Posted on 02/25/2005 3:04:24 PM PST by nickcarraway
Another New Democratic Private Member’s Bill supported by Liberals
OTTAWA, February 25, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – At the Federal Liberals’ national convention in March, party members will be asked to support the introduction of legislation to legalize protitution legal in Canada. If passed by the 2,000 delegates meeting from across Canada, the party would ask Parliament to remove section 213 of the Criminal Code, which currenlty prohibits the activity.
National director of Young Liberals Denise Brunsdon said the issue is a priority on the convention agenda. “This is one of the few resolutions brought forward by the national executive themselves,” Brunsdon told the Ottawa Citizen.
Introduced as a private members bill by Vancouver East NDP Libby Davies, the measure is now the focus of a standing committee on justice sub-committee, comprised of Davies, Vancouver Centre Liberal Hedy Fry, Trois-Rivières Bloc Québécois member Paule Brunelle, and Calgary Northeast Conservative Art Hanger. The chairman of the Committee is Welland Liberal John Maloney.
“It's a great idea,” said Liberal Senator Mac Harb, a long-time supporter of legalized prostitution, as reported by the Toronto Sun. As a former Ottawa centre MP, Harb tabled a similar private members bill in 2000. “The upcoming convention will be debating it and I presume it will receive substantial support from the delegates,” Harb said Wednesday. “It's my hope the resolution will pass.”
Harb said that after prostitution is legal, it would then be up to cities to set up red-light districts or brothels. Harb commended Amsterdam’s red light district as a great tourist attraction. “Other jurisdictions have done it very successfully – Amsterdam is a case in point,” he said. “It is a major tourist attraction there, and it works.”
REAL Women of Canada (RWC), meanwhile, warned that legalization creates legitimacy and legitimacy leads to increased usage of prostitution. Legalized prostitution does not stop illegal prostitution, but allows it to continue to operate, they said. “In fact, experience in other countries indicates that the result of legalizing prostitution has been that all forms of prostitution boomed, with unregulated prostitution increasing faster than legal prostitution activities,” a RWC press release pointed out.
RWC also warned that red light districts often become centres for drug trafficking and other crimes because police make few checks of legal brothels, with the result that they quickly become ideal locations for drug connections. “Posing as clients, drug dealers thrive, completely assured of privacy for their transactions.”
REAL Women is encouraging all concerned citizens to consider appearing before the Committee, either in Ottawa or in one of the cities nearest you. The Committee will cover your expenses - travel, hotel, meals, etc. - if you are accepted as a witness. The committee will hold regional meetings throughout Canada beginning March 15.
To write, fax or email to request an appearance before the Committee:
Mr. Marc-Olivier Girard Committee Clerk, Subcommittee on Solicitation Laws of the Standing Committee on Justice, Human Rights, Public Safety And Emergency Preparedness Room 621,180 Wellington Street Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6
Telephone: 613-944-5635 Fax: (613) 992-9069 E-mail: sslr@parl.gc.ca
Man, these folks just don't know when to quit!
Well, their unemployment rate is far worse than ours (and so is their GDP). I guess they need all the help they can get.
You mean that stuff they're up to in St. Catherines and Niagara Falls (of all places) is against the law?
Last thing Canada needs is yet another hooker.
If so, I hope all the sexually perverted Americans move there permanently.
Great more unemployed women to lose their benefit for failure to take "legal" jobs when offerred.
Legalize it? I didn't think anything was illegal in liberal socialist Canada?
We have it in Nevada; and still somehow we have survived.
Prostitition is at least 'honest'. It's more honest and straightforward than dinner, lies and a movie. I'm sure in some cases, it's even cheaper ...
It is also taxed, and medically regulated; which is better than the 'independant contractors'.
Prostitution is another "non crime" that government needs to get out of. Come on libertarians, speak up!
If the government "sets up" brothels, and receives money from the taxes paid on the services of those prostitutes, doesn't that make the Canadian government a "pimp"?
Well, as Chris Rock would say: "Hey! They been Hos up there for years!"
I always thought "Screw Canada" was just an expression.
So now they're going to CHARGE Chirac for what they're currently giving him for free?
LOL
Why not...their government has been prostituting themselves for years
And then, like in Germany, they can force unemployed people
to take those jobs. And you thought that getting laid-off was bad.
haha!
Unfortunately if it's legalized there, the slaver traffic will relocate to there.
Expressing conservative opinions probably is.
"It is also taxed"
That is always the bottom line. That is why it is legal in Nevada and why Canada will probably legalize it. If it is legal, you can tax it. Gotta have those taxes.
Personally I think that is a horrible way to raise revenue that is counter productive to an orderly society. I guess I am just an old backward Puritan.
I'd have to look this up, but iirc, prostitution itself is actually not illegal here. Only soliciting for clients is illegal.
I'm surfing to get some postable sources. So far most of it is pretty sordid. :)
Cool!
Then, using your own logic, I'm sure you won't mind at all whenever I solicit the "services" of any legally-aged, consenting female member of your family working in such a "career". Furthermore, I'm sure you won't mind at all if I recommend her services to all my friends. Furthermore, I'm sure you won't mind when your public-school career counselors suggest this as an opportunity for your teenage son or daughter.
