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Reader response: Do you still trust Bill Gates?
Cnet ^ | Tuesday, February 22, 2005 | verdyp

Posted on 02/23/2005 3:10:53 AM PST by r5boston

Even if there's a newer IE 7 coming before the next Windows release, I won't trust what [its company] says. Nothing says that Microsoft will really secure its browser against silent and malicious ActiveX installations, and nothing says that IE 7 will support the many users who still have Windows 98 and 98 SE (and the few users still using Me who bought a "new" OS, which was really so deceptive that they won't even try to upgrade to XP...).

What is consistently frightening is that Bill tries to convince everybody that the only way to browse the Internet is to use the latest version of Windows, in order to be allowed to get security updates on a free browser. Just think about it: IE 6 is no more secure on Windows 98, and Bill decided to stop all developments for Windows 98. Those who didn't want IE on Windows 98 have long since chosen another browser. And IE 7 will not work on Windows 98.

So it's time to really think about what Bill has wanted: to create a captive market where users are constantly required to update their OS every three years, just to be allowed to get decent updates for the tools they need every day, like a browser.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: bigbrotherxp; billgates; firefox; internetexplorer; microsoft

1 posted on 02/23/2005 3:10:53 AM PST by r5boston
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To: r5boston
"..So it's time to really think about what Bill has wanted: to create a captive market where users are constantly required to update their OS every three years, just to be allowed to get decent updates for the tools they need every day, like a browser..."

Ya think?

2 posted on 02/23/2005 3:14:06 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

http://www.mozilla.org/


3 posted on 02/23/2005 3:17:12 AM PST by pageonetoo (Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
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To: r5boston
Do you still trust Bill Gates?

Still?

Whaddya mean "still"?

Never did.

Apparently MS can now deliver a browser that's separate from the OS, whereas just a couple of years ago, the browser couldn't be separated from the OS (at least that's what BG told DOJ).

4 posted on 02/23/2005 3:32:21 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: r5boston

I learned 15 years ago to not install the latest patch or upgrade until it had been 'out' 6 months. That would give the developer time to fix the bugs the patch/upgrade created.

lol.

IE7 would be no different. No one outside MS seem to know how it will be better or improved or what new features it might contain. So, when it is released, any users should be skeptical in rushing to install it.

I remember with the release of Win 98, one of MS's vp's was giving a demo on a TV media blitz. He said Win 98 was the most tested software in history and it was basically infallible. Then, the demo crashed. lol. The red-faced vp made some excuse about equipment failure.


5 posted on 02/23/2005 3:33:44 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: TomGuy

I don't trust Gates, but it has nothing to do with his browser or OS. I've been running the same install of XP, flawlessly despite thrashing it, for a few years, with an updated antivirus, pop-up blockers and anti-spyware aps that cover malicious installs. Never really had a problem with it. I now use MS's antispyware beta and it's fantastic (bought from another company). If that's integrated into the next browser or OS, well, hey, so much the better.

I don't trust Gates because of his recent comments at Davos, in several interviews. It's clear that Gates (along with many top American business leaders - and believe me, I'm very pro-business most of the time) appear to be angling to leech from and drain the United States as it looks toward a future in China. The many comments talking down the dollar were shocking. A few would not have been surprising, but the across-the-board comments were frightening.


6 posted on 02/23/2005 3:38:56 AM PST by Sandreckoner
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To: pageonetoo

http://www.maxthon.com/en/index.htm
I use Firefox too, but this is my favorite. It's what IE would be if they fixed the problems.


7 posted on 02/23/2005 3:48:02 AM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: r5boston
Browsers are soon a thing of history. All applications will one day see the internet as if it is one big hard drive. The browser will not only get integrated into the operating system, it will completely disappear.

WinFX is coming. Get used to it. Developers are using it, and so shall you.

I will be as unavoidable as city water. You can try to use bottled linux water, but you won't always have a choice.
8 posted on 02/23/2005 4:00:06 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: wolfpat
I use Safari and Firefox for browsing. Both keep me safe and clear of obstacles...

As a Mac user since 1984, I have little use for Bill Gates products, but... they gotta make a living! (Just not from me!)

9 posted on 02/23/2005 4:00:28 AM PST by pageonetoo (Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
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To: Born to Conserve
Ah, yes. "We are Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."

I've heard it all before.

I still like my Macs.

