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Scientists Take Aim at White House (Lib Scientist Whine Alert)
AP/MSNBC ^ | 02/20/2005 | AP

Posted on 02/20/2005 8:04:58 PM PST by drt1

WASHINGTON - The voice of science is being stifled in the Bush administration, with fewer scientists heard in policy discussions and money for research and advanced training being cut, according to panelists at a national science meeting.

Speakers at the national meeting of the American Association for Advancement of Science expressed concern Sunday that some scientists in key federal agencies are being ignored or even pressured to change study conclusions that don’t support policy positions.

The speakers also said that Bush’s proposed 2005 federal budget is slashing spending for basic research and reducing investments in education designed to produce the nation’s future scientists....

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; cry; research; science; scientists; whine; whitehouse
More money, more attention - Sounds like Kindergarten to me.
1 posted on 02/20/2005 8:05:05 PM PST by drt1
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To: drt1

Has it been slashed ? or have increases been reduced ?


2 posted on 02/20/2005 8:06:38 PM PST by stylin19a (Marines - end of discussion)
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To: drt1

The only people stiffling real science are the globull fear mongers. All this fear is based on easily manipulated computers models.


3 posted on 02/20/2005 8:09:35 PM PST by Always Right
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To: stylin19a

Not clear from the article. NASA apparently has an overall increase but the allocation is irritating some.


4 posted on 02/20/2005 8:09:38 PM PST by drt1
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To: drt1

Nothing in the article said anything about liberals. Your title modification is yellow journalism at its worst.


5 posted on 02/20/2005 8:13:40 PM PST by Rudder
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To: drt1
Many phony-baloney jobs and projects hang in the balance.

You ever take a piglet away from it's mother's teats? Sounds about the same......

6 posted on 02/20/2005 8:13:52 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: Rudder

Are you serious?


7 posted on 02/20/2005 8:14:52 PM PST by drt1
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To: drt1

We used to have a "CSO". I dubbed him "Chief Science Fiction Officer" - and it stuck...


8 posted on 02/20/2005 8:16:41 PM PST by GSlob
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To: stylin19a

sounds like the golden rule is being applied to the scientific suckling piglets who have denied funding for cold fusion since 1989, ain't payback a bitch?


9 posted on 02/20/2005 8:20:38 PM PST by timer
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To: Rudder
As far as one could get it, the article (or 70% of it at the least) deals with greenpissing complaints by scientists. Thus the characterization as liberals (aren't greenpissers liberals, and vice versa?) has merit.
10 posted on 02/20/2005 8:21:05 PM PST by GSlob
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To: drt1

Both the process and the products of science will improve when the scientists must compete in the marketplace of ideas.


11 posted on 02/20/2005 8:23:13 PM PST by spinestein
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To: GSlob
The repetition of the statements that science is skewed to Admin policies or statements counter to those policies are stifled would logically lead one to a reasoned assumption that the speakers aren't Administration supporters and are actually opponents. Hence - Lib.
12 posted on 02/20/2005 8:26:03 PM PST by drt1
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To: drt1
[The voice of science is being stifled in the Bush administration...]

This is code, meant to imply the President Bush and his administration are a bunch of religious zealots who will ramrod right-wing religious polices (anti-abortion, anti-gay-marriage, etc.). It is first and foremost meant to unify and activate the Democrat Party whack-job base. Next intended to fool the masses. IMO, the Bush Admin should counter with a well publicized, pro-science and exploration policy statement.

13 posted on 02/20/2005 8:26:44 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (This just in from CBS: "There is no bias at CBS")
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To: GSlob

Didn't read the part thast wasn't excerpted since there's no requirement that MSNBC be excerpted. From what you posted, nothing is mentioned about the scientists' political leanings.
Science is the bulwark of our country's competitive edge, and it's in the country's interest that we support it.


