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Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question
News4 Colorado ^ | 2/24/05 | Raj Chohan

Posted on 02/24/2005 10:19:19 PM PST by Fizzie

Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question

by CBS4 News reporter Raj Chohan

Feb 24, 2005 8:03 pm US/Mountain BOULDER, Colo. (CBS4) Boulder County resident Duke Prentup has been a fan of native American art for as long as he can remember. That love of art took him to the home of Ward Churchill in the early 1980's, where Prentup bought several pieces of Churchill's art, including a serigraph titled "Winter Attack."

"I have enjoyed them ever since immensely, they're obviously up inside my house," Prentup said.

Last month came a stunning revelation, though, as as Prentup flipped through a 1972 book called The Mystic Warriors of the Plains written and illustrated by the late artist Thomas E. Mails. He found a sketch that was strikingly similar to the Churchill piece.

(Excerpt) See the rest of the article, and photo comparisons of the 2 pieces of art here: http://news4colorado.com/topstories/local_story_055200531.html

(Excerpt) Read more at news4colorado.com ...


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To: Miss Marple
It's actually gotten me to look up some of the art work of my first cousin, twice removed, Woodrow Wilson (Woody) Crumbo. Always new he was a NA artist. Now I've actually seen some of his work.

The latest photos used by Wart remind me of photos used to identify/document the tribes in the 19th Century....There are hundreds of them and I don't imagine they would be under any copyright laws, are probably in public domain by now.
601 posted on 02/26/2005 5:53:40 AM PST by hoosiermama (It's more than an election...It's a change of heart....an enlightenment....life is important)
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To: Fizzie

It is a nice piece of artwork, but OBVIOUSLY a COPY!


602 posted on 02/26/2005 12:18:17 PM PST by buffyt (It is important to protect people from a local crime - what about an entire nation??????)
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To: Fizzie

The University of Colorado guys have more than enough on Churchill by now. By early March they have the ruling? Will be interesting to see that result. Get him the heck out of there!


603 posted on 02/26/2005 12:33:15 PM PST by Nate1984
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To: Stillwaters; TomGuy

Oh, brother. Ping to post #349 to see the side-by-side comparisons. Since you probably don't have time to read the replies on this thread, other highlights that have been posted are: A few more forged/copied "lithographs" from Churchill, plus auctions on eBay for some of these "original" lithographs going for $250+.


604 posted on 02/26/2005 1:09:28 PM PST by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: Fizzie

As a professional graphic artist, I say this is outright plagiarism!


605 posted on 02/26/2005 2:58:16 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: msnimje
"It's an original work by me, after Thomas Mails ... the fact that the purchaser was ignorant of the reality of what was perfectly publicly stated at the time the edition was printed is not my responsibility," Churchill said."

Even if he stated he copied the other artist's illustration, HE STILL COPIED! This is out and out plagiarism.

606 posted on 02/26/2005 3:00:05 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: Flyer

Seen this?


607 posted on 02/26/2005 3:02:51 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Ward Cleaver?


608 posted on 02/26/2005 3:06:17 PM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: GOPJ

see 573

he needs to be prosecuted for destruction of public property, inciting to riot and all his speeding tickets called back up


this guy is not funny, he is a deep and dirty CRIMINAL


609 posted on 02/26/2005 3:07:44 PM PST by chemainus
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To: purpleland

#578

It's a Mutual Admiration Society of Corruption


610 posted on 02/26/2005 3:09:47 PM PST by chemainus
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To: Flyer

Any time you copy someone else's photo for your artwork, without their permission, it's PLAGIARISM.


611 posted on 02/26/2005 3:09:52 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: Flyer
Just puffin' on a phatty and copying some art, dude!

There's a good pic of him toking somewhere but danged if I can find it.

612 posted on 02/26/2005 3:13:29 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
When you find it, copy it, blur it a little and add some color.

Not as cool as Mr. Pan, but art, nonetheless.
613 posted on 02/26/2005 3:16:28 PM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: Flyer
When you find it, copy it, blur it a little and add some color.

I got bored with that. I created some original art depicting Brer Churchill
in Vietnam, on the riverside, under fire with his pals.

Watch for me on Ebay!


