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Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question
News4 Colorado ^ | 2/24/05 | Raj Chohan

Posted on 02/24/2005 10:19:19 PM PST by Fizzie

Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question

by CBS4 News reporter Raj Chohan

Feb 24, 2005 8:03 pm US/Mountain BOULDER, Colo. (CBS4) Boulder County resident Duke Prentup has been a fan of native American art for as long as he can remember. That love of art took him to the home of Ward Churchill in the early 1980's, where Prentup bought several pieces of Churchill's art, including a serigraph titled "Winter Attack."

"I have enjoyed them ever since immensely, they're obviously up inside my house," Prentup said.

Last month came a stunning revelation, though, as as Prentup flipped through a 1972 book called The Mystic Warriors of the Plains written and illustrated by the late artist Thomas E. Mails. He found a sketch that was strikingly similar to the Churchill piece.

(Excerpt) See the rest of the article, and photo comparisons of the 2 pieces of art here: http://news4colorado.com/topstories/local_story_055200531.html

(Excerpt) Read more at news4colorado.com ...


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To: prairiebreeze

I can't imagine the University will be able to retain this disgusting piece of excrement. He lied about his heritage and now has stolen copywrited artwork. And no other place of business will have him except perhaps an extreme leftist internet publication.


501 posted on 02/25/2005 3:05:26 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Can you imagine what a University would do if a Student copyrighted information or art and tried to pass it off as their own work? What does this tell the students of the University of Colorado? If it is alright for the Professor Pycho Ward to lie or mislead about the authenticity of his own work , then surely Students at the Unversity of Colorado should lower their own bar and copy, copy, copy others works, and pass it as their own.


502 posted on 02/25/2005 3:10:19 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( The Year of Freeping Dangerously)
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To: Peach
We'll see. As of now, almost 24 hours after the story broke on news4, FReepers found two more examples. Yet a google news search shows not one MSM source has reported the issue. Not one. As of now the story has no legs...but perhaps the evening TV news in Colorado will highlight the fraud.
503 posted on 02/25/2005 3:10:36 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Peach
If he had stuck to using images from old photos, I bet the liberals and no-talent art professors would be defending it as a legitimate art form. But he has cooked his goose by copying another artist's work.
504 posted on 02/25/2005 3:11:10 PM PST by knuthom
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To: Drango
"The problem is, that ain't us."

Exactly. Without my books, I'm stuck with only online sources. I suppose an email inquiry might yeild some results.

505 posted on 02/25/2005 3:12:39 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: cake_crumb

If you do email anyone, would you also ask 'em who, if anyone, owns the copyright to Bell's photography? As near as I can tell *SOME* of his work resides in the National Anthropological Archives
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/naa/guide/_b2.htm but some may be in the Library of Congress. (or are they the same?)


506 posted on 02/25/2005 3:19:51 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango
Churchill's job was a "special opportunity" position, which is often a job to help hire a more diverse faculty.

More diverse? In this case, a more diverse, marxist, white man.

507 posted on 02/25/2005 3:21:35 PM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
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To: TheSarce

The two figures are similar to photos appearing individually in Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee". The male is Plate 3 (p. 35, my edition, also on cover) and the female (I dare not use another term) is Plate 2 (p. 19). I could scan them to pdf and send them to someone, but I have no way to host the images.


508 posted on 02/25/2005 3:21:50 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: Royal Wulff

http://imageshack.us/
Free hosting site...


509 posted on 02/25/2005 3:31:16 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Royal Wulff

510 posted on 02/25/2005 3:34:21 PM PST by PRND21
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To: daybreakcoming

"**kind of makes you wonder who else is out there.."**

"Been thinking along those lines myself. Here we are putting $$ in education funds for our children and you can believe I am wondering............."

I don't "wonder" at all. Unfortunately, I know more than I ever wanted to know about our education crisis in public schools and in so-called higher education academies.

I blame Congress as the main source, as well as the U.S. Attorney General Office's lack of oversight. Politicians ARE defrauding and deceiving the American People, and it should be a Federal crime.

Mind you, I am NOT against our form of government - in precept it is the very best. I am NOT anti-American, I am passionately anti-politician - like those career politicians who do not live within their constituency and betray constituent representation. Those politicians who demonstrate more affinity with Pacs, centric groups, the special and/or subversive interests. In practice, our government is only as good and strong as those we elect and as those appointed to serve according to founding principles. I am bitterly against career politicians who compose at least 50% of Congress' membership. Most have betrayed our trust for the past 20 years or more. One of the reasons I support Bush is that he and Laura Bush shun the degenerate D.C. insider politik society.

