Posted on 02/23/2005 5:52:49 AM PST by FlyLow
Get this: The Democrats are thinking of running a couple of pro-life candidates for the U. S. Senate, one in Pennsylvania and the other in Rhode Island.
What a switch: There was a time when someone who was pro-life — someone like Pennsylvania's late governor, the sainted Bob Casey — wasn't even allowed to speak at the Democratic National Convention. Heaven forbid, he might have changed some minds. Can't have that. Free speech has its limits.
As you can well imagine, the pro-abortion faction of the Democratic Party, which used to be the Democratic Party for all political intents and purposes, isn't at all happy these days.
But the Democrats' own Senatorial Campaign Committee can feel the way the political wind is blowing — the way a cat can hear you coming up the walk. And the committee is flirting with the idea of running Bob Casey's popular son and namesake, Robert Casey Jr., in next year's Senate race against Republican Rick Santorum. Like father, like son: This era's Robert Casey, who's now Pennsylvania's state treasurer, is pro-life, too. And, like his father, he could be a winner.
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Having voted for elder Casey and Santorum in the past, Santorum gets no more votes from me.
This is just great loony libs crap again....we have two great Senators from here, Specker and Santorum, and Bob Casey and his darling little brat need to ride off into New York and be with the Hill-der-beast...and leave us good folk of PA ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
IIRC. Chaffee beat a pro-life Democrat in 2000 for the Senate seat. Of course back then few people knew anything about Chaffee other than his last name was a household word and he was the son of a popular late Senator.
The question is will the leftist loons who make up the bulk of the active democrat voters let them.
The way things are going the Hilda-beast will be pro life by 2008, I wouldnt be surprised if before then she went goose hunting with John Mccain, in a new Carhart jacket.
Elder Casey did nothing for Pro-Life when he was governor. Santorum talked the talk but walked the walk of a chicken when he was told to.
I AM SICK TO DEATH of these "pro-lifers" on this site who are tanking on Santorum. Fine vote for Casey Jr.........and when Roe v. Wade stays the law of the land, DON"T EVER COMPLAIN ABOUT ABORTION AGAIN.
The simple fact is that Casey Jr. will vote pro-life but will be a Dem and will do NOTHING, NOTHING to ensure pro-life judges get appointed.
Your position is illogical and you do a great disservice to the pro-life cause.
This, BTW, is the primary reason why I have no official party affiliation.
Actually, Santorum will win. Santorum has a great machine, he won in 2000 a presidential year which saw Gore winning PA. Plus, the ticket for Democratic success in PA of late has been convincing moderate Republican "pro-choice" women to vote Dem. These women will never vote for Casey and if confronted with two pro-life candidates will return to the Republican fold. Count on it. See Patrick Ruffini and Polipundit's recent analyses of this race. Santorum will win, and you can take that to the bank.
Santorum can hardly be called a RINO....he has been one of the most articulate defenders of life in the Senate, he has also been at the forefront of the Federal Marriage Ammendment. It would be amusing in a sad way if Santorum lost the support of conservatives because he supported Specter. Do you think Casey Jr. will not campaign for pro-choice Democrats? Do you really think that? Casey Jr. has already campaigned for Rendell, Kerry, etc.........wake up!
Granted, that doesn't mean I would reflexively vote against him in any election . . . but it does mean that he'll forever be compared to his opposition the same way I would compare pneumonia to tuberculosis.
This is what the Dems did in 1998, they ran socially conservative Dems in the House and picked up a few seats. Did these socially conservative Dems move the Democrat party to the right on social issues? No, they provided cover for the Dems and hurt the social conservative movement on issue after issue. In all his years in the Senate, did John Breaux, Wendall Ford, or Howard Hefflin do anything but provide meager votes on the floor for the pro-life movement? No.....
It is imperative to get to 60 in the next election, and we can't do that if the whining ingrates on this site would rather cut off their noses to spite their faces.
Was Christie Whitman running against a pro-life Dem (no)? Did Santorum campaign for her in the 93 primary (no)? Has Henry Hyde campaigned for pro-choice Republicans running against pro-choice Democrats (yes)? Did Chris Smith campaign for Whitman (yes)? Did President Bush appoint Whitman to head the EPA (yes)? Did you lose all respect for President Bush? Is there any pro-life member of Congress, any pro-life Senator or Gov who has not campaigned for a pro-choice member of their party (with the exception of the late great Bob Dornan, the answer is no)?
Well, the 'sainted' one, if I recall, launched into the GOP in a subsequent convention in floor interviews, falsely and hysterically claiming that Republican pro-lifers were not the least interested in children, only in children still in the womb. It was PPFA hog water. He knew it. He backslid on what he knew was a moral position, just to curry favor with the DU-wing of the party (which is obviously, now, the one and only dominant faction).
First of all, the "Casey" name is not quite as golden as one might think. Casey's brother ran for a House seat in Scranton in a good year for Democrats in PA and still lost. Second, its hard to see the abortion crowd who make up a large part of the Democrat base in PA voting for Casey. Third, it's even harder to see Casey exciting the African Americans in Philly. Fourth, while Casey is leading Santorum (by six) according to a poll that has historically underestimated Republicans by ten points, Santorum has an over fifty percent approval rating and 53 percent think he should be re-elected.