614 posted on 02/26/2005 3:53:22 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Watch for me on Ebay!

Very nice!

Be sure to choose an ethnic group to be a member of to add to the value.

615 posted on 02/26/2005 4:06:00 PM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: chemainus

#578

"It's a Mutual Admiration Society of Corruption"

In one line, you said it!


616 posted on 02/26/2005 4:09:34 PM PST by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: Howlin
What have I forgotten?

He's not American.

617 posted on 02/26/2005 4:10:49 PM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary Clinton's so crooked...you can't tell from her tracks whether she's coming or going....)
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To: Fizzie
Here's the listing description:

The item up for auction now is a very striking and impressive serigraph/lithograph by renowned Native American author and artist, Ward Churchill ( Keetoowah Band Cherokee).

Churchill is Professor Emeritus of Ethnic Studies at the University of Colorado, and is the Coordinator of American Indian Studies at the same institution. He is also Associate Director of the Center for Studies of Ethnicity and Race in America and Co-Director of the Colorado Chapter of the American Indian Movement. Additionally he is a member of the American Indian Anti-Defamation Council and the author of many books and scholarly publications.

An accomplished artist in his own right, the work up for auction now is entitled "Winter Attack". It measures 27" wide by 20" tall and is very nicely framed. Signed by the artist, lower right, it is marked "A.P." for Artists Proof.

The image is laid on rag paper and the maker's watermark is embossed in the lower right corner. This piece is in excellent conditon with no foxing, wrinkling or damage of any kind. It was purchased at a prestigious gallery in Santa Fe, New Mexico many years ago and has been well cared for in a prominent art collection in the Denver, Colorado area.

The image is a very stark and compelling one that evokes a sense of isolation and resignation at the same time, yet is elegant. One of the finer pieces by this controversial, but important artist, it would be the perfect addition to the Native American or Ethnic art collection.

Please excuse the reflections in the images below, the piece presents beautifully in person! Buyer to pay $27.50 shipping in the Continental USA, International ship = more $$, inquiries are welcome ask early and often as all sales are final.

618 posted on 02/26/2005 4:15:50 PM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary Clinton's so crooked...you can't tell from her tracks whether she's coming or going....)
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To: Miss Marple

Drat. I can't find the photo now and I've quickly flipped through most of my books. I couldn't find the one photo I was thinking of which could be similar, either, in the time I had, so perhaps I'm wrong and this is a composite of more than one photo.


619 posted on 02/26/2005 4:21:48 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: NormsRevenge

"maybe he copied some of her works, too?"

The question here is, who did she copy HER works from?
She was an affirmative action hothouse orchid who was incapable of rational thought, much less creating serious books.


620 posted on 02/26/2005 4:22:59 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: mollynme
Mollynme - do you remember when we used to work for NPV? In the gift shop they had turquoise jewelry that was labeled like this:

GENUINE
 
INDIAN
inspired
JEWELRY

And the "inspired" fontsize was so small that it looked like a smudge, and I'm sure those boatloads of senior citizen shoppers couldn't make it out even with their reading glasses on.

Deceptive labeling like this reminds me in so many ways of WC. It's such a shame that up until now the name "Churchill" has invoked images of greatness. Now that name is forever tarnished.

621 posted on 02/26/2005 5:24:42 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: Flyer
Be sure to choose an ethnic group to be a member of to add to the value.

Fire up, dude!

622 posted on 02/26/2005 5:25:33 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

How about Genune American Indian Jewelry, made by real immigrants from India?


623 posted on 02/26/2005 7:32:21 PM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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Place holder bump.
624 posted on 02/27/2005 8:02:20 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Fury
"CU has a major problem on their hands. The longer they wait, the worse it gets. He is discrediting their university.

Actually, this POS has been discrediting CU for as long as he's been there only now it's out in the open. Like Cockroaches, we all know there are many, many more of these frauds in academe, each awaiting a simple look.

Look at the facts here - Churchill, despite all of his obvious and easily detected frauds was sailing along under the radar, appealing to his group of radical zealots, until his essay on 911 got press - Over two years AFTER it had been written. Once the spotlight was trained, all of his fraud has come tumbling out and I hope his fate is now determined - Termination without severance or benefits.

