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Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question
News4 Colorado ^ | 2/24/05 | Raj Chohan

Posted on 02/24/2005 10:19:19 PM PST by Fizzie

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To: peyton randolph

Peyton, you gave me an idea. I Googled Churchill and silkscreen, and the work of "art" is on Ebay!

Quick, someone capture it before it goes down. I am good at some things, but this ain't it...

http://cgi.tw.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=360&item=7301790643&rd=1


51 posted on 02/24/2005 10:49:27 PM PST by Fizzie
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To: radiohead
OK then, how about, "an honest to goodness con artist"?

Nyuk nyuk!

52 posted on 02/24/2005 10:49:42 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: Howlin

LOL you beat me to it. You might want to save the page to your hard drive, too, for posterity.


54 posted on 02/24/2005 10:55:45 PM PST by Blue Champagne
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To: Howlin

you are good, Howlin! Thanks.

For what it's worth, the site had all those weird characters on it when I went there too. Wonder when it went up for sale? And who is selling? The guy in the News4 story, Prentup?


55 posted on 02/24/2005 10:56:00 PM PST by Fizzie
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To: Dad yer funny; Texas_Jarhead; Fizzie; radiohead; Billthedrill; Petronski; ...
if ol' Ward was a cook in the Navy,he'd be over the fantail with the rest of the trash

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2005/0205/021105-ward-churchill.htm

DENVER—An exhaustive investigation by Bob Newman of Newsradio 850 KOA (Denver), who is also a frequent guest military & terrorism analyst on the FOX News Channel and a Men's News Daily columnist, into the genuine Vietnam service record of radical University of Colorado Professor Ward Churchill, has revealed that Churchill’s claimed combat experience is in direct contradiction to his official military records.

After a confidential source provided Mr. Newman with documents pertaining to Professor Churchill’s military service and his employment at the University of Colorado, Mr. Newman began an investigation into the documents’ authenticity.

Using his own sources and calling upon the investigative skills of FOX News Channel’s Rita Cosby, Mr. Newman was able to verify that Professor Churchill, despite his public claim (in a 1987 Denver Post interview) of having been a paratrooper (Airborne qualified) who conducted long-range reconnaissance patrols (LRRPs; extremely dangerous missions conducted by some of the most elite soldiers in the US Army) hunting North Vietnamese in Vietnam during and after the Tet Offensive of 1968, and despite his claim that he was a point man in an infantry combat unit, was in fact trained only as a jeep driver and projectionist (he was trained to operate film-strip machines and movie projectors), according to official documentation from the National Personnel Records Center, the US repository for military records.

Denver attorneys Dan Caplis and Craig Silverman, both colleagues of Mr. Newman at Clear Channel Colorado, then acquired Professor Churchill’s original resume that resulted in his being hired by the University of Colorado. That resume matched exactly the resume Gunny Bob had acquired from his confidential source. On that resume, Professor Churchill cited no combat experience whatsoever, no Airborne training, no infantry training or experience and no winning of the Combat Infantry Badge. Instead, it said his experience in Vietnam consisted of his duties as a “Public Information Specialist,” as which he “wrote and edited the battalion newsletter and wrote news releases.”

Verification of Professor Churchill’s real Vietnam service record was completed with the direct assistance of the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis.

Gunny Bob notes that in the same 1987 Denver Post report, Professor Churchill admitted to being a bomb-building and weapons instructor for the Weather Underground, a domestic terrorist group active in the 1970s.

56 posted on 02/24/2005 10:56:16 PM PST by beyond the sea (Barbara Boxer is Barbra Streisand on peyote .....)
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57 posted on 02/24/2005 10:59:01 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Fizzie

you can save it on your eBay Watch List


58 posted on 02/24/2005 10:59:14 PM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: Fizzie

59 posted on 02/24/2005 10:59:45 PM PST by BJungNan (B is da B, Jung is True. Nan is Man)
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To: msnimje
It's an original work by me, after Thomas Mails ... the fact that the purchaser was ignorant of the reality of what was perfectly publicly stated at the time the edition was printed is not my responsibility," Churchill said.

How hard is it to superimpose them? Is anything beyond a single linear transform necessary to make almost everything 'fit'? If the thing were merely eyeballed off the original, it might have some merit (though unless the original was in the public domain or he had permission of the original artist, that would still be a no-no). But the photos don't make me think he even did that.

60 posted on 02/24/2005 11:00:19 PM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: Fizzie; Blue Champagne

"View Partial Source" is the bomb, eh??


61 posted on 02/24/2005 11:01:40 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: hoosiermama

It looks fake, but accurate, to me.


62 posted on 02/24/2005 11:02:04 PM PST by JennysCool (I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the barn and do nothing. -Johnny Carson)
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To: BJungNan

Snort, SNORT.


63 posted on 02/24/2005 11:02:29 PM PST by Blue Champagne
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To: Blue Champagne

Pretty quick work, huh?


64 posted on 02/24/2005 11:03:31 PM PST by BJungNan (B is da B, Jung is True. Nan is Man)
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To: Fizzie

LOL... he's even an art fraud.


AHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA... what else doesn't he do?