To this very second, I cannot believe any American would vote for treasonous John Kerry after his record and history, and his bon mot "Global Test," were disclosed showing him for what he was and what he is. Scary! (Sorry for the rant...Kerry was Vichy Chirac's choice!)



511 posted on 02/25/2005 3:35:04 PM PST by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: Drango

Look for O'Reilly and Michelle Malkin (subbing for Sean on Hannity and Colmes tonight) to make this a national issue.


512 posted on 02/25/2005 3:35:54 PM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: Drango
"If you do email anyone, would you also ask 'em who, if anyone, owns the copyright to Bell's photography?"

I was wondering that, too. There also seems to be some in the Keogler collection.

513 posted on 02/25/2005 3:38:55 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Drango
We'll see. As of now, almost 24 hours after the story broke on news4, FReepers found two more examples. Yet a google news search shows not one MSM source has reported the issue. Not one. As of now the story has no legs...but perhaps the evening TV news in Colorado will highlight the fraud.

Professor Psycho Ward has managed to really, really piss off the Internet bloggers.

He will soon be in the Happy Hunting Ground!

514 posted on 02/25/2005 3:38:56 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: PRND21; Royal Wulff
If that's the picture Royal is referencing, I don't see any copying to get to this


515 posted on 02/25/2005 3:39:56 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango
Agreed. Those two indians sure look familiar, though.
Something will turn up.
516 posted on 02/25/2005 3:41:52 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Drango; Royal Wulff

Royal is saying there are photos within the book (he names pages and plates) that are similar, NOT the cover.

I've been googling myself to see if by chance any content photos are online.

Are the photos captioned?


517 posted on 02/25/2005 3:42:09 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Royal Wulff
The guy on the left looks more like this:

Painted Cheyenne
It is not identical, but seems to be similiar. Maybe he evolved to using photos as a basis for his own compositions.

Nah, too much work for a fraud like Churchill. He probably did copy it exactly from somewhere else.

518 posted on 02/25/2005 3:43:34 PM PST by knuthom
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To: PRND21
Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
519 posted on 02/25/2005 3:44:19 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: PRND21
Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
520 posted on 02/25/2005 3:46:46 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: cyncooper
The male is Plate 3 (p. 35, my edition, also on cover)

(grin) The title of the work is "Cheyennes". Sleuth on!

521 posted on 02/25/2005 3:47:32 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango

Perhaps not directly copied. But if these were the source of his "inspiration" it may save trouble trying to track down an original.


522 posted on 02/25/2005 3:48:24 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: Drango; Royal Wulff

I'm not seeing the similarities in the photos Royal presented.

I'll leave photo sleuthing to the rest of ye.


523 posted on 02/25/2005 3:49:45 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Royal Wulff

#'s 518, 519, and 520 don't seem to be the basis for the Ward work. Given the lack of deviance from the original in Ward's other frauds, I'm pretty sure that these 3 pics weren't Ward's inspiration. Good effort, though.


524 posted on 02/25/2005 3:51:52 PM PST by zoyd (I'm with the government. We're going to make you like your neighbor.)
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To: Royal Wulff
Good job, and I agree if he got his "inspiration" from here the case is closed. However, as noted earlier in the thread, his other 3 examples of copyright fraud, are near identical copies. (Closer even than rathergate)I think that's what we would need if we wanted to show a violation.
525 posted on 02/25/2005 3:52:19 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: BradyLS
The mirror image aspect was probably a result of placing the tracing face-down directly on the screen when the emulsion was burned.

Or of using a solid projector to project the image onto another surface...

526 posted on 02/25/2005 3:53:05 PM PST by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: Howlin
He's not a paratrooper.

Can we push him out the door and make him one?

(And do we really need to give him a chute?)

527 posted on 02/25/2005 4:01:49 PM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Howlin
I have been on e-bay. One of the sellers (who has a piece which is a Sioux warrior seated on a horse and looks to be a repro of a photograph) lists the following places where Churchill has art in their collections:

Bureau of Indian Affairs
Bradley University, Peoria IL
Illinois State University
Illinois State Museum
Sioux Indian Museum
University of Colorado
Sangamon State University
Springfield Theater Gu9ild
Denver Art Museum
Red Cloud Indian School
Dept of Interior
US Park Service

I am going to each of these sites to see what I can find out.