14 posted on 02/20/2005 8:30:59 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Always Right
The Flat Earth Society prognosticating about lack of focus on science. Laughable. It's no wonder more and more they are being regarded as the "Loony Left" by rational folks.
15 posted on 02/20/2005 8:32:45 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (This just in from CBS: "There is no bias at CBS")
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To: Rudder

I work with these folks all the time. Clamoring and howling for funding is Science 101. The eco-whackos and other anti-business, anti-capitalist, anti-USA groups will howl the loudest now, as their funding (rightfuly) is re-allocated. IMO, I'd rather see EPA funding go to border control.


16 posted on 02/20/2005 8:43:03 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (This just in from CBS: "There is no bias at CBS")
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Nothing in the post says anything about eco-whackos or environmental science. If that is what this post is about, then the title should have contained something about this particular topic. To me, environmental science is like ethnic studies...a waste of time and money for politically correct reasons.


17 posted on 02/20/2005 8:52:51 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
Lighten up, Francis.

That organization of scientists mentioned in the article is the same group that came out with that "definitive" Global Warming Study that was oh so conveniently timed to coincide with the start of Kyoto this week.

I think it's appropriate to stick the word "Liberal" in parenthesis next to the title of the article.

Sorry if that clashes with your hypersensitive view of journalistic ethics.

That's irrelevant. This is a news and DISCUSSION site, not a newspaper.
18 posted on 02/20/2005 8:53:16 PM PST by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: drt1

Translation - NIH et al want more government money to conduct much needed research on the mating habits and arousal patterns of midget, lesbian, native-americans with one blue eye and one green eye.


19 posted on 02/20/2005 8:55:38 PM PST by deepFR
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To: deepFR

Sounds like a vital, meritorious subject of study that warrants copious quantities of our tax dollars to conduct. Please send me the bill. /sarc


20 posted on 02/20/2005 9:01:16 PM PST by drt1
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To: drt1

I know my checks in the mail as well


21 posted on 02/20/2005 9:05:50 PM PST by deepFR
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To: drt1

Should read -- Boy who cried wolf alert. Do liberals think anyone in this country takes them seriously anymore? The gig is up.


22 posted on 02/20/2005 9:11:50 PM PST by max_rpf
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To: Rudder

Oh come on. The article reeks of left-wing environmental propaganda and POV. One could peg the author's intent within ten seconds. Need I provide specific references? I'd rather you re-read the article, as this wouldn't waste my time.


23 posted on 02/20/2005 9:15:03 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (This just in from CBS: "There is no bias at CBS")
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
The voice of science is being stifled in the Bush administration..

Pseudo-Science (that which calls itself science, but fails to adhere to the scientific method) has become the religion of the humanist. Funny how they demand separation of church and state - except when it is their church. Then they not only demand endorsement of their faith, but the power to rob you to fill their offering plates.

24 posted on 02/20/2005 9:41:08 PM PST by DaveyB (Java - it's more than starbucks!)
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To: Rudder
Be careful. Don't spend too much time here, or an odd thought might creep into your noggin: just because something's in our country's interest doesn't mean it's in our interest to have the federal government do it.
25 posted on 02/20/2005 10:24:07 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (Welcome home, Vietnam Vets.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

You're right. We should let the other countries do scientific research and save our money.


26 posted on 02/20/2005 10:33:06 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
Still having a little trouble with the notion that we is not the same as the federal government, are we?

Still haven't noticed that capitalism and private enterprise work rather well, huh?

... better than huge bureaucracies, that's for sure.

27 posted on 02/20/2005 11:01:08 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (Welcome home, Vietnam Vets.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

If the government doesn't fund basic research, it won't be done. But, I'm a scientist and place value on basic research and thus, biased in this regard. If you don't want to see basic research done in this country start a petition to get a law for the government to stop. In the long run the consequences would be disasterous.


28 posted on 02/20/2005 11:16:35 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
Bull hockey. Maybe less, or in different areas, but not zilch.

You seem to have concluded that since I don't want as much government money spent here, that I want to totally eliminate all basic research from America, in all forms.

This reminds me of the fear mongering rhetoric I hear from the 'Rats over Social Security reform.

29 posted on 02/21/2005 12:01:37 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (Welcome home, Vietnam Vets.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Okay, you're the expert on science.


30 posted on 02/21/2005 12:08:06 AM PST by Rudder
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