in safe, gated communities in Bethesda, Chevy Chase, McLean or Northwest D.C., so they aren't going to do jackshit.

And in many a congressional district, it means even more Democrat VOTES, (if one can stand for Open Borders).

Occasionally a Congressman gets mugged on Capitol Hill heading for a townhouse there. But that is your normal, inner city D.C. crime. Nope, unless some Congressmen's immediate family have direct dealings with a crazed, machete-wielding, Maryland driver's license-carrying, Salvadorean illegal alien in good standing in the Maras, hey man, don't expect much to happen to help the rest of us here in "fly over country" who have to put up with this neverending guano.

88 posted on 02/20/2005 12:19:37 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: Happy2BMe

One of these days, they'll have to bring in foreign troops to clean up the gang problem.


89 posted on 02/20/2005 12:21:20 PM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: dfwgator

You don't have to force a Dad to stay with his kids. A dad will just do it.

Many military kids have fathers that are constantly away. I can tell you that most military kids aren't out there committing these crimes.

As I stated before, the best way to ensure that your children don't become involved in gangs is to have a father in the "house".

You are correct that many children without fathers grow up without committing crimes. However, it's a tougher road for them without one. Even if they don't have a father, I'm sure many had great role models. If not, then God bless them for living up to the life they were given.


90 posted on 02/20/2005 12:21:41 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Exactly. When harm comes their way, and it will eventually, will the rest of us be around to feel bad for them? I think not.


91 posted on 02/20/2005 12:23:10 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: MoJo2001

That's the way it's always been. And not just in our own country.


93 posted on 02/20/2005 12:24:22 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: Happy2BMe
Another reason to hate tattoos—they make one look like a violent lowlife. Why do so many high school and university students want to look like gang members?
94 posted on 02/20/2005 12:24:37 PM PST by Logophile
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To: MoJo2001

They will be LONG GONE before that. Probably escaped to New Zealand or Fiji in retirement.


95 posted on 02/20/2005 12:25:21 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: Logophile

Could it be that (c)rap music glorifies gang banging?


96 posted on 02/20/2005 12:26:47 PM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: itsmyboy

Because that is a crime and our police aren't terrorists.


97 posted on 02/20/2005 12:28:52 PM PST by Snapple
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To: dfwgator
Could it be that (c)rap music glorifies gang banging?

You may have a point. Too much of the popular "culture" (if it can be called that) glorifies criminality.
98 posted on 02/20/2005 12:29:17 PM PST by Logophile
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I'm glad you responded.
Here's something I've wondered about Japan.
I thought I had read somewhere (years ago) that Japan had many labor type jobs that the Japanese wouldn't take. With that, they eventually outsourced most of those jobs. According the article, the Japanese have been paying the price for it ever since. Was that article true? I've always been very curious about it.

Thank you.


99 posted on 02/20/2005 12:30:15 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

They don't want to go to New Zealand. They have their own gang issues. The difference? The brown folks ain't shorties like those south of the border. Hehe!


100 posted on 02/20/2005 12:31:45 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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