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Iraq marshes(Biblical Eden) can be partially restored
Financial Times(subscription) ^

Posted on 02/21/2005 7:04:50 AM PST by Alex Marko

The fabled marshes of Mesopotamia, largely destroyed by Saddam Hussein in one of the worst pieces of ecological vandalism in recent history, can be partially restored, scientists said on Sunday.

The first scientific assessment of the marshes in southern Iraq, al considered by some to have been the Biblical location of the Garden of Eden, was presented to the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Washington.

Saddam's drainage programme - accompanied by the persecution and forced relocation of the Marsh Arabs who had lived there for 5,000 years - reduced the wetlands to 7 per cent of their original 20,000 sq km area. But some of the former marshland is already recovering, following the actions of local people who broke down Saddam's dikes and dams after his regime fell in 2003.

The study by US, Canadian and Iraqi scientists showed a surprising rapid return of plants and wildlife to the areas that have been reflooded by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. "The quality of the river water turns out to be much higher than many people had expected," said Curtis Richardson of Duke University in North Carolina, the study leader.

"Immediately after [the overthrow of Saddam] we saw just a dozen birds in the marshes," Prof Richardson said. "A year later, there were hundreds and now they are talking about many thousands."

The marshes were once an important resting point for waterfowl migrating between Siberia and Africa. The local otter species, which survived in the small area of the marshes along the Iranian border that were not drained, is also making a come-back.

Barry Warner, a botanist at the University of Waterloo in Canada, said: "There are encouraging signs that a vibrant and healthy plant community will re-establish itself in the newly wetted areas."

Because the marshes were drained only recently - mainly during the 1990s as Saddam took revenge on the Shia Marsh Arabs for their failed insurrection after the first Gulf War - many desiccated areas retain a large and viable seedbed.

But the scientists said a sustained international effort would be needed to support Iraqis' efforts to turn the current ad-hoc flooding into a sustainable long-term revival. Peter Reiss, director of the US Agency for International Development's marshland restoration project, said: "Within Iraq the destruction of the marshes has become a symbol of the oppression by Saddam's regime."

Most Iraqis support restoration, but there is no consensus about how much of the marshes to restore permanently given the competing demands for scarce water. Prof Richardson said 30 per cent would be a reasonable target.

Plans by Turkey and Iran to take more water from the Tigris and Euphrates rivers also pose a long-term threat to marshland restoration.

Even the Marsh Arabs have somewhat ambivalent attitudes about restoration of the wetlands. Their population, estimated at 350,000 in 1950, is now little more than 100,000, none of whom are living in their original homes, Mr Reiss said. Their traditional way of life, documented by Wilfred Thesiger, Gavin Maxwell and other authors, was based on fishing, water buffalo herding and reed cutting. This is virtually extinct today and most of the remaining Marsh Arabs are impoverished sedentary farmers. But according to Mr Reiss, many of them feel it will be impossible to recreate their way of life and would prefer outside investment in conventional agriculture.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: eden; environment; gardenofeden; iraq; marsh; marsharabs; mesopotamia; saddam
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To: Lurking2Long

It's biblical!


21 posted on 02/21/2005 7:47:40 AM PST by dcnd9
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To: Mathemagician

> The question is impossible to answer, because no information is available about prevailing ocean currents during the flood.

Ah, but there's a problem. If the account is literal fact, then the Creationists would be right and the topography of the world was altered drastically... the Grand Canyon was carved, the continents and mountains raised, the seabeds sunk, etc. There's nothing sedate about this. The Ark woulda got blowed all over hell and gone.


22 posted on 02/21/2005 7:49:30 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: Mathemagician

If you change "Moses" to "Noah" I agree with your post. :o)


23 posted on 02/21/2005 7:51:18 AM PST by ohioWfan (W.........STILL the President!!)
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To: Alex Marko
But the scientists said a sustained international effort would be needed to support Iraqis' efforts to turn the current ad-hoc flooding into a sustainable long-term revival.

Scientist-speak for "we need grant money".

As big of an environment wrecker as Saddam was you'd think the Greenies would have marched on Baghdad themselves but I guess hating America comes first. Should I wait for them to thank President Bush for saving the marshes?

24 posted on 02/21/2005 7:51:30 AM PST by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: orionblamblam
But as a typical anti-Creationist, you ignore the power of the Creator to do as He wills.

(That explains the sarcasm/cynicism of your first post).

