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Home School Group Says Police Used Excessive Force
FOX Carolina WHNS-TV ^ | Friday, February 18, 2005 | FOX Carolina

Posted on 02/23/2005 12:03:16 PM PST by two134711

Some home schoolers say they were having a meeting in Simpsonville Park when an officer started bullying them.

The group of home schoolers included 6 mothers and about 15 to 20 kids, every Wednesday for the past 5 years the group has come to Simpsonville Park to socialize and meet with each other, but they say this past Wednesday was like no other.

One of the mothers in the group, Jan Blanchard says, "We were just sitting there talking..."

"I heard a man yelling take your hands out of your pocket and I turned around and he was yelling at one of the boys in the group,” says another mother Priscilla Adams.

Priscilla’s 14-year-old son, Glenn says, "He started yelling and screaming at this boy for having a knife, then pushed him down."

Priscilla says he then "went for another boy a 16-year-old, yelled at him something about having a knife, he pushed him to the ground."

Simpsonville Police say a call came in that someone in the park had a knife. They say they responded as they would to any call like that, but the officer responding to the call was dressed in plain clothes and did not identify himself at first.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; excessiveforce; govwatch; homeschool; homeschooling; jackbootedthugs; jackboots; jbts; police; policebrutality
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Obviously this waouldn't have happened if these children had been in government schools, where they belong! /Sarcasm off
1 posted on 02/23/2005 12:03:26 PM PST by two134711
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To: two134711

Yes, because in government-run schools, there are metal detectors!


2 posted on 02/23/2005 12:05:02 PM PST by VRWCisme
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To: two134711
A plain clothed policeman, without identifying himself, grabbing and pushing children in a public park in the south - it is lucky he wasn't shot...
3 posted on 02/23/2005 12:06:47 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: two134711; VRWCisme
Think again.



4 posted on 02/23/2005 12:11:20 PM PST by visualops
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To: 2banana

Sounds like this plain-clothes policeman will be wearing a LAWSUIT pretty soon......SIMPSONVILLE? DOH!...........


5 posted on 02/23/2005 12:11:47 PM PST by Red Badger (I call her GODZILLARY because she went to NYC and made her nest there, too.........)
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To: visualops

I almost forgot about that! The cops never did find what they were looking for in the school, either. I wonder if they were ever reprimanded for excessive force? Anyone know?


6 posted on 02/23/2005 12:16:15 PM PST by two134711
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To: two134711

Here's a thread from this morning regarding the incident: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349213/posts


7 posted on 02/23/2005 12:19:16 PM PST by demnomo
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To: two134711
"Police Chief Reese says officers do not have to identify themselves immediately and that the officer was wearing a badge and a gun.

But Jan says, "A crazy man come running up screaming, you're not looking at his belt to see if he's an officer."

The parents say the student did have a small hunting knife in a sheath on his belt, but never once had it out. The incident will keep this group from the park for good.

"The police station is right beside it, he could just come down at any time and do anything he wanted to," says Glenn.

The mother who tried to stop the officer was arrested and charged with assault on an officer, the 16-year-old boy was charged with carrying a concealed weapon. Simpsonville Police say they will not comment any further because the case is under investigation."

Simpsonville PD sounds like the Springfield PD of Homer Simopson fame. Wise cracks aside there are far to many instances of police officers attacking citizens who are literally doing nothing offensive or violent. Presumably the increase in the readiness of thugs to attack police has something to do with the act intimidatingly violent first ask questions later. However, these acts feed the increasing perception that police agencies exist only for self serving ends engaging largely in a quasi bureaucratic activities known as 'police work' which has little utility to the citizenry whatsoever.
8 posted on 02/23/2005 12:19:37 PM PST by robowombat
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To: demnomo

Donuts! I didn't look for "homeschoolers". Thanks!


9 posted on 02/23/2005 12:21:24 PM PST by two134711
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To: 2banana
No kidding.

There is a saying (slightly modified) I used with the MPs that I would train.

"Dumb MP (cop) usually equals dead MP (cop)"
10 posted on 02/23/2005 12:21:44 PM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: robowombat
The mother who tried to stop the officer was arrested and charged with assault on an officer,

She ought to be thankful she wasn't shot by this moron with a badge.

11 posted on 02/23/2005 12:25:02 PM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: two134711

nope it was a training mission


12 posted on 02/23/2005 12:25:28 PM PST by al baby (Dick Trickle is not just a medical condition)
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To: two134711

Looks like a case for the Home School Legal Defense Association.


