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Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question
News4 Colorado ^ | 2/24/05 | Raj Chohan

Posted on 02/24/2005 10:19:19 PM PST by Fizzie

Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question

by CBS4 News reporter Raj Chohan

Feb 24, 2005 8:03 pm US/Mountain BOULDER, Colo. (CBS4) Boulder County resident Duke Prentup has been a fan of native American art for as long as he can remember. That love of art took him to the home of Ward Churchill in the early 1980's, where Prentup bought several pieces of Churchill's art, including a serigraph titled "Winter Attack."

"I have enjoyed them ever since immensely, they're obviously up inside my house," Prentup said.

Last month came a stunning revelation, though, as as Prentup flipped through a 1972 book called The Mystic Warriors of the Plains written and illustrated by the late artist Thomas E. Mails. He found a sketch that was strikingly similar to the Churchill piece.

(Excerpt) See the rest of the article, and photo comparisons of the 2 pieces of art here: http://news4colorado.com/topstories/local_story_055200531.html

(Excerpt) Read more at news4colorado.com ...


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To: Howlin
You went to bed too early last night!

I'm sick with a cold or the flu .. all I know is that I feel like I've been hit by a truck :0(

401 posted on 02/25/2005 9:46:10 AM PST by Mo1 (Question to the Media/Press ... Why are you hiding the Eason Jordan tapes ????)
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To: prairiebreeze
I was physically sickened at his hateful vitriol. I mean sickened. This turd can't be flushed quickly enough IMO. He's a good argument for bringing back public punishments.

Seems Professor Fraud has CD's of himself

www.alternativetentacles.com

Here's a sample of him talking to a class or something about Colin Powell and 9/11

5. "Blaming The Victims" (4:41)

402 posted on 02/25/2005 9:50:36 AM PST by Mo1 (Question to the Media/Press ... Why are you hiding the Eason Jordan tapes ????)
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To: Howlin

it is.... :-)


403 posted on 02/25/2005 9:50:59 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( The Year of Freeping Dangerously)
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To: Fizzie

The funny thing is if he did not make such a scene after 9/11 his fraud could have gone on for years unnoticed.. kind of makes you wonder who else is out there..


404 posted on 02/25/2005 9:53:42 AM PST by N3WBI3
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To: AmericanMade1776; Flyer; Drango; All; Miss Marple

Okay, I sent an email last night to one of the sellers of Churchill's work; I told them they might want to check into it's credibility.

This is the reply I got back:

ME: "You better read this: http://news4colorado.com/topstories/local_story_055200531.html
I believe ALL these pictures of his on this site may be questionable."

This is the reply from the seller:

This is a Ward Churchill original oil painting complete with documentation. Wether or not Ward copied the piece is not relevant. Thanks for your interest.


405 posted on 02/25/2005 10:01:04 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin
From #133 Ryan Mails, the son of the late Thomas Mails said the family still retained the copyrights to the drawings of the Mystic Warriors book,

We need to get word to Ryan Mails that his dads work ala Churchill is on Ebay!

Ryan is the only one who can complain to ebay about copyright.

406 posted on 02/25/2005 10:06:11 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
an incident with smallpox-infected blankets given to Indians in order to deliberately infect them IS true.

Uhmmmm..NOT necessarily true!..Louis Pasteur didn't make the connection between "germs" and disease - bacteria & their vectors and disease, until his investigative work between 1865 and 1877. It's hard to 1) see how English officers knew about bacterial or viral contamination, or 2) see where they found someone with infectious smallpox, alive, and were able to get the bacteria onto blankets, without contaminating themselves, and getting the blankets, still fresh with the disease to the Indians, and then....

Very quickly this TRUE story starts to look like a Ward Churchilesk fabrication.

407 posted on 02/25/2005 10:07:37 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
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To: TomGuy; hoosiermama; Howlin
TomGuy, this Wardo is so busted...that is the funniest thing.

Hoosiermama had it right.

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Looks like he used an overhead projector. Copied it onto a transparency and then reversed it and copied it onto his canvas.....A real artist! NOT 350 posted on 02/25/2005 9:10:02 AM EST by hoosiermama

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Having formerly been a teacher, there were many times I used an Overhead projector to trace drawings on to bullentin boards, or poster....how lame is this El Wardo!

408 posted on 02/25/2005 10:07:45 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( The Year of Freeping Dangerously)
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To: Howlin
This is a Ward Churchill original oil painting complete with documentation. Wether or not Ward copied the piece is not relevant. Thanks for your interest.