528 posted on 02/25/2005 4:13:58 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Peach

This is a *great* antiAmerican anarchist propaganda site -
Excerpt from http:www.akpress.org/2005:

Confronting The Crime Of Silence: Evidence Of US War Crimes In Indochina - Jean-Paul Sartre (Contributor), Gabriel Kolko (Contributor), Noam Chomsky (Contributor), Natsu Taylor Saito (Editor), and Ward Churchill (Editor)
[Natsu Taylor Saito is Churchill's current wife. She was formerly associated with Colorado University at Boulder.]
Churchill and Saito use source material from civilian,

Congressional and veterans organizations to examine America's systematic use of criminal behavior to acheive [sic]military victory. From Noam Chomsky to John Kerry, Jean-Paul Sartre to Gabriel Kolko, and from "free-fire zones" to Mai Lai, the "official" excuses are skewered.
Coming June 2005

[NOTE: "From Noam Chomsky to John Kerry..."]



529 posted on 02/25/2005 4:18:50 PM PST by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: Miss Marple

I have been on e-bay. One of the sellers (who has a piece which is a Sioux warrior seated on a horse and looks to be a repro of a photograph) lists the following places where Churchill has art in their collections:
Bureau of Indian Affairs
Bradley University, Peoria IL
Illinois State University
Illinois State Museum
Sioux Indian Museum
University of Colorado
Sangamon State University
Springfield Theater Gu9ild
Denver Art Museum
Red Cloud Indian School
Dept of Interior
US Park Service

I am going to each of these sites to see what I can find out.

***God's blessing and speed, Truth Seeker!


530 posted on 02/25/2005 4:22:52 PM PST by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: purpleland

Paintings and drawings by Ward Churchill are at the Arlene Hirschfelder Collection at (ta-da) the University of Arkansas at Little Rock!


531 posted on 02/25/2005 4:29:49 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple; Drango; Flyer; Howlin
Here are some links for you photo sleuths (found here):

On Photographs & Photographic Archives

Posters of Edward S. Curtis photographs
American Historical Images On File: The Native American Experience 
American Indian Occupation of Alcatraz Island 
American Indians of the Pacific Northwest Digital Collection 
Benedicte Wrensted: An Idaho Photographer in Focus 
Colorado and Western History Photographs 
Dawn of a New Day , photograph collections at the Arizona State University Library
Early Photographers Of First Peoples In British Columbia 
Edward S. Curtis Photographs : The Cardozo Gallery
Edward S. Curtis's The North American Indian: Photographic Images 
from the Library of Congress
Gallery of the Open Frontier , University of Nebraska Press and the National Archives
Heritage Colorado People Photographs 
Hopi photographs of Adam Clark Vroman 
Images of the Indian Peoples of the Northern Great Plains 
Nancy Bellzona's Picture Book , 1896 Oklahoma
National Anthropological Archives 
Native American images at American Photochromes 
Native American Photographs : Nineteenth Century Images, Pitt Rivers Museum, University of Oxford
North American Indians , stereographs from the Keystone-Mast Collection
Panoramic photographs  from the National Archives, including one of a large group on Indians.
Photographs from the Union Pacific Railroad Archives 
Picture Collection Online  from the New York Public Library
Pictures of Indians in the United States , in the National Archives
Prints and Photographs Reading Room , Library of Congress
Reading Photographs  including :
Imaging and Imagining the Ghost Dance: James Mooney's Illustrations and Photographs, 1891-93 by Thomas W. Kavanagh
Reading Photographs by Thomas W. Kavanagh
on the examination of the Wanamaker Collection of American Indian photographs
Domestic Architecture in the Comanche Village on Medicine Creek, Indian Territory, Winter by Thomas W. Kavanagh
Reading Historic Photographs: Photographers of the Pawnee by Thomas W. Kavanagh
Richard Throssel: Photographer of the Crows  [Missing 3/15/04]
Selected Photographs  from the Helios exhibition at the National Museum of American Art
Smithsonian Photographs 
Southern California Indian Images - California Heritage Collection 
Southern California Indian Images - San Diego Historical Society 
Special Collections and Archives Department, Cline Library , Northern Arizona University
Visual Records Collections , British Columbia Archives

532 posted on 02/25/2005 4:38:07 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Stultis

Oh, how kind of you! This will keep me busy all weekend! LOL!


533 posted on 02/25/2005 4:42:08 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: purpleland
WAIT a minute! If the painting is original, it's original and NOT copied. A copyist cannot claim "originality". However, if its a painted copy or facsimile of an original, the copyist must credit the original artist - even if its a photographer. I know, because I sometimes use photos for my own "art models" - not having any live models at hand. However, I am not a copiest nor a duplicator. I use a figure or face in a photograph as a guide for proportion and gesture for my entirely original subject.

