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** Unauthorized Immigration To The United States (STAGGERING NUMBERS) **
Migration Policy Institute ^ | October 2003 | Elizabeth Grieco

Posted on 02/22/2005 5:05:20 PM PST by F16Fighter

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To: Dan Evans
"What kind of business are you in?"

See my profile page.

61 posted on 02/22/2005 7:24:24 PM PST by bayourod ("It's for the children" has been replaced by "It's to fight terrorists.")
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To: HighlyOpinionated
A guest worker program is a bad idea because it will immediately create a sub-class of people in the US that will be the darling of the liberals. About 1 nanosecond after the guest worker program is enacted, they will begin lobbying efforts to acquire equal rights for guest workers.

They will want voting rights, welfare, and then they will demand citizenship, and open borders.

America will then slowly morph into a third world, banana republic.

62 posted on 02/22/2005 7:26:41 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
They go where the jobs are.

Look back at the article and you will notice the growth in Arkansas. Overall, those numbers don't look to large, but in actuality, most of the illegal growth is along the state's western edge where they are processing chickens and building the boom in the NW corridor. So that growth is confined to a narrow area.

63 posted on 02/22/2005 7:26:51 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: bayourod

Illegals are a terrible negative on our culture, language, and respect for the rule of law.

Read "The Discourses" by Machiavelli. In that book he shows how a republic is quick to ruination when it fails to uphold and execute the established laws.

Our refusal to enforce the law in this area is having a terrible impact.


64 posted on 02/22/2005 7:26:54 PM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
the mexican residents have put strains on the US medical machine. They have always utilized US facilities, this is not new.

What's new is that they aren't paying. That's why they are closing down. No business closes down because it has too many paying customers.

What also is new, is that a lot of paying customers are leaving. The customers who remain are going to have to pay more to take up the slack -- except the ones who don't pay.

65 posted on 02/22/2005 7:32:09 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
"A guest worker plan is a bad idea"

We have had a guest worker program since 1952.

We have ag worker visas, non-ag worker visas, tech worker visas, nurse visas, and crew worker visas.

66 posted on 02/22/2005 7:32:10 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: chris1
"Our refusal to enforce the law in this area is having a terrible impact.

What impact? Things have never been better.

67 posted on 02/22/2005 7:33:45 PM PST by bayourod ("It's for the children" has been replaced by "It's to fight terrorists.")
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To: Dan Evans
All the demographic data contradicts you. The SW US is booming. All the cities on the border are booming.

I've posted the links, just look!

68 posted on 02/22/2005 7:35:05 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: bayourod
As Rush says, 'Follow the money'. It is just shocking to see someone on a conservative site to support lawbreakers while badmouthing any attempt to enforce existing laws or make them stronger.

Just like you equate anything negative said about illegals with hate/racism against ALL immigrants I will equate your support of illegals with you supporting those that break the law.
69 posted on 02/22/2005 7:35:20 PM PST by FactsMatter (If you play World of Warcraft please freepmail me. :))
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To: Regulator; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Travis McGee; ...



illegaliens


70 posted on 02/22/2005 7:36:15 PM PST by devolve ( My-WWII-Musical-Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WWII.html http://pro.lookingat.us/DeadZone.html)
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To: Ben Ficklin
We have ag worker visas, non-ag worker visas, tech worker visas, nurse visas, and crew worker visas.

Still a bad idea. Even worse in this day and age.

This is one way empires decline. People get greedy. They bring foreigners in to work because they are lazy and then pretty soon they've lost their country.

71 posted on 02/22/2005 7:36:54 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: F16Fighter
Hmmm...Irony....Not sure that's the term...

Convicted criminals (felony, misdemeanor, on probation or paroled) who "get it"; meaning those with a real desire to rejoin society w/o criminal activity, who get clean & sober, CANNOT GET JOBS.

Just try & get hired right out of jail in any job that handles money, deals with kids, or in California, who whats to work in a drug treatment program. You can't do it. (Most require being free of probation/parole at least 1 year)

Yet this class of criminal is being handed the silver platter.

Nope. Irony doesn't even come close...
72 posted on 02/22/2005 7:40:33 PM PST by pooh fan ("Strong, the pull of the Dark Side is". Yoda)
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To: Dan Evans
Look at it this way, in twenty years, there will be no more mexicans to come here and work.

If you think that it is bad because there are too many mexicans, just wait until there are not enough mexicans.

73 posted on 02/22/2005 7:45:55 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: pooh fan
Convicted criminals (felony, misdemeanor, on probation or paroled) who "get it"; meaning those with a real desire to rejoin society w/o criminal activity, who get clean & sober, CANNOT GET JOBS.

I thought about this very thing this morning as I was listening to talk radio discussing Hilary's advocating for felons having voting rights.

She's a couple steps ahead here.

74 posted on 02/22/2005 7:54:29 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Ben Ficklin
All the demographic data contradicts you. The SW US is booming. All the cities on the border are booming.

Sorry, I don't consider a boom in population of illegals to be a good thing. California is rife with corruption and is running a huge deficit and they may never dig out of it.

One way to measure the relative success of two places is the "gate test". If you open a gate, which way do people move?

U-Haul rates are a good way to measure how attractive immigration has made California to the rest of the country:

"...while it costs $1,080 to rent a 26-foot U-Haul truck for a one-way trip from Los Angeles to Las Vegas, the rental going in the opposite direction is just $133.

"To economist Brian Wesbury, the difference implies that people are moving out of California as opportunity diminishes and the economic slump persists. Here are a few more telling comparisons, as reported in the Financial Post: A one-way U-Haul move from Los Angeles to Phoenix costs $837 while the return costs $116. San Francisco to Boise: $2,024. Return trip: $310. But look at the Midwest and the rate differentials practically disappear. A U-Haul rental from Chicago and Detroit costs $419, while the return is $449.

"Obviously, California is having a hard time keeping U-Haul trucks in the state," wrote Mr. Wesbury in a note to clients. "

U-Haul Economics

Question for you: California's population is about 1/4 foreign born immigrants. If immigration is so good for the economy, why are people leaving for other states and why aren't people from other states moving to California?

75 posted on 02/22/2005 7:55:37 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: bayourod

HOAG


76 posted on 02/22/2005 8:03:44 PM PST by LNewman
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To: bayourod
Don't blame the poor, blame the rich who go elsewhere.

Wow, that one really takes the prize. Is anybody writing this stuff down?

Blame the people who are fleeing from this madness. You know what? That's exactly what the Soviet Union did. Before they collapsed, the Soviets blamed the people who were leaving and so they built the Iron Curtain, a wall around the country to keep the productive people enslaved.

I wouldn't be surprised if that happens to "Azlatan".

77 posted on 02/22/2005 8:04:59 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: gubamyster
Look at the number of people who have voted in this poll. Over 6 million have voted NO to amnesty.

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=9415

78 posted on 02/22/2005 8:07:07 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: bayourod
See my profile page.

No sh*t! Then you really ARE a sign twirler!

79 posted on 02/22/2005 8:08:52 PM PST by LNewman
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To: Ben Ficklin
If you think that it is bad because there are too many mexicans, just wait until there are not enough mexicans.

Are you serious? Do you actually believe that Mexicans are a net benefit to the US? Tell me this: Mexico has a lot more Mexicans than the US does; if Mexicans are so good for the economy why isn't Mexico rich?

80 posted on 02/22/2005 8:09:34 PM PST by Dan Evans
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