10 posted on 02/23/2005 4:07:07 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne; Bush2000
Apparently MS can now deliver a browser that's separate from the OS, whereas just a couple of years ago, the browser couldn't be separated from the OS (at least that's what BG told DOJ).


Exactly. I made this argument here when this case was in court.

B2K, what happened between then and now where IE can be separated from Windows? Before, it couldn't be separated. Now, it can be separated. What gives?


11 posted on 02/23/2005 4:09:54 AM PST by rdb3 (The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
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To: r5boston

as a computer technican i work with browser related problems everyday. microsoft is on top because they produce a superior product. it is "market forces at work". persons having problems with internet explorer do so because of a lack of knowledge. it is equal to blaming your car because you drive into a telephone pole. i tried firefox and was not impressed.


12 posted on 02/23/2005 4:45:51 AM PST by thejokker
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To: thejokker
persons having problems with internet explorer do so because of a lack of knowledge

Yeah -- people should know better than to use that bug-ridden open portal for virii, worms, and crackers.

13 posted on 02/23/2005 5:39:15 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: r5boston
a captive market where users are constantly required to update their OS every three years

I think not,I still have three computers happily chugging along with 98se, and no need to "update" them.On the other hand I'm sure Mr. Gates would like us all to think we need to update our OS's.In reality this usually creates more problems than it solves as new OS's are designed to use more system resources they will work like crap on your older computer without serious upgrades.

14 posted on 02/23/2005 5:41:40 AM PST by edchambers (Neocon foot-soldier of the Haliburton death squad)
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To: r5boston

I dont trust anybody who lives in Seattle.


15 posted on 02/23/2005 5:42:50 AM PST by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: steve-b

I have used Netscape from day one.


16 posted on 02/23/2005 5:43:39 AM PST by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: r5boston

I trust him about as much as I trust any businessman. Probably more than I trust the majority of Congressman.


17 posted on 02/23/2005 5:53:05 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: thejokker

Maybe you can tell me why the new notebook I bought my wife that runs XP Home with IE 6 SPK2 will refuse to connect to the internet after coming out of standby or hibernation (what's the difference?).

Control panel internet shows she's connected but the IE screen times out after launch and shows the well-known 'This Page Not Found' etc. I switched power management so that it never goes into hibernation while connected to an AC power adapter but no luck.

I have to reboot it to get it to connect again to the internet.

BTW I have trouble trusting Bill Gates and am somewhat paranoid that his browser software has the capability to let someone in and monitor what I am doing with my computer. My only crime in life is being a closet conservative in Seattle. But Gates and his family are liberal to the extreme on some issues.

Gates is a control maven. His father pushes to establish an income tax in Washington State. His wife is a very strange gun control supporter.


18 posted on 02/23/2005 6:14:04 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Izzy Dunne

I always get a laugh from MAC heads bashing Microsoft as being
so controlling, when they are in love with a company that produces both the OS and the hardware.


19 posted on 02/23/2005 6:17:24 AM PST by sticker
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To: MAWG

There is a conservative underground in Seattle and the demographics are changing such that extreme liberalism is no longer growing and appears to be losing some numbers.

But there is a Marxist mindset in Seattle that is frightening and confrontational, sometimes militant. It is part of the city government, city college and the government unions. Moveon.org is one of their political activist outlets. The liberals that control Seattle are the ones I suspect of voter fraud in the recent governor's election because as some of them say 'it is payback for Bush-Gore 2000'.


20 posted on 02/23/2005 6:22:54 AM PST by Hostage
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To: sticker

In case you didn't notice, it wasn't MS that I was bashing.


21 posted on 02/23/2005 7:04:27 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: thejokker
as a computer technican i work with browser related problems everyday. microsoft is on top because they produce a superior product.

And I'm supposed to believe someone who can't even find the shift key?

22 posted on 02/23/2005 7:06:42 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

If I misinterpreted your post I apologize


23 posted on 02/23/2005 7:32:25 AM PST by sticker
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

24 posted on 02/23/2005 8:00:47 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: thejokker
as a computer technican i work with browser related problems everyday. microsoft is on top because they produce a superior product. it is "market forces at work". persons having problems with internet explorer do so because of a lack of knowledge. it is equal to blaming your car because you drive into a telephone pole. i tried firefox and was not impressed.

