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Cosmic rays may reveal pre-Aztec tomb secrets
UK Telegraph ^ | 2/21/05 | Nic Fleming

Posted on 02/21/2005 6:26:33 PM PST by wagglebee

Scientists are using cosmic ray detectors to uncover the secrets of the earliest large metropolis of the Americas.

Archaeologists and nuclear physicists are working together to measure the passage of muons, subatomic particles from deep space, through the 2,000-year-old Pyramid of the Sun to discover whether it was a mausoleum or a ceremonial monument.

They believe the experiment will lead them to burial chambers, the American Association for the Advancement of Science conference was told. Many experts believe that the pyramid, the third largest in the world, holds the mysteries of the pre-Aztec Teotihuacan civilisation.

Arturo Menchaca-Rocha, the director of the physics institute at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, is leading a team using muon detectors in a tunnel 26ft below the base of the 215ft-tall pyramid.

Dr Menchaca-Rocha said: "In spite of its fame, little is known about this, one of the largest pyramids in the Americas, or even about the people who built it 2,000 years ago. Excavations have shown no identifiable internal structures of the kind uncovered in the nearby Pyramid of the Moon, which are also a relatively common feature in other pre-hispanic monuments in Mesoamerica.

"It has been a long-standing archaeological question as to whether the pyramid might have been used as a burial place.

"It is the perfect place for such as experiment. If we detect more particles than expected coming from one part of the building, it means that there must be a hole in that direction."

The ancient city of Teotihuacan, whose first inhabitants settled in the area as far back as 800BC, was the first large metropolis in the Mesoamerica.

It became the capital of a complex civilisation, which at its peak was made of up of an estimated 100,000 people, that lasted until it was abandoned around the seventh century for unknown reasons. Numerous excavations have failed to shed light on who founded and governed the city.

When the Aztecs found it empty, they decided the whole area was inhabited by supernatural beings. Teotihuacan means "place of the gods" in Nahuatl, the Aztec's native tongue.

Archaeologists have been unable to uncover the original name of the city. Nor do they know who founded the civilisation, how it was government and why the city was abandoned.

The stepped Pyramid of the Sun, 740ft on each side and 215ft high, was built in the second century AD. In spite of its importance, excavations have failed to answer the pyramid's central mystery - was it a mausoleum or a ceremonial monument. Archaelogists believe the keys to shedding light on the origins and political leadership of Teotihuacan civilisation could lie in burial chambers deep inside the giant pyramid.

The interaction of cosmic rays with the atmosphere creates a continuous shower of muons - tiny, charged particles that travel dozens of miles in the millionth of a second that they exist.

They strike the Earth's surface at a rate of about 10,000 per square metre per minute and pass through most materials almost unhindered.

A given amount of a known material will absorb a precise proportion of muons that can be calculated and will deflect them in a particular pattern.

A muon detector, which uses thin wires to pick up electrical charges from the tiny particles, has been put in a tunnel 26ft beneath the Pyramid of the Sun. By this summer six will be in operation. The experiment will take a year.

Dr Menchaca-Rocha calculates that chambers should be present if the detector counts fewer less than 100 particles every second.

Kanetada Nagamine, of the KEK Muon Science Laboratory in Japan, told delegates at the conference about his research into using muon radiography to predict volcanic eruptions.

American researchers from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico described how they were working on using the technique to detect smuggled nuclear materials in vehicles and cargo containers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; archeology; aztecpyramids; aztecs; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; pyramidofthesun; pyramids; science
I read the title and thought they were talking about aliens in UFOs.
1 posted on 02/21/2005 6:26:33 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG ping


2 posted on 02/21/2005 6:26:50 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Aliens in Galaxy 500's?
3 posted on 02/21/2005 6:32:39 PM PST by AlbertWang
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To: wagglebee

Might be a fun science experiment in the Great Pyramid, too.


4 posted on 02/21/2005 6:36:45 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: wagglebee

Art bell where are you????!! Hahaha


5 posted on 02/21/2005 6:37:04 PM PST by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: wagglebee

wow!

" the earliest large metropolis".



i'll bet they landed a man or woman on the moon

circa 1000 a.d. (/s)


6 posted on 02/21/2005 6:39:38 PM PST by ken21 (the terrorists didn't blow up the new york times because the times supports them. /s)
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To: wagglebee; Physicist

Every once in awhile I read a post where I understand nothing.


7 posted on 02/21/2005 6:39:50 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...

Did someone say 'cosmic rays'?

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

8 posted on 02/21/2005 6:43:12 PM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: AGreatPer
They're gonna shoot a cosmic raygun at the pyramid . . . think Buck Rogers.