26 posted on 02/21/2005 7:52:39 AM PST by ohioWfan (W.........STILL the President!!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Quix
Plans by Turkey and Iran to take more water from the Tigris and Euphrates rivers also pose a long-term threat to marshland restoration.
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This could get real interesting not just to the marshland but the whole area.
27 posted on 02/21/2005 7:55:21 AM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (Character exalts Liberty and Freedom, Righteous exalts a Nation.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Exactly my point.

Just like leftists don't really care about human rights. Otherwise they would have been on the bandwagon to liberate the brutally oppressed Iraqis, and not be living in a land of make believe where they say the Iraqis were peacefully flying kites until the bad old American soldiers came and killed them.........

They don't care a thing about anything but power and leftist extremist ideology.

28 posted on 02/21/2005 7:55:53 AM PST by ohioWfan (W.........STILL the President!!)
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To: orionblamblam

Well, a lot of archaeological evidence shows that the Bible was reasonably accurate. We know that modern western civilization got its start in that region (I regard Genesis as describing the beginnings of modern man, the end of a very long process) and many cultures from the region describe a cataclysmic flood that covered the entire world known to the people there.


29 posted on 02/21/2005 8:04:47 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: orionblamblam
Genesis 2:10-14

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold...13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

Can't say as I can tell whether the garden was at the top or bottom of the Tigris/Euphrates system but, according to scripture, this is why Eden was not in Jersey.

30 posted on 02/21/2005 8:09:44 AM PST by AnOldCowhand (The west is dead. You may lose a sweetheart, but you will never forget her - Charles Russell)
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To: Alex Marko

I doubt the Garden was that confined. There were rivers running through it and all sorts of animals for Adam to name. It's a tribute to Man's basic flaws that Adam hung around the one tree, in the one area where he could get into trouble...


31 posted on 02/21/2005 8:59:21 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: ohioWfan

> as a typical anti-Creationist, you ignore the power of the Creator to do as He wills.

Hardly. I do not ignore the power of the Cretor to create the world over a dozen billion years of stellar evolution and to create the diversity of life on Earth via evolution.

It just seems odd that God seems to favor one small, geologically and ecologically unimpressive region of the world over all others...


32 posted on 02/21/2005 8:59:53 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

YUP.

Especially given that THE BIBLE speaks of such rivers being dried up in the end times. . . . that the KING OF THE EAST have an easier time invading toward Israel.

stay tuned . . .


33 posted on 02/21/2005 9:06:39 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: AnOldCowhand

> The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.


OK, fair enough. However, two things:

1: How certain are you that these are the *same* rivers, and not just re-named new ones? (Note that there is a Cairo in Illinois, a Memphis in Tennessee, a Moscow in Idaho, and several Paris' across the States.)

2: And if they *are* the same rivers, that pretty much blows the whole "the Earth was remade by the flood" arguement.


34 posted on 02/21/2005 9:12:03 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: Quix

> rivers being dried up ... easier time invading toward Israel.

Rivers do not present obstacles to invasions anymore. There are these things called "airplanes..."


35 posted on 02/21/2005 9:13:01 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam

No.


36 posted on 02/21/2005 9:38:14 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: orionblamblam

But, the Bible suggests they'll be riding on horses.


37 posted on 02/21/2005 9:50:07 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: orionblamblam
Oooh! Ooooh!! Can we then berate anyone who learns from it?

cute.
38 posted on 02/21/2005 10:00:02 AM PST by reagan_fanatic ("Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence" - R. Kirk)
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To: monkeywrench

> the Bible suggests they'll be riding on horses.

Well, good luck with that. I bet the IDF will have a fun time taking on horse-mounted cavalry with Apaches, F-16's and Merkavas.


39 posted on 02/21/2005 10:01:24 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
1: How certain are you that these are the *same* rivers, and not just re-named new ones? (Note that there is a Cairo in Illinois, a Memphis in Tennessee, a Moscow in Idaho, and several Paris' across the States.)

Admittedly, Scripture is silent so, no, I cannot be certain. You have me there.

2: And if they *are* the same rivers, that pretty much blows the whole "the Earth was remade by the flood" arguement.

What is remade? If the Colorado river in Arizona was once a babbling brook through verdant pastures and some 'event' turned it into what it is now, then I would say it has been remade, yet it is still the Colorado. (No that example isn't based on anyone's theories...it just works).

40 posted on 02/21/2005 10:01:47 AM PST by AnOldCowhand (The west is dead. You may lose a sweetheart, but you will never forget her - Charles Russell)
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