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ZOT! The real facts of social security, courtesy of FactCheck
FactCheck.org ^ | February 3, 2005

Posted on 02/23/2005 8:31:43 PM PST by CAOHCAUCSB

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1 posted on 02/23/2005 8:31:44 PM PST by CAOHCAUCSB
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To: ancient_geezer

ping


2 posted on 02/23/2005 8:32:27 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MeekOneGOP

I think we got one here.


3 posted on 02/23/2005 8:34:41 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

reads a little biased IMO


4 posted on 02/23/2005 8:35:12 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (Islam is religion of piece established for profit by Muhammad, piss be upon him.)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

You just signed up to post this ?


5 posted on 02/23/2005 8:36:26 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: CAOHCAUCSB; MeekOneGOP

Live one here...


6 posted on 02/23/2005 8:36:31 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: rdl6989

Hit n run


7 posted on 02/23/2005 8:36:55 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

What's your take newbie?


8 posted on 02/23/2005 8:37:11 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (Islam is religion of piece established for profit by Muhammad, piss be upon him.)
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To: Calpernia
There is something interesting about this post.
9 posted on 02/23/2005 8:37:15 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: John Lenin

This is straight off the unbiased website factcheck.org. IM sure you all have heard of this. I am not trying to be a muckraker, just simply trying to start a discussion of social security. Anyone disagree with the numbers?


10 posted on 02/23/2005 8:38:03 PM PST by CAOHCAUCSB
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To: John Lenin

Me thinks we best sound the troll alarm.


11 posted on 02/23/2005 8:38:09 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

You just driving by????


12 posted on 02/23/2005 8:39:16 PM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

If our sainted leaders are so worried about Social Security, how is it they still haven't protected the money that's coming in? When you see the SS tax on your paycheck, just add it to the Federal Income tax portion to get your true tax rate, because the simple truth is they're spending it on other things that they aren't held accountable for.

I'll believe they're 'worried' when they start saving it.


13 posted on 02/23/2005 8:40:07 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

I agree with privatazation of social security and Bush's proposal yet this article seems interesting to read. Everyday it seems we are getting new figures about how Social Security will turn out in the future. Will it be in 2042 as bush says, or 2052 as the Congressional Budget Office says. And we know that it will not go bankrupt, but it will not be able to fully pay the benefits out...


14 posted on 02/23/2005 8:40:20 PM PST by CAOHCAUCSB
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

Yea, we should listen to the government groups who told us there was a $10 Trillion surplus in election 2000. I say by 2012 we are in the crapper. A heart bypass surgery cost 45k, SS is the least of our problems.


15 posted on 02/23/2005 8:41:04 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: rdl6989
I had no idea it was fluff. I pinged Ancient Geezer here. I planned on reading the article after A.G. got here. I usually don't follow SS and Tax stuff without reading the explainations he posts.


16 posted on 02/23/2005 8:41:44 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB
...the system would still be able to pay about three-quarters of the benefits now promised.

This is the definition of BANKRUPT. I think I will pay 3/4 of my bills next month and see how that goes over.

17 posted on 02/23/2005 8:42:36 PM PST by msnimje
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To: Texas_Jarhead

There is two things that stand out to me---

1. It states that if we do nothing to change things, that SS won't go "bankrupt" in the strictest sense, that retirees would get "at least 73-78% of what they put in". Well, that isn't good enough for me, thank you very much.

2. Did it state anywhere in this article that the personal accounts would be "voluntary"---which would mean that the "gamble" would be the choice of the retiree, with the knowledge of the difference between that and staying in the "old" system?

All of these political chicken-littles that are against this change, are acting like EVERY American retiree will NEED their SS to survive----which is not true. My husband an I aren't rich by any means, but we do have a retirement plan that is going to be our main source of funding---not SS. Isn't SS supposed to be a "safety net", not a "savings account"?


18 posted on 02/23/2005 8:43:36 PM PST by Txsleuth (Call be anything...just don't call me a fringe poster)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

>>>Anyone disagree with the numbers?

I already pinged our resident expert.

Just come back to your thread when he responds. That will show if you are a muckraker(?) or not.


19 posted on 02/23/2005 8:44:10 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB
Actually, even if it goes "bankrupt" a few decades from now, the system would still be able to pay about three-quarters of the benefits now promised.

If Bush was talking about cutting 1/4 of the social security benefits old folks are currently expecting in the next twenty years, liberals would have a s--- fit. They would behave as if nails and other sharp metal objects were being passed through their digestive systems. It would be The Passion of the Liberal.

But if the benefits are going to fail after 20 years from now, suddenly liberals don't care.

THERE IS NO CRISIS.

THERE IS NO CRISIS.

THERE IS NO CRISIS.

THERE IS NO CRISIS.

THERE IS NO CRISIS.

THERE IS NO CRISIS.

THERE IS NO CRISIS.

THERE IS NO CRISIS.

THERE IS NO CRISIS.

Keep repeating it and maybe it will come true! </sarcasm>

20 posted on 02/23/2005 8:45:35 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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