Yes Microsoft is on top because the produced a better product, namely office. They used office to leverage the desktop with an average (at best) operating system. They have used the operating system to push (in no particular order) a crap database, a crap browser, and a crap web server. Other than office MS has done nothing better than anyone else other than business decisions (and I dont fault them for that). Sometimes a better product loses because of poor management decisions not because another product is better.

Your analogy is flawed, ms has such a poorly designed operating system (car) that something when something breaks the radio (browser) it can bring down your car.

25 posted on 02/23/2005 8:17:55 AM PST by N3WBI3
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To: pageonetoo

That's a perty picture, but it's very misleading.

What one man can make, another man can break.


26 posted on 02/23/2005 9:24:18 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. )
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To: pageonetoo

Is Safari and firefox free?


27 posted on 02/23/2005 9:25:40 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Oui.


28 posted on 02/23/2005 9:31:21 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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To: Hostage

I have no problems with XP.


29 posted on 02/23/2005 9:31:49 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Richard Kimball
Thanks.

If I were having problems with XP I would consider using it.

My motto is: 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.

I'll bookmark this. (just in case) :-)

30 posted on 02/23/2005 9:36:32 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
From the little I've been using it, it seems like they got it right.

I still don't trust Gates, though, and I'm rooting for Linux to get quasi-established just to keep a check on him (and Jobs, who is also not someone to trust)

And Firefox rocks.

31 posted on 02/23/2005 10:02:25 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: pbrown
Safari came with my OSX.mac, and firefox is available for download...

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

32 posted on 02/23/2005 11:04:31 AM PST by pageonetoo (Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
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To: JoJo Gunn
What one man can make, another man can break.

I guess you prefer Windows...


33 posted on 02/23/2005 11:08:27 AM PST by pageonetoo (Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
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To: r5boston

Never had; Never will.


34 posted on 02/23/2005 11:14:55 AM PST by Studebaker Hawk (Let's get serious: Who you gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: pageonetoo

Far from it, as you'd find if you checked my posting history.

I'm simply pointing out that your being so brickwall safe is a myth.

But you deep down really knew that, right?


35 posted on 02/23/2005 11:20:05 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. )
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To: JoJo Gunn
But you deep down really knew that, right?

I have no idea what you are talking about...


36 posted on 02/23/2005 11:25:08 AM PST by pageonetoo (Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
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To: pageonetoo

No, I suppose you don't.


37 posted on 02/23/2005 12:24:58 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. )
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To: thejokker
as a computer technican i work with browser related problems everyday. microsoft is on top because they produce a superior product. it is "market forces at work".

Baloney. Market share is not indicative of quality. According to your logic, Dan Rather (7.3 million viewers) is superior to Shepard Smith (5.6 million viewers).

persons having problems with internet explorer do so because of a lack of knowledge. it is equal to blaming your car because you drive into a telephone pole. i tried firefox and was not impressed.

This is Microsoft's typical 'piss-on-the-customer' attitude - the user is always wrong. Apparently, Mac users are superior drivers because they never "drive into a telephone pole" like Windows users.

38 posted on 02/23/2005 8:33:48 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: r5boston

BTTT


39 posted on 02/23/2005 8:38:45 PM PST by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: r5boston

Gates' praise for communism has me kind of freaked, so I'm thinking of getting a MAC as next computer - they are only liberals or socialists or something. OTOH, I'll want to run MS Office on it, which is still Gates.

For the time being, though, my computer with windows 98 is doing just fine.


40 posted on 02/23/2005 8:41:30 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree
Sam, Can I ask what you do with office? 99% of things done in MS office can be done in NeoOffice which is a mack port of OpenOffice
41 posted on 02/24/2005 7:35:06 AM PST by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3

To be honest, I mostly use it as a glorified typewriter. Sometimes it gets a little beyond that in that images can be imported to the documents.


42 posted on 02/24/2005 10:09:54 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree

Than Operoffice would meet your needs, you can try it out on windows to see if neooffice woulddo for you on a mac..


43 posted on 02/24/2005 11:15:35 AM PST by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3

Thanks much.


44 posted on 02/24/2005 11:28:33 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Izzy Dunne

"And I'm supposed to believe someone who can't even find the shift key?"


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...you owe my employer a keyboard.


45 posted on 02/24/2005 12:03:03 PM PST by melbell (A Freudian slip is when you mean one thing, and say your mother)
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