The seller must be a graduate of the "WARD CHURCHILL SCHOOL OF ETHICS

409 posted on 02/25/2005 10:08:10 AM PST by msnimje
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To: Howlin

But the Seller of the Original Ward Churchill has documentation from EL WARDO...! It has to be real, I mean Ward Churchill is a professor at the Univerity of Colorado! (said with much sarcasm)


410 posted on 02/25/2005 10:10:04 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( The Year of Freeping Dangerously)
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To: Howlin
This is a Ward Churchill original oil painting complete with documentation. Wether or not Ward copied the piece is not relevant. Thanks for your interest.

??????

411 posted on 02/25/2005 10:13:45 AM PST by Mo1 (Question to the Media/Press ... Why are you hiding the Eason Jordan tapes ????)
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To: Mo1

A white guy stealing "Indian Art" copyright and passing it off as his own, is always relevant!


412 posted on 02/25/2005 10:15:38 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Howlin
This is the reply from the seller:

This is a Ward Churchill original oil painting complete with documentation. Wether or not Ward copied the piece is not relevant. Thanks for your interest.


lol. Sounds nearly like the excuse Dan used about the faux faxed documents.

Now, Churchill has popularized a his own genre: faux art by a faux Native American.
413 posted on 02/25/2005 10:19:45 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Drango

I agree ... but apparently this seller doesn't seem to care


414 posted on 02/25/2005 10:20:21 AM PST by Mo1 (Question to the Media/Press ... Why are you hiding the Eason Jordan tapes ????)
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To: Howlin

"What have I forgotten?"

He also used to build bombs for the domestic terror group Weather Underground. I didn't read all 400 posts so sorry if it's the ninth time.


415 posted on 02/25/2005 10:22:12 AM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: Drango
Ryan is the only one who can complain to ebay about copyright.

True. And he has good grounds, considering that Churchill has been commercially selling the art-renditions. Ryan could sue to recover all profits from those sells, plus damages. And, if Churchill has used copyrighted art of others, they, too can sue to recover any profits and damages. This could be more than the justification Churchill gave in that CBS4 tape interview--that if the buyers didn't have sense enough to know the artwork was 'faked', that's their faults. This could cost Churchill many dollars and potentially criminal charges, if the copyright holders pursue him.
416 posted on 02/25/2005 10:24:33 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: All

http://news4colorado.com/homepage/

In all the surfing last night, I didn't see the video! Here it is...


417 posted on 02/25/2005 10:25:26 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Mo1

That is really what ticks me off. If this guy were a conservative the media would be on him non-stop. But he's not so they don't care. That's why places like FR are so important. The next election cycle should be really interesting around here.


418 posted on 02/25/2005 10:27:17 AM PST by retrokitten
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To: Fizzie

I'm not a good "photo shopper" but this would also make a good "Can you draw Bambi?,if so you may qualify for the National Art School" etc. spoof advertisement...


419 posted on 02/25/2005 10:28:15 AM PST by radioactivereb ("I'm tryin' to think but nothin' happens!"-Curly Howard)
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To: Mo1

I think he's a load of fun - far better to have him wounded, hanging in the breeze, talking his hateful garbage, getting further out there, more and more discredited, a clear fraud, than martyred on the altar of Bill O'Reilly. He's an asset to the right, and our representatives should be asking Ken Salazar EVERY DAY whether he supports the dismissal of this clown, asking Reid, and Pelosi the same thing.

It's better to use this than to have him become another left wing victim.


420 posted on 02/25/2005 10:30:15 AM PST by Bagehot
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To: AmericanMade1776

Yelp any classroom teacher would recognize the technique....Once did a project with the Mona Lisa....Projected it on a poster and had the students fill in with dots from a whole punch....Actually was much more artistic then Ward's work and it was accomplished by a challenged elementary students.


421 posted on 02/25/2005 10:31:20 AM PST by hoosiermama (It's more than an election...It's a change of heart....an enlightenment....life is important)
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To: Mo1

I'd think Ebay is in deep crap too, for allowing this Seller to make fraudulent/misleading claims. Now that the copyright infrigement issue is in quetion, Ebay might want to suspend the auction until matter is resolved.

Maybe they have a disclaimer to such things though.. just a thought.


422 posted on 02/25/2005 10:33:24 AM PST by JesseJane ( "I inadvertently took a few documents from the Archives," Berger said.)
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To: Howlin
This is a Ward Churchill original oil painting complete with documentation. Wether (sic) or not Ward copied the piece is not relevant. Thanks for your interest.