The point here is not to insult you, but to illustrate the fallacy that somehow this is a "harmless" occupation. I'll avoid the morality argument here and instead address the medical one. So it's medically regulated. Big deal. This ain't the freewheelin' 60's where all you had to do was get a shot and everything's hunky-dory. From herpes to chlymadia to a Super-HIV strain that just appeared in New York, there's a suggestion here that such an occupation would be need to be rated with a hazardous-condition clause.
Just because it "works" in Vegas and Germany and wherever else doesn't necessarily justify legalizing it on a grand scale. And if nothing else, such a profession attracts the worst kind of people imaginable.
Plus, collectively as adults, we send the wrong message to our kids with such a cavalier attitude.
I think if Real Women are worried about prostitutes, they should look at their own relationships.
Amen.
(Part 2)
I just read your follow-up about being an "old backward Puritan", so apologies are in order. I mis-read your original statement.
So, I'll "transfer" the argument away from you and towards anyone that openly advocates this as a good idea.
:)
Funny ya mention unemployment. I recently heard a news piece about in Germany where they have legalized prostitution, a woman who lost her job in some factory was offered work by a house of prostitution. Since she refused legal work at comparable pay, she was then denied unemployment benefits.
Need to hunt around for that article I guess...
Yes, you are correct, it is a horrible way to raise tax revenue. However, this is the second oldest profession in the world (second to farming).
So, what has happened where this is legal? Is Amsterdam a sewer? I don't know, never been there. But I have been to Las Vegas and Reno. I find the legalized version far more appealing than the sidestreets in pretty much every major city in the USA.
When it's legal, we have licences, medical requirements, protection from sadists, and age requirements. On the other hand, we have the spread of disease, pimps beating their help, drug use, and underage girls working the streets.
Please disregard (Part 2)
I was in a hurry and mis-directed it. It's Friday and I'm already into Saturday. Please forgive the confusion.
;)
"Personally I think that is a horrible way to raise revenue that is counter productive to an orderly society. I guess I am just an old backward Puritan."
You're not a backward Puritan. I have problems with the legalized gambling that has really become out of control, imo.
Gambling is basically a regressive tax (do the rich buy lottery tickets on a weekly or daily basis? No). In Denver, for example, lottery funds are (or used to be) "set aside" for parks, arts and recreation, which means that the poor pay for the activities of the wealthy and middle class.
Up here there are video poker terminals in every bar, bowling alley, etc., the lottery is promoted heavily (gas station clerks invariably ask me if I want a lottery ticket with my gas or grocery purchase).
A lot of people--including teenagers--are developing problems. So the government has now had to set up programs to help the gambling addicts spurred on by the easily-available gambling. I guess they figure it's worth the investment, which is truly sad when you think about the suffering of the individual problem gambler.
I'm not saying gambling should be illegal, but there are moral issues raised when the government decides to profit from what used to be called "victimless crimes" (drug use, prostitution, gambling).
The age of consent in Canada is 14 according to www.ageofconsent.com .
I wonder will it be considered legal for a junior high school girl to sell her body before she can legally operate a cash register.
So, your answer boils down to
"Think of the Children?"
Seriously, is that the best you can do? How many programs have we had forced down our throats "because of the children". They have children in Las Vegas; and I'm unaware of any epidemic of suicide, depression or collapses in education due to this.
Yeah! When times get tough and money gets short, then whore out the women. And the feminazis will support it, based on the made for TV vision of what prostitution is like.
And just when I thought my contempt for liberals had reached its limit.
Stay on task, turn off the pictures.
Slick Willie will be visiting Canada a lot!
Is this that much worse than getting money from state run lottery's? Where's the line on organized crime?
Well, now all the dope smoking, draft dodging Johns will have somewhere to go.
These people need to get a clue. Prostitution has always been legal here- soliciting in public, pimping and operating a brothel are all criminal offences but the sex-for-money swap is not.
Not quite. It is an offence under the Criminal Code (a federal statute) to have sex with someone under 14, however the age at which one can legally give consent varies by province but is not lower that 16 anywhere in Canada. Therefore one can be charged with rape for having sex with someone between the ages of 14 and 16.
"Stay on task, turn off the pictures."
I'm sorry, I don't get it. I'm not being a smart aleck, I really am not sure what you mean, so please clarify for me.
So, you're going to put legalized prostitution and lotteries on the same level?
As far as I know a lottery ticket doesn't give you a disease, it's way cheaper than a prostitute, you don't get rolled or mugged by a lottery ticket, and if your wife finds your lottery ticket she doesn't file for divorce.
"We're gonna score, eh? Uh-huh huh huh huh huh!"
I certainly wouldn't like it, but it would be her choice and not mine. There are lots of things your family members can do that would disappoint you. How do you decide which of those acts should merit jail time?
And if nothing else, such a profession attracts the worst kind of people imaginable.
I'd expect that the people running illegal prostitution rings today are worse than the owners of legal brothels, much like neighborhood crack dealers are worse than liquor store owners.
Man 2: Eh? My mother is from Canada.
Man 1: What position does she play?
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