13 posted on 02/23/2005 12:26:12 PM PST by buckeye4bush (buckeye4bush)
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To: ActionNewsBill
She ought to be thankful she wasn't shot...

Ain't that the God-damnedest truth!

It's a disgrace.

14 posted on 02/23/2005 12:28:51 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: buckeye4bush

Hopefully they'll take it on; I doubt the ACLU would.


15 posted on 02/23/2005 12:33:52 PM PST by two134711
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To: two134711

"the 16-year-old boy was charged with carrying a concealed weapon."

How is a small hunting knife in a belt sheath a concealed weapon?

I would think that part of having a concealed weapon would be concealing it.


16 posted on 02/23/2005 12:37:22 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: two134711
Police Chief Reese says officers do not have to identify themselves immediately and that the officer was wearing a badge and a gun.

Normally I'd say there's probably more to this than meets the eye, but I think the above says it all.

17 posted on 02/23/2005 12:38:13 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: untrained skeptic

In my high school Law & Civics class, we got to go on a "field trip" to the county prison. At the entrance checkpoint, I caused quite a furor with the weapon in my pocket: keys with a nail clipper attached, no file. The guards confiscated them and gave me a stern warning on my carelessness, and I almost cried, I was so embarrased! But they didn't arrest me!


18 posted on 02/23/2005 12:45:10 PM PST by two134711
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To: al baby

That's funny in a kind of twilight zone way.


19 posted on 02/23/2005 12:46:27 PM PST by two134711
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To: 2banana

I have learned to avoid cops at all times.

Noe these people have learned that lesson.

It used to be and I taught my children that the police were the friend of law abiding children. No more.

Now I teach my grandchildern to obey the laws but avoid any interaction with the police.


20 posted on 02/23/2005 12:56:40 PM PST by sport
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To: two134711

Nothing like a small mind with a cell phone, unless it is a smaller mind with a badge.


21 posted on 02/23/2005 12:59:21 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: 2banana

I will bet these police officers would not pull this crap on real criminals. This was the intent of the Framers to our US Constitution when they added the Bill of Rights. From what I can tell, these cops violated the spirit of just about each and every one of them. You can bet that CYA will be the only criteria of this investigation.


22 posted on 02/23/2005 12:59:27 PM PST by wmileo
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To: two134711

Many men I know wear a knife in a sheath in their belt. A knife is a tool. Since when is a pocket knife or a hunting knife considered against the law? Is there a specific size it has to be? I know I carry mine in my pocket am I a criminal? Cops are getting nuttier every day. If you go up to one and try to explain the problem while they are off on their tangential rants you may be arrested, Just for trying to explain or asking for an explanation.


23 posted on 02/23/2005 1:00:43 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sport

That is very sad. I am married to a cop and I find some of the generalizations about Police Offices on this post and the earlier one to be out of line.

I am not commenting on this particular case, just the reaction in general to Police Officers.

I am sure I will get ripped apart by this post.


24 posted on 02/23/2005 1:04:07 PM PST by Cathy
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To: two134711

Hmmmmm? Who would know the kid had a knife and call it in ..?? It had to be because the boys were displaying their knives in public.

While I agree it was probably overkill by the police - having been on the other side of the fence - the policeman has no way of knowing what the situation was until he got on the scene. Therefore, he goes in expecting the worst. For all he knew .. the kids were cutting class and loitering in the park with knives.

First of all - the parents should have been in more control of the boys with the knives.

And .. why not avoid the situation all together by contacting the police in the first place and telling them who you are and what you're doing. Then a phone call about knives would have been basically ignored by the police. Just a thought.


25 posted on 02/23/2005 1:06:10 PM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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To: two134711

It seems that a filthy government propagandist teaching in the government reeducation compound called Simpsonville Elementary School (my alma mater) is the instigator in the event.

Teachers (government school stooges) and their charges were using the park at the same time that the Upstate Homeschoolers Unlimited was using the park. I am sure it was obvious to the government worker that there were children around not subject to their control & the decision was made to harass them.

A sheathed knife was seen on a teenage boy and she or he called the police department. The elementary school - police department and park are all located adjacent to one another - in sight of each other.

www.uhucrew.org for more info.


26 posted on 02/23/2005 1:08:19 PM PST by PresbyRev (All truth is God's truth: post tenebras, Lux!)
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To: PresbyRev

http://www.uhucrew.org --- Upstate Homeschoolers Unlimited

http://www.simpsonvillepd.com ---- Simpsonville Department of Jackbooted Thugs

There is a fund being raised for the legal defense of the homeschooling mother now being charged with a felony and the teenage boy with a misdemeanor.