9 posted on 02/21/2005 6:44:08 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
That is truly ingenious. It'll be interesting to see if the technique works, and if it can be applied to other digs.
10 posted on 02/21/2005 6:48:17 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: wagglebee
Thank God for Hernan Cortez, who finally stopped the slaughter in human sacrifice the Aztecs had been practicing there for who knows how long.

How many among those pyramids who'd had their still beating hearts torn out?

Oldest "civilization". What a load.

11 posted on 02/21/2005 7:06:17 PM PST by onedoug
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To: wagglebee
The interaction of cosmic rays with the atmosphere creates a continuous shower of muons - tiny, charged particles that travel dozens of miles in the millionth of a second that they exist.

Hmmm. That would mean that they're travelling at least 129 times the speed of light.

12 posted on 02/21/2005 7:24:40 PM PST by Erasmus (Ferlin Hurley: "I left her behind behind me.")
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To: Graymatter; RadioAstronomer
Might be a fun science experiment in the Great Pyramid, too.

As a matter of fact, that experiment has been done. The Nobel prizewinner Luis Alvarez developed this cosmic ray technique for the pyramids of Giza.

Alvarez would bristle whenever someone said that he failed to discover any hidden chambers in the Great Pyramid. In truth, he succeeded in proving that there were no hidden chambers in the Great Pyramid.

13 posted on 02/21/2005 7:46:04 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Erasmus
Hmmm. That would mean that they're travelling at least 129 times the speed of light.

The muons have a half-life of 2.2 microseconds. At the speed of light this would give a range of only 660 m. However, at relativistic speeds, the lifetime of the muon, as we perceive it, is much longer. Given a minimal 2 GeV muon (rest mass = 0.1 GeV):

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14 posted on 02/21/2005 7:54:31 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: AGreatPer
Every once in awhile I read a post where I understand nothing.

Think of it as being just like an x-ray of your body. X-rays shine right through you, for the most part, but the denser parts of you stop more of the x-rays. That's why images of your bones show up on the film: they're dense enough to stop most of the x-rays, while your bulging biceps and rippling pectoral muscles are not.

This method doesn't work on a pyramid, because it's too dense to let any of the x-rays through. Muons, however, can do the job, because they can travel through a whole lot of matter before they stop. The denser the matter, though, the more of the muons it will stop. If there's a hollow chamber hidden away somewhere in the structure, more muons will pass through that part of the structure than if it were just solid stone.

Furthermore, muons are constantly raining down on us from the sky, so you don't need to set up a beam like you do with an x-ray machine. If you just wait long enough, you can collect enough muons to make as detailed an exposure as you like.

15 posted on 02/21/2005 7:58:57 PM PST by Physicist
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To: wagglebee
I always wondered what became of the rock band "Aztec Camera".
16 posted on 02/21/2005 8:00:09 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist

Good grief! Am I the LAST person to hear about this??!! Thank you, Physicist. I'll go catch up on the subject at once! :)


17 posted on 02/21/2005 8:05:07 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter
There's a description of it in the book Alvarez: Adventures of a Physicist by Luis Alvarez.
18 posted on 02/21/2005 8:07:03 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
You continue to amaze me. You have this way of making things a lot simpler. I guess that is why you were/are a great teacher. Hey, some people have that ability and I admire it.

BTW, I saw your full Bio the other day when you posted to that jerk. Congrats on your new endevors. And, say hello to the family for me.

19 posted on 02/21/2005 8:09:41 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: wagglebee
This was tried with thte Great Pyramid in Egypt about 15 years ago, but thte equipment of the day was not up to it and no results were reported.

So9

20 posted on 02/21/2005 8:22:47 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Physicist
? ,?would bristle whenever someone said that he failed to discover any hidden chambers in the Great Pyramid. In truth, he succeeded in proving that there were no hidden chambers in the Great Pyramid.

IIRC he worked on the "Second Pyramid". The Great Pyramid is known to have a variety of chambers but comparitively few chambers had been found in the Second Pyramid. Alvarez described in his autobiography how he received a call during the experiment that positive results had been found, but after travelling all the way back to Egypt, he found that the results were due to an experimental error known as "double binning".

21 posted on 02/21/2005 8:29:56 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Physicist

"In truth, he succeeded in proving that there were no hidden chambers in the Great Pyramid."

Waaaaah! Are too! It's just that they're lined with an alien material unknown to science that threw off his instruments.

Question: Since muons seemingly pass through everything, pretty much, how do you detect one?


22 posted on 02/21/2005 9:13:06 PM PST by dsc
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To: dsc
Question: Since muons seemingly pass through everything, pretty much, how do you detect one?

Muons have an electromagnetic charge. As they pass by atoms, they can strip off electrons. The free electrons and ionized atoms can be detected in a number of ways.