Outside of academic settings, is there any requirement to credit public domain works? To be sure, it's generally done, but if I paint a woman who looks like the Mona Lisa standing next to Abraham Lincoln, do I have to credit either Leonardo da Vinci or the original photographer?

534 posted on 02/25/2005 4:44:32 PM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: feefee

place holder


535 posted on 02/25/2005 5:01:47 PM PST by feefee
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To: Fizzie

yay,...YAAAY YAHOOOOOOO, did you just see that on Mr.Bill??


536 posted on 02/25/2005 5:16:10 PM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: Miss Marple

monday night O'Reilly


537 posted on 02/25/2005 5:17:55 PM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: All

Heads up... O'Reilly just showed the tape on FOX and said they will have the full story Monday!


538 posted on 02/25/2005 5:17:58 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Dad yer funny

I had it on, but wasn't paying attention.

????


539 posted on 02/25/2005 5:18:25 PM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: Flyer

yeah,...Monday night,...O'Reilly,...boy do I hope thery're gonna be thorough,...HEY,at least they're on it


540 posted on 02/25/2005 5:22:38 PM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: leadpenny; Howlin; Miss Marple
I'll be very surprised if Drudge has not picked up on this story by the time I get home from work this afternoon. Gotta go.

wretchard has this thread linked at his site the Belmont Club.

541 posted on 02/25/2005 5:37:55 PM PST by Dog (FReepers-- - -- --- We are a battery of 80,000 bullsh*t-seeking missiles.)
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To: JennysCool

542 posted on 02/25/2005 5:41:29 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: Miss Marple
This will keep me busy all weekend! LOL!

FreeRepublic. Home on the web to conservatives and experts on Amerindian photography...

543 posted on 02/25/2005 5:57:34 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Howlin

This whole thing is just getting to be comical.


544 posted on 02/25/2005 6:00:19 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
Over at DU, a few die-hards are claiming that it's not copyright infringement, it's not fraud, it's not a flat-out copy....

It's POSTMODERNISM!

Therefore, Ward isn't a fraud, he's just a postmodern artist.

(I gotta stop laughing...)

545 posted on 02/25/2005 6:09:08 PM PST by zoyd (I'm with the government. We're going to make you like your neighbor.)
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To: zoyd

LOL! Classic.


546 posted on 02/25/2005 6:15:45 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Peach; cake_crumb; Miss Marple; All
The link of wretchard's over at Belmont Club has transcript that says Churchill actually took a swing and assaulted the News4 reporter or cameraman when they attempted to ask him about this art forgery. Here's the transcript from the site:

The News4 man, Raj Chohan, confronted Churchill with a copy of his signed "original" artwork obtained from a buyer called Duke Prentup and was nearly punched for his trouble.

"Get that camera out of my face," Churchill said.

"This is an artwork we've got called 'Winter Attack.' It looks like it was based on a Thomas Mails painting; it looks like you ripped it off. Can you tell us about that?" Chohan asked.

That prompted Churchill to take a swing at Chohan while he held a stack of papers in his hand. The exchange continued:

Chohan: "Sir, that's assault, you can't do that. Can I ask you about this? It looks like you copied it."

Churchill: "I was just grabbed by the arm. And that (camera) gets out of my face."

Chohan: "Sir, we're allowed to take these pictures, this is a public space."

Churchill: "You're not allowed to grab be by the arm."

Chohan: "He didn't touch you sir, we've got it all on tape. Sir, this is called Winter Attack. It's a serigraph by you. It looks like it was copied from Thomas Mails artwork. Can we talk to you about that please?"

Full melt-down, right before our eyes. Hehee!

547 posted on 02/25/2005 6:16:15 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Blogs have a strangle hold on the MSM. The MSM is kicking out the windshield.)
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To: Boazo

548 posted on 02/25/2005 6:17:17 PM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: hoosiermama
My theory is inside many of the lefties is a righty trying to "fit in".

So true, hoosier, and it's usually the husband or boyfriend.

549 posted on 02/25/2005 6:19:49 PM PST by JennysCool (I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the barn and do nothing. -Johnny Carson)
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To: knuthom

I am sure I saw the photo for that painting either in the Heard Museum in Pheonix or in the North Arizona Museum (?) in Flagstaff.


550 posted on 02/25/2005 6:28:22 PM PST by TaxRelief (Support the Troops Rally, Fayetteville, NC -- March 19, 2005)
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