I am very certain many, many of these intellectual frauds would suffer similar fates if given a similar airing of their outrageous 'scholarship'. These frauds and charlatans have been free to ply their trade in American Universities far too long and, in the process, have replicated their ideas into the heads of their unfortunate students. IMO Churchill is really not much different than cult chieftain Charles Manson or a Radical Islamic Imam in charge of a Madrassas.

625 posted on 02/27/2005 9:37:09 AM PST by drt1
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To: JesseJane
WARDOGIF?

W. C. FRAUDS?

626 posted on 02/28/2005 12:29:48 AM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

And who knew Solomon was a Republican?


627 posted on 02/28/2005 9:03:29 AM PST by Skypilot48
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To: Drango; Howlin
O'Reilly is supposed to have a segment on the art fraud this evening.
628 posted on 02/28/2005 4:55:55 PM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: Flyer

Yeah I got my TV on....


629 posted on 02/28/2005 4:58:08 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Flyer

I am going to break my long-standing habit of avoiding O'Reilly tonight to see what he has to say about this fraudster.


630 posted on 02/28/2005 4:58:52 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: All
Another from Ward we may want to track down Item #7304017418 on Ebay. Also 7304011800

Sleuth on!

631 posted on 02/28/2005 5:08:07 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: RikaStrom

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632 posted on 02/28/2005 5:22:57 PM PST by RikaStrom
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To: Drango
Well, O'Reilly's show on Ward...~sigh...what to say...it was OK, but FReepers found TWO other cases of Copyright violations. Raj and Silverman know about them as they were emailed this thread. WHY NOT BRING IT OUT?
633 posted on 02/28/2005 5:30:03 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango
I am not sure that the other two cases were copyright infringement...just copying old stuff and pretending it was original. The photographs might not have been under copyright.

I was satisfied that the news of the first picture was shown, as well as another playing of the tape where Churchill hits the reporter.

I also was glad to see that if they do't do anything about Churchill, the people of Colorado are going to go ballistic.

634 posted on 02/28/2005 5:33:55 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
I am not sure that the other two cases were copyright infringement...just copying old stuff and pretending it was original.

Very good point. However, copying art and passing it off as original has got to be a sin in academia? Right? If not I've got an original Mona Lisa I'd like to sell to CU.

635 posted on 02/28/2005 5:39:28 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango
Well, what I really think is that O'Reilly is going to drag out bits of this night after night, like they are doing the investigating. It's ok with me as long as Churchill goes down.

By the way, has he cut his hair, or was that an old picture? If he has cut his hair, I think it is because he was too recognizable to the general public. I bet he was getting a lot of harassment on airplanes as he flew to his speaking engagements.

636 posted on 02/28/2005 5:43:06 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Drango

Are those two pictures Ward Churchill's?


637 posted on 02/28/2005 5:48:41 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
Yes both are on ebay...and ~chuckle~ both have

Certificate of Authenticity is included

638 posted on 02/28/2005 5:52:50 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: PRND21

Churchill is a garden variety democrat who got caught. He can spit-shine his answers all day long, but you can't put a high shine on a turd.


640 posted on 02/28/2005 6:06:51 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: Flyer; Texas Songwriter; Fizzie; Darkwolf377; Dad yer funny; Howlin; beyond the sea; msnimje; ...
but you can't put a high shine on a turd.

You know this how? Never mind I don't wanna know. (grin)

This has been a super great thread...Tracking down art copyright. WOOOOHOOOO. thanks for the fun all!

641 posted on 02/28/2005 6:29:19 PM PST by Drango
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To: Drango

I think I remember seeing the top image when I was searching the other day. I'm off to work here shortly and don't have time, but it is worth a search if someone has time.


642 posted on 02/28/2005 10:51:23 PM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: Fizzie

Can someone with the computer skills take several famous paintings, do mirror images, and sign Churchill's name to them? Maybe they could be advertised as WARD CHURCHILL GENUINE FAKES on ebay.


643 posted on 02/28/2005 10:55:25 PM PST by doug from upland (Ray Charles --- a great musician and safer driver than Ted Kennedy)
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