Santorum could have just stayed home. He wasn't even campaigning on behalf of a GOP candidate in a race with major national implications like a Senate race -- we're talking about the freakin' governor of New Jersey.
For years the MSM has painted the picture of abortion rights as being a problem for the Republican party. Even politicians were careful not to bring up this supposedly divisive issue. Now the truth is out. The Democrat scorched earth abortion rights policy is turing out to be a political hot potato for their party, and I suspect that it has been for a while, now.
Also remember the history of this seat. Gov. Casey, the supposed pro-life hero appointed Harris Wofford to the seat, who proceeded to toe the abortion lobby's line, which is why Santorum defeated Wofford in '94.
Look here, in your schema of politics there would be precious few if any politicians who would merit your vote...in fact aside from Bob Dornan, I could not think of one. If there are two pro-choice candidates in a race, I will campaign for and support the Republican, it's as simple as that. To say that because Santorum has campaigned for pro-choice Republicans he does not deserve re-election is to say that no politician alive deserves election........and with this position, you have just marginalized the pro-life movement. My take on this is thus, vote pro-life in the primary, vote pro-life in the general, if there is no pro-life candidate in the general, vote Republican because at least I will be supporting a party (if not a specific candidate) that is trying to stop abortion, even if is not always successful. Now, I would only withdraw my vote in the general if the Republican candidate had been affiliated with an abortion provider or had actually preformed abortions.
Ironically, Robert Casey's incompetence in this matter was directly responsible for Tom Ridge's victory in the 1994 election to replace Casey. Ridge was running far behind Casey's hand-picked successor (Lt. Gov. Mark Singel) in the fall of that year when McFadden went on his three-month killing spree, and he ended up winning a landslide after it was revealed that Singel had served as the head of the clemency board that had recommended McFadden's release.
Look here, in your schema of politics there would be precious few if any politicians who would merit your vote . . .
All he had to do was stay home . . .
As I have told you before, Watson and I were friends, and I doubt he would approve of your language either.
Well you haven't answered my question, what politician have you ever voted for? Because aside from Bob Dornan, every single pro-life politician has at some point campaigned (even the sainted Henry Hyde and Chris Smith) for a pro-choice candidate of the same party. So......................................unless you do not vote, your point has no merit.
I can understand a prolife vote who would never vote for a candidate who is not pro-life, but a pro-life voter who refuses to vote for a pro-life candidate because that candidate has campaigned for a pro-choice candidate really boggles the mind....the purity of this theory would lead one into a realm of absurdity in which there would be abortion on demand from now until the end of times....
I've wondered for some time how many dedicated registered Democrats were aware of just how far their party has drifted - actually run - to the left in the last 30 years or so. This may be an indication that some in the party recognize that their base is narrowing considerably. Here in Cambria County, PA, where approximately 60 percent of the residents are registered Democrats, Bush won about 60 percent of the vote.
I for one, would like to see at least two viable American parties that keep one another honest. I've maintained for some time that the present state of American politics is that the Republican and Democratic parties are both headed in the same direction: The Democrats just want to get there faster than the Republicans.
Santorum, despite his snub of Toomey, is the best a pro-lifer can get.
Casey Jr. is not his Father. He is an idiot. Wake up!
Wake up???? To what??? I would not vote for Casey or Santorum. If you read my post I said quite plainly that elder Casey was pro life but did nothing for the cause. I never voted for him again.
I assumed you were going to vote for Casey Jr.. I still think Rick is a good guy and deserves our vote. It is very possible that he loses this seat in 2006, Casey received more votes than any candidate in the 2004 election. This doesn't bode well and a sit out vote is not an option.
Santorum's not going to be defeated by an Dem on the horizon, whether they be the dem parties affirmative action token pro-lifer or not.
2006 will not be 2004... off year elections never pull the same numbers. In fact its better for R's running in this state statwide in off year elections than presidential races. People in the T are reliable voters... Philly and da burgh only go when they get riled up (typical libs)
Santorum and I have mutual friends, I would not vote him again and I doubt if they will either.
Any Democrat still claiming to be pro-life, after thirty years of aiding and abetting the party dedicated to the atrosity of perpetually butchering babies, is either a liar or a worthless piece of sh*t, unfit to serve in any elective office of either party.
They need to spend the rest of their lives on their knees busyly pleading for the salvation of their souls.
So you know something we should know?
Santorum helped land us Specter, that was too much.
All it takes for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing.
Voting for evil or less evil is not really an option.
Not to put words in your mouth, but you only vote for candiates without evil in them?
Bob Casey Jr. will be a formidable foe against any Republican candidate. The late governor is remembered fondly by many in both parties, esp. for his courage in battling his fatal disease.
I think it has been a hot potato for a while for a while. Each side wants to use it as a wedge issue, but when it comes time to do something, it appears it's too controversial. Too much talk and not enough action.
What did Santorum do to alienate you?
The scum-o-crats will only run a "pro-life" candidate against a pro-life Republican. Don't expect to see any "pro-life" dems running against endangered North Eastern RINOs.
I think it would be poetic justice if Toomey beat Santorum in the Primary.
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