It may do well to let loose some phone calls, letters and emails to the Simpsonville PD to have the charges dropped and the ""officer"" in questioned fired.


27 posted on 02/23/2005 1:10:54 PM PST by PresbyRev (All truth is God's truth: post tenebras, Lux!)
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To: CyberAnt
First of all - the parents should have been in more control of the boys with the knives.

Didn't you ever throw knives and try to stick the in the ground when you were a kid? My dad taught me how to flip it over in the air and make it stick. Our society has gone nuts when kids cannot play with a knife in public. It was part of being a boy where I grew up. Now we have silly citizens calling the police and a grossly excessive police reaction.

28 posted on 02/23/2005 1:17:52 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: two134711

All homeschoolers - especially those of us who are members of HSLDA - should contact HSLDA and strongly encourage them to take on this case, whether the arrestees are members or not. Clearly, the officer (was his name Barney Fife?) didn't evaluate the situation correctly and I suspect that, in the final analysis, it's going to cost the City of Simpsonville some major cash.


29 posted on 02/23/2005 1:18:00 PM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: PresbyRev

Thank you for the info. That the mother is being charged with a felony is absolutely ridiculous. Hopefully public some sanity will be found in this situation.


30 posted on 02/23/2005 1:19:42 PM PST by two134711
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To: Cathy
The problem is that there are to many examples of a massive display of force as shown in the photos of the infamous 'drug shakedown' displayed above devoid of proportionality or even basic common sense. I know that while I was taught that police officers are your friend as a child I have firmly instructed both my daughter and grand daughter to not have voluntary interaction with law enforcement personnel. To cooperate and obey instructions when directly approached but say absolutely nothing more than exactly what is required. I don't think I am the only American who no longer thinks of police agencies as benign towards the law abiding. The plethora of personal conduct laws the politicians have saddled us with make all of us some sort of lawbreaker (and not infrequently a felon) every week if all of our actions were scrutinized. Law enforcement our friends, not really.
31 posted on 02/23/2005 1:20:12 PM PST by robowombat
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To: CyberAnt
why not avoid the situation all together by contacting the police in the first place and telling them who you are and what you're doing. Then a phone call about knives would have been basically ignored by the police.

Maybe your right, but the second paragraph of the story says, "The group of home schoolers included 6 mothers and about 15 to 20 kids, every Wednesday for the past 5 years the group has come to Simpsonville Park to socialize and meet with each other..."

Even if the parents had a responsibility to inform the police they were going to be using the park (which I doubt), after meeting there regularly for five years I can see why it may not have occurred to anyone.

32 posted on 02/23/2005 1:22:04 PM PST by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: two134711

BTTT


33 posted on 02/23/2005 1:22:12 PM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Hey, he couldn't take any chances. It might have been one of those "streetsweeper" knives set to full-auto.

/sarcasm


34 posted on 02/23/2005 1:22:14 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: PresbyRev
...There were other children and adults present in the park that day. A local elementary school was being remodeled. Teachers and children from the school were using the city park for their recess time because their playground was full of temporary school buildings.

A teacher saw Tim’s knife and called the Simpsonville City Police Department. Why the teacher called is unknown; Tim had never taken the knife out of its sheath, nor had he spoken with anyone at the park that day outside of his group of UHU friends. ...

A public school teacher called to cause trouble. The NEA at work again - after all they are not your children - they belong to them.

35 posted on 02/23/2005 1:26:01 PM PST by DaveyB (Ever see the homeschool national monument ? It's called Mt Rushmore)
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To: Cathy

Hi Cathy. We are sure you are married to a very nice man. He may even be a good cop. He would be a rarity these days. I think too many, if not most, cops think they have to perform "up" to Hollywood standards these days.


36 posted on 02/23/2005 1:26:39 PM PST by Agamemnon
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To: sonofagun
Police Chief Reese says officers do not have to identify themselves immediately and that the officer was wearing a badge and a gun.

Normally I'd say there's probably more to this than meets the eye, but I think the above says it all.

Actually I don't think it say's it all by any means.......

Sure it say's he was wearing the badge and the gun. I'm wearing underwear...but you CAN'T see them..!!!

Where exactly was he wearing his badge and gun? Was the gun in a shoulder holster, under a jacket? Was the gun strapped to his ankle? Was the badge clipped to his belt...under a jacket? Was the badge tangling around his neck?