One method would be to have a series of wires held at a high voltage in some easily ionized gas, such as argon or neon. As the passing muon leaves a trail of ionized gas molecules in its wake, the molecules drift in the vicinity of the wires and are attracted to them. The charge is deposited on the wires, which gives a measurable signal on the wires. Trace a curve through the wires with signals on them, and it shows the path of the muon. This is called a wire chamber.

Another method, more common for muons, is to wait for the ions to recombine with the electrons that were stripped from them, which results in the emission of light. This process is called "scintillation". The light can then be collected with a photomultiplier tube. A typical scintillation counter would consist of a series of rods made of a very special plastic that is very clear, and which ionizes easily.

So why are muons so much better at passing through matter than other charged particles? Well, for one thing, they have a long lifetime. The only charged particles that last longer are electrons and protons. Electrons and protons do travel through matter, and can be measured by the detectors I described, but they don't go as far, and for different reasons.

Electrons have very little mass, which makes them emit energetic photons very easily (a process called "Bremsstrahlung"--German for "braking radiation"). Muons, being more than two hundred times heavier, don't do that as readily.

Protons, being heavier still, also don't suffer much Bremsstrahlung, but they are subject to the strong nuclear force. Every time a proton smacks into an atomic nucleus, it either bounces off at some angle, or it breaks the nucleus apart. Nuclei are pretty small, but there sure are a lot of them, so naturally a proton will suffer many interactions as it passes through matter. Muons, by contrast, are totally blind to this force.

23 posted on 02/21/2005 9:40:03 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist

Lord, your world is so big and my brain is so small.

Great summary. Thanks a million.

I won't ask you to turn the thread into physics 101, even though I can't for the life of me figure out why muons are blind to the strong nuclear force.


24 posted on 02/21/2005 9:44:18 PM PST by dsc
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To: wagglebee

Thanks wags, looks like blam just barely beat ya to it. :')

This one goes into the GGG catalog though, obviously, and I'll ping the other one. Thanks again!

Cosmic Rays To Solve Ancient Mexican (Pyramid) Mystery
Scotsman | 2-21-2005 | John von Radowitz
Posted on 02/21/2005 12:26:52 PM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1348047/posts


25 posted on 02/21/2005 9:56:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: wagglebee
Thanks wagglebee.
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26 posted on 02/21/2005 9:57:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: onedoug

Teotihuacan (northeast of Mexico City) where this pyramid is located existed around 200 BC to 600AD not much is known about the builders and their civilization, the Aztecs and Tenochtitlan (present day Mexico City) did not really come on the scene until 1200-1300AD. Calling the Pyramid of the Sun pre-Aztec is only correct in that it was built long before the Aztec emergence but that's the only connection.


27 posted on 02/21/2005 10:18:52 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: Physicist
You telling me I missed an entire BOOK?
*groan*
28 posted on 02/21/2005 10:36:55 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: this_ol_patriot
Well, even its having been co-opted by human sacrifice is good enough for me. As much part of what finally led the Israelites into Cannan.

Thank God they ended it.

29 posted on 02/21/2005 11:01:13 PM PST by onedoug
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To: dsc; RadioAstronomer
I can't for the life of me figure out why muons are blind to the strong nuclear force.

When you consider the elementary particles, you see that they fall into two groups: force particles that have integer spin and which carry a force (such as photons, gravitons, gluons, Z particles, and the like, collectively known as "bosons") and matter particles that have half-integer spin and which do not carry a force (collectively known as "fermions").

These fundamental fermions--the "matter" particles--are further split into two kinds: quarks and leptons. There are six kinds of quarks, and six kinds of leptons. These two groups mirror each other in all sorts of ways, so that it seems each type (or "flavor") of lepton has a corresponding flavor of quark, and vice-versa. Nobody knows why that's the case. There's some symmetry there we haven't discovered yet.

The main difference between the quark and lepton families is that the quarks carry "color" charge, while the leptons do not. The color charge is the charge associated with the strong nuclear force. If a particle has color charge, then the strong force can push it around, but if not, then the strong force has no handle on it. (This is exactly analogous to electromagnetism: if a thing is charged, then it can be moved around with an electrical field, but if it isn't, then it can't.)

So the answer to your question is this: muons are leptons, and as such, they have no color charge, so the strong nuclear force can't move them around. Protons, on the other hand, are made of quarks, so even though the protons themselves are colorless, the strong nuclear force does have a handle on the proton's constituents.

30 posted on 02/22/2005 7:26:14 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist

Once again, thanks a million.

I don't think they even knew all of that when I was in college back in the 70s.


31 posted on 02/22/2005 5:59:43 PM PST by dsc
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