65 posted on 02/24/2005 11:03:35 PM PST by kenth (I love the smell of burning troll in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

"Artist Proof"

Unbelievable!


66 posted on 02/24/2005 11:03:38 PM PST by msnimje
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To: BJungNan

WOWEE!! that is perfect,...I swear


67 posted on 02/24/2005 11:03:40 PM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: Fizzie
You know, we couldn't make this stuff up.

Unbelievable.

68 posted on 02/24/2005 11:03:44 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("The insurgents are weak, they are afraid of democracy, they are losing." Batool Al Musawi)
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To: Howlin

REmove the .tw from the middle of the ebay url for a page in English.


69 posted on 02/24/2005 11:04:09 PM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: Fizzie

We already know what a pathetic bastard this Churchill guy is and thus, no new revelation is a surprise.


70 posted on 02/24/2005 11:05:06 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: Fizzie

Great find! Somehow Burkett and MSWord are involved. I just know it. ;-)


71 posted on 02/24/2005 11:05:24 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: hoosiermama

The original is better!


72 posted on 02/24/2005 11:05:39 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: All

Is somebody going to pass this along to BOR or somebody in the media?


73 posted on 02/24/2005 11:06:11 PM PST by msnimje
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To: BJungNan

ROFL


74 posted on 02/24/2005 11:06:15 PM PST by beyond the sea (Barbara Boxer is Barbra Streisand on peyote .....)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

yeah,...but don't you have a feelin' Mr. Rove's fingerprints are,...well,....oh no


75 posted on 02/24/2005 11:06:15 PM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: Howlin
Damn that looks like a some Japanese art work from the 18th century,

Wonder is WC is really producing so new work?

76 posted on 02/24/2005 11:06:29 PM PST by dts32041 (When did the Democratic party stop being the political arm of the KKK?)
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To: msnimje

Maybe Drudge?


77 posted on 02/24/2005 11:06:47 PM PST by msnimje
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To: supercat

Um, I copied that from eBay, while I was logged in; is it active? LOL.........I mean, can people find out who I am?


78 posted on 02/24/2005 11:07:37 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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Howlin, "view partial source" is be the bomb alright. But it's still Greek to me, I'm embarrassed to say.

Really... this is why FR is so good. So many people, with so many divergent levels and areas of expertise. It's called Teamwork.


79 posted on 02/24/2005 11:09:21 PM PST by Fizzie
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To: Howlin
It looks OK now on this FR page, but as soon as the eBay seller takes it down and removes the photos from the server they're hosted on, this FR webpage will show a bunch of photo "place-holders" that look like this:

Unless of course someone saves the photos too? (hint hint)

80 posted on 02/24/2005 11:10:00 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: Billthedrill

Did he take a clue from Dan Rather's "accurate but fake"

Are these idiots related ..??


81 posted on 02/24/2005 11:10:30 PM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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To: Howlin
The image is a very stark and compelling one that evokes a sense of isolation

I'll say....

82 posted on 02/24/2005 11:10:39 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Fizzie
Michelle Malkin has posted the transcripts from the latest Churchill audio here: (Audio links at her web site)

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001588.htm

====================== Transcript for Part I:

Question from audience: You mentioned a little bit ago, ‘Why did it take a bunch of Arabs to do what you all should have done a long time ago,’ that’s my question.

And as a white man standing here in your midst from a fairly liberal/conservative/middle of the road background—and I tell people I’m so far left I’m coming up on the rigt—and I’d like you to respond to, why shouldn’t we do something and how could we move so they don’t see us coming?

Churchill: I’m gonna repeat that, tell me if I got that right: Why shouldn’t we do something and how do you you move so they don’t see you coming.

As to the first part, not a reason in the world that I could see. I can’t find a single reason that you shouldn’t in a principled way—there may be some practical considerations, such as do you know how (laughter from audience)—you know, often these things are processes. It’s not just an impulse. And certainly it’s not just an event. And the simple answer, although it probably should be more complicated, but I’m not being flip and giving the simple answer, is: You carry the weapon. That’s how they don’t see it coming.

You’re the one…They talk about ‘color blind or blind to your color.’ You said it yourself.

You don’t send the Black Liberation Army into Wall Street to conduct an action.

You don’t send the American Indian Movement into downtown Seattle to conduct an action. Who do you send? You. Your beard shaved, your hair cut close, and wearing a banker’s suit.

There’s probably a whole lot more to it, you know that. But there’s where you start.

======================= Transcript for Part II:

If you are Arab, for example, you are automatically profiled as a potential terrorist. Period. And you can be asked to leave a plane because some Nordic-looking woman two rows down tells the stewardess she’s not comfortable with you being there—her presence makes her uncomfortable—why? Because it was Arabs who flew planes into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. See. And that fact—she’s on an airplane and there’s an Arab and somehow psychologically it makes her uncomfortable so it’s very understandable that she not be asked to leave since she’s made it clear that she’s not going to be a very big risk to the flight, but rather the individuals sitting there doing nothing have to leave.

And why by the way did it take Arabs to do what people here should have done a long time ago?