FWIW-

37 posted on 02/23/2005 1:31:07 PM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary Clinton's so crooked...you can't tell from her tracks whether she's coming or going....)
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To: sgtbono2002
Yes, there is a specific size limit. Each state has slightly different laws. In most of them that I have looked up the blade limit is between 4 and 5 inches.
I highly doubt the kid was carrying one bigger than that. Even if he was this is was excursive force. Depending on the state it might be ok to carry a lager knife when not concealed. In most it is also ok to carry a larger one when camping/fishing/hunting.


http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm
38 posted on 02/23/2005 1:31:52 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: two134711

Let's see how long it takes for all the "cops are always right and never make mistakes" sheeple to come around this thread.

You know who I mean, the JBT boot-lickers.

Oh, my bad. They're prolly already here.

What imbeciles these cops in this case are. I hope someone like O'Reilly holds them up to the whole country for some well-deserved ridicule, and the voters in this town remember this the next time the PD comes begging for more money in a tax levy or something.


39 posted on 02/23/2005 1:32:25 PM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: Cathy

I am sure he is a great man. Do him a favor and warn him throwing down kids in the park wearing plain clothes with their parents watching is a good way to get shot. Repeatedly.


40 posted on 02/23/2005 1:34:23 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: sgtbono2002

God help the poor bastard that unknowingly wields a spatula or bbq tongs at one of the grills at the Simpsonville Park.

Simpsonville PD will probably just deploy a sniper to take him out.


41 posted on 02/23/2005 1:38:37 PM PST by PresbyRev (All truth is God's truth: post tenebras, Lux!)
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To: robowombat

Hey, if the cops are so afraid they'll get hurt if they don't take a second to know for sure, then they should have gone into another line of work.


42 posted on 02/23/2005 1:42:29 PM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: sgtbono2002

Go into the kitchen of ANY restaurant. You should see the knives and cleavers we use.


43 posted on 02/23/2005 1:45:02 PM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: CyberAnt

Because in a free country you shouldn't have to clear every little thing with the local KGB or Gestapo.

Some of you people need to THINK.

Do we have liberty here, or are we going to allow this country to become a POLICE STATE?


44 posted on 02/23/2005 1:47:00 PM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: CyberAnt
And .. why not avoid the situation all together by contacting the police in the first place and telling them who you are and what you're doing

"May I have permission to take my family out of the house and go to the public park between the hours of 1100 and 1500?"

45 posted on 02/23/2005 1:49:58 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free")
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To: sgtbono2002

My husband wears one too. He used to carry it in his pocket, but he lost too many knives that way. Now he carries his on his belt in a 3 inch nylon sheath. My father (school principal) used to always carry a 2-3 inch pocket knife used for opening letters, un-screwing screws, removing staples, etc.


46 posted on 02/23/2005 1:52:00 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ModelBreaker

Chief Reece is hiding behind his voice mail, and his flunky Abercrombie is playing the Roscoe P. Coltrane act to the hilt.

Flood their e-mails with instead. That might overload the server and take their computers down, though......






47 posted on 02/23/2005 1:55:43 PM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: Cathy
I agree completely. As in any occupation there are abusive twits in LE, BUT these folks here need to quit generalizing.
48 posted on 02/23/2005 1:57:36 PM PST by FreedomHasACost
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To: Cathy
I understand your feelings about police and they're not without merit. My father's uncle is with the sherrif's dept and I have two cousins who are policeman in NYC. I have met a variety of people in various fields of policework, and some were great, and some not. The cream rises to the top, and I have full belief that the best in intelligence and experience are in the top fields of crime fighting.

Unfortunately, the people who give police a bad image are those with whom many people interact on a daily basis. From simple things like not following the traffic laws they're supposed to enforce & not using radar but "estimates" to clock speeders, to plain clothes officers jumping people in public without identifying themselves, verbally harrassing citizens or threatening then with arrest, to much worse. A friend of my husband really lost a child to SIDS. I understand that when a child dies mysteriously, it must be investigated, but the parents were harshly treated like criminals, separated, interrogated and insulted. The father lost it, hit a cop, and was arrested. He should have spent the next eight hours grieving with his wife, instead he spent them in jail.

Like medicine, policing is a field where no bad apples are acceptable because our lives are at stake.

49 posted on 02/23/2005 1:57:40 PM PST by two134711
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To: 2banana

As an ex-cop, these gestapo squirrel cops need to be summarily dismissed from their jobs and the city sued for millions. Hopefully, this will occur.

There is NO reason for this behavior at ALL. These are the strongest terms I can use w/out getting banned.


50 posted on 02/23/2005 1:58:25 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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