LOL. Oh yes it is relevant. Copyright law is quite clear on the matter. One may not distribute works that violate a copyright. Period. And the courts have held than even unknowing distribution of infringing works is actionable--even if one doesn't make any money off it--which clearly this ebay seller is trying to do. Plus, now he can't even claim he didn't know, which might have ameliorated damages. LOL.

Of course, after he's sued, he could always turn around and file against churchill to try to recoup the judgment. But, ol' Wardo will be, by that time, bankrupted by the copyright/fraud suits against him.

423 posted on 02/25/2005 10:34:03 AM PST by Eroteme
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To: Drango; Howlin

I just watched that video

He hit the reporter and then later comes out of his office smiling like nothing happen


424 posted on 02/25/2005 10:35:09 AM PST by Mo1 (Question to the Media/Press ... Why are you hiding the Eason Jordan tapes ????)
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To: ajolympian2004
Okay, I've emailed O'Reilly and all the other...

Good job. O'Reilly mentioned it briefly this morning.

425 posted on 02/25/2005 10:38:29 AM PST by PRND21
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To: Fury

"CU has a major problem on their hands. The longer they wait, the worse it gets. He is discrediting their university."

Churchill is a disaster for CU and every university/college which have hundreds of faux professors like Churchill.

We will see a new industry of conservative college students outing their Faux Professors.


426 posted on 02/25/2005 10:38:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Mary Frances Berry "There’s Something About Mary" l999,
Management problems and divisive racial politics have followed Mary Frances Berry from the U.S. Civil Rights Commission to the Pacifica Radio Network

And currently: Berry is at the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA. Professor Berry teaches the History of American Law, and the History of Law and Social Policy. She also advises students in African American History.


http://www.history.upenn.edu/faculty/berry.htm
Courses: HIST 168: U.S. Legal History to 1877, HIST 169: History of American Law Since 1877, HIST 467: History of Law and Social Policy.

427 posted on 02/25/2005 10:47:41 AM PST by CitizenM ("...pacifism is one of the greatest allies an aggressor can have!" -Patrick Henry)
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To: Grampa Dave
outing their Faux Professors

I'd like to see a few professors out the faux department head....Many either go along with or stay quiet for fear or what the DH can/will do. The system needs to be fixed.

428 posted on 02/25/2005 10:48:20 AM PST by hoosiermama (It's more than an election...It's a change of heart....an enlightenment....life is important)
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To: JesseJane
I'd think Ebay is in deep crap too, for allowing this Seller to make fraudulent/misleading claims. Now that the copyright infrigement issue is in quetion, Ebay might want to suspend the auction until matter is resolved.

I don't know copyright laws very well ..

I suppose if the have a really good lawyer they may try to claim they were not aware of Professor Fraud's painting

But I'm guessing they are aware now and if they don't pull those auctions they are in deep doo doo

BTW .. I want to say to the Reporter at CBS4 .. Great Job on the investigative reporting !!

429 posted on 02/25/2005 10:48:40 AM PST by Mo1 (Question to the Media/Press ... Why are you hiding the Eason Jordan tapes ????)
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To: Mo1
BTW .. I want to say to the Reporter at CBS4 .. Great Job on the investigative reporting

May I add to that..."Hope he presses charges!"

430 posted on 02/25/2005 10:50:30 AM PST by hoosiermama (It's more than an election...It's a change of heart....an enlightenment....life is important)
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To: CitizenM

Many people don't know that Mary Frances Berry is/was chair of Pacifica, the ultra left wing, tax funded, public broadcasting network.


431 posted on 02/25/2005 10:51:31 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango
A quick Internet search indicates a number of Churchill pieces selling on eBay, including another copy of "Winter Attack."

*wink* *wink*

432 posted on 02/25/2005 10:52:29 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin
A quick Internet search indicates a number of Churchill pieces selling on eBay, including another copyright violation of "Winter Attack."
433 posted on 02/25/2005 10:55:47 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Howlin

As somebody up the thread said, evidently Ward thinks 'copyright' means he has the 'right' to 'copy.'


434 posted on 02/25/2005 10:57:43 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin
What have I forgotten?

He claims he's an educator.

435 posted on 02/25/2005 10:57:57 AM PST by eyespysomething (Vous pouvez vous rendre au garde de securite!)
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To: Howlin

No matter. The seller is on notice that the piece is not an "original" in any sense of the word. He has actual notice that the work is actually a reproduction, and if it loses value when that fact becomes known, he would easily get slapped by Ebay's or Paypal's anti-fraud policy to refund the money to the buyer. Even if Ebay doesn't get the buyer's money back, a quick small claims complaint with the note from FreeRepublic as evidence that the guy was on notice would be plenty adequate to show actual knowledge on the seller's part that he was probably not selling an original.