======================== Transcript for Part III:

Question from audience:

I’m backing up a step to the Twin Towers falling down, um, there’s been implications about how…well, the first thing I thought about when it down was ‘Oh [expletive], that plays right into what they want to do to us.’ Maybe you can follow up on that. [applause]

Churchill: Your first thought was, well, yeah, you put it pretty well, I’ll accept you at your word, your first thought was ‘Oh [expletive], that plays right into what they want to do to us.’

Well, then, welcome to the club! Welcome to the club along with 565,000 Iraqi children who were systemically starved and denied medical attention to death in less than 10 years while Madeline Albright goes on television on 60 Minutes no less, receives the number, and says yes, ‘I’ve heard it, we’ve decided it’s worth the cost.’

Welcome to the club with the rest of the world. A little bit. I don’t care if it plays into the hands of what they had in mind for you unless you’re doing something tangible to make it stop, what’s already being done to those people on the receiving end.

Why should you be exempt and immune? So instead of ‘Oh [expletive],’ right on. Right on.

And I’m trying to elicit some response. I want someone to take this up, because I know you all aren’t agreeing with me on this.

======================= Transcript for Part IV:

Churchill on getting revenge for speeding tickets: …And I’m not really comfortable with, since I’m presenting no public hazard ever when I’m ticketed, can attest to that, we can take that further at some point tonight if you’d like to, if you’d like to challenge it, but I’m presenting no public hazard, I’m simply being asked to ante up to pay for my own repression.

Not being comfortable with that, I have a rule of thumb: I smile very politely to the cop, take the ticket, look to see how much the fine is going to be, and before I leave that state, I make sure I cause at least that much property damage in state material before I go, so it’s a wash, boys and girls (laughter and applause).

83 posted on 02/24/2005 11:11:05 PM PST by ajolympian2004
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When contacted at his home in North Carolina, Ryan Mails, the son of the late Thomas Mails said the family still retained the copyrights to the drawings of the Mystic Warriors book, and that his father fiercely defended the copyrights. "I cannot imagine he would ever grant permission to anyone to copy one of his pieces," he said.

Hehehe that what old Injun Ward can do with the speaking fee he just got from University of Hawaii. Wait, he probably spent it all already.

"Sure, it makes me angry, it makes me very disappointed," Prentup said. "I wanted some original artwork from what appeared to be a very good local artist. Now I don't know what I've got."

If he doesn't know what he's got, Injun Ward should offer to sell him another original art piece.

84 posted on 02/24/2005 11:11:24 PM PST by Ruth A.
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To: BJungNan

Another classic on this thread. Great work, BJungNan! LOL


85 posted on 02/24/2005 11:11:50 PM PST by Fizzie
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STUNNING SERIGRAPH LITHOGRAPH WARD CHURCHILL WOW!!!

Shouldn't that be "STUNEING"?

86 posted on 02/24/2005 11:14:03 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: msnimje
Is somebody going to pass this along to BOR or somebody in the media?

I just e-mailed a note to the seller on eBay asking if he was familiar with the news story. Included part of the article and the URL to read it. Will post any response. :-)

87 posted on 02/24/2005 11:14:30 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: Howlin

Excellent work, Howlin'!

I've left a note using the Ask Seller A Question feature to notify the seller of the bogus nature of Churchill's "art" with a link to the news item.


88 posted on 02/24/2005 11:15:34 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Well, I certainly am stuned, how about you?


89 posted on 02/24/2005 11:15:53 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin

Is she the twit that was on the Committee who wouldn't give up her seat ..?? Is she that Berry?


90 posted on 02/24/2005 11:16:03 PM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

!!!gnizama tsuJ


91 posted on 02/24/2005 11:16:29 PM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: BradyLS

I hope nobody can log into my eBay page from #57........LOL.


92 posted on 02/24/2005 11:16:30 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Fizzie
What is Ward Churchill's stance on Native American artists having their work stolen by WHITE MEN who represent it as there own for their own capitalist interests?
93 posted on 02/24/2005 11:16:31 PM PST by msnimje
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To: peyton randolph

Dang! Yer fast!!!


94 posted on 02/24/2005 11:16:48 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Wolfgang_Blitzkrieg

One might say that Ward Churchill is PROSTHETIC.


95 posted on 02/24/2005 11:17:29 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: CyberAnt
One and the same.


96 posted on 02/24/2005 11:17:34 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: BradyLS
I've left a note using the Ask Seller A Question feature to notify the seller of the bogus nature of Churchill's "art" with a link to the news item

You should tell the bidders rather than the seller.

97 posted on 02/24/2005 11:17:37 PM PST by msnimje
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To: Howlin

That auction is going to see some traffic starting real soon.


98 posted on 02/24/2005 11:18:28 PM PST by BJungNan (B is da B, Jung is True. Nan is Man)
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To: JennysCool

lol


99 posted on 02/24/2005 11:19:19 PM PST by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: BradyLS

But .. he obtained the job through fraud - using Affirmative Action by claiming to be an American Indian.

And .. it's highly unusual for a person without a doctorate degree to be given charge of a dept at a university.


100 posted on 02/24/2005 11:19:42 PM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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