On the other hand, should the controversy actually INCREASE the value of this ripoff print, the buyer can pocket the profit from a quick turnaround sale. Whether the seller is covering the buyer's loss from his fraud, or watching a customer make a bundle off the print, the buyer doesn't have a serious downside.

What I don't get is how the seller could be so stupid as to continue to label it an "original".

(Heck, I'm tempted to buy it, myself, now!)


436 posted on 02/25/2005 10:59:25 AM PST by TastyManatees (http://www.tastymanatees.com- R.I.P.)
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To: Petronski

what a hoot.


437 posted on 02/25/2005 11:03:00 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: TastyManatees

What a poseur. Those parents who are sending $$$ to those universities where he is speaking should be raising all holy h311.


438 posted on 02/25/2005 11:03:03 AM PST by Mayor_of_ Cowford
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To: TastyManatees

LOL.....the thought crossed my mind!

A long time ago, in a marriage far, far away, my first husband lived in NH; we use to go to Sturbridge on some trips; at that time there was a Norman Rockwell shop where you could buy lithographs, etc.

You could also buy signed prints for -- $10.00! TEN DOLLARS.

So, we go one time and there are no prints; I asked the girl working there why there were none and she said, "Mr. Rockwell has been sick."

I sometimes look at my prints and think I should have asked her "How sick is he," as he died within months. I should have bought those signed lithographs for $1800.00. :-)


439 posted on 02/25/2005 11:04:38 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: TastyManatees

Whoops.......FIFTY DOLLARS!


440 posted on 02/25/2005 11:05:06 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: hoosiermama

Many of us feel that this is the beginning of the overdue fix of the left wing faux professors around the nation.


441 posted on 02/25/2005 11:05:11 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: shezza
I sent the new photo / painting discovery off to Michelle Malkin, O'Reilly, Caplis and Silverman on KHOW and a few others. Malkin has the best display of the copied artwork at her web site:

http://www.michellemalkin.com/

Direct link: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001596.htm

442 posted on 02/25/2005 11:05:28 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: Grampa Dave

We can certainly hope....My theory is inside many of the lefties is a righty trying to "fit in".


443 posted on 02/25/2005 11:06:55 AM PST by hoosiermama (It's more than an election...It's a change of heart....an enlightenment....life is important)
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To: Fizzie
Intentional theft of intellectual property, that should get the creep fired for sure.

I'd like to investigate other paintings by Thomas Mails. The painting in question is beautiful.

444 posted on 02/25/2005 11:09:49 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Fizzie
"He found a sketch that was strikingly similar to the Churchill piece."

Did I ever tell you about my favorite time of day???

When the chickens come home to roost!

445 posted on 02/25/2005 11:10:50 AM PST by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: msnimje
Do you believe that sH*t?

It is typical of a con artist, and that is what Churchill is.

Btw I think Winston Churchill is probably turning araound in his grave of someone like the "professor" sharing his last name

446 posted on 02/25/2005 11:11:55 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: hoosiermama

"My theory is inside many of the lefties is a righty trying to "fit in"."

Change many to few, and I will agree with you.

A couple we know have recently retired from teaching and education administration. He was a principal, and he is totally out of the closet. She has changed a lot and is back to being someone we like being around. According to the husband, less than 5% of the teachers and principals are conservative or even moderate, and most of them are 60 something. He said some of the newer 20/30 something teachers since 9/11 have become conservative.


447 posted on 02/25/2005 11:13:10 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Miss Marple

All the other FReepers are way ahead of me as usual...I found this thread in a search this morning because I was going to otherwise post the CBS4 Denver story. Either way, it's gonna be an interesting weekend...FReepers rule!


448 posted on 02/25/2005 11:19:32 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Drango

***From #133 Ryan Mails, the son of the late Thomas Mails said the family still retained the copyrights to the drawings of the Mystic Warriors book***

Careful, now. Some of T. E. Mails' pictures were copied from various National Geographics. He just put Indian clothes and western settings on the people.

Computer been down so this is the first I heard of this. I ran to my copy of MYSTIC WARIORS OF THE PLAINS to check it out. The Winter War Party is on page 575.


449 posted on 02/25/2005 11:24:44 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

A copy of a copy of an original? The mind boggles!


450 posted on 02/25/2005 11:27:23 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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