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DIVERSITY IN THE CLASSROOM (A Liberal sees the light!)
Santa Barbara News - Press ^ | 2/24/05 | Camilla Cohee

Posted on 02/25/2005 8:16:55 PM PST by WindOracle

Advocate for staying joins fleeing parents

Harding Elementary School PTA President Meredith Brace has led a battle for several years to stop her white neighbors from transferring out of the heavily Latino Westside campus.

Now she's joining them, saying she's not willing to make her son the guinea pig any longer.

The Braces are like hundreds of other local families who, over the years, have sought transfers out of neighborhood schools that are filled with mostly poor Latino children.

"I'm gone," said Mrs. Brace, who on Tuesday requested and was granted a transfer for her first-grade son out of Harding and into the more affluent Hope School, within the nearby Hope Elementary District. "I've just got to the point where, 'Sorry guys, I need what's best for my kids and there's a school that's two miles away that offers all those things I want.' "

About 40 percent of the 462 students at Hope School are there on transfers from the Goleta or Santa Barbara elementary districts.

Some school officials and neighborhood families view Mrs. Brace's departure as a red flag. If someone who has advocated so fiercely against white flight won't stick it out, who will?

A liberal whose father is Superior Court Judge George Eskin and stepmother is former Assemblywoman Hannah-Beth Jackson, Mrs. Brace had been considered over the years as the Great White Hope for Harding.

"This is a major blow," said Santa Barbara school trustee Bob Noel. "Meredith was kind of like Supermom in terms of doing things for her school. . . . You can read racism into this, but I read more of an issue of social class. People don't want to look and see their kid is in a classroom where most of the students are underachievers and where friendship circle possibilities are very, very small because they don't speak the same language."

Harding is 90 percent Latino, 6 percent white. Hope is 73 percent white, 20 percent Latino. Hope families have raised enough money every year to keep on staff an array of specialists in art, music, computers and science -- all the "extras" Mrs. Brace wants for her son, who is 7, and her 4-year-old daughter.

As PTA president, Mrs. Brace said she has tried to start after-school enrichment programs in art and theater at Harding.

"We made it so affordable, $20 for a six- to eight-week session. We told everybody, 'Come on, do something extra for your kids.' We had so few people sign up, we had to eliminate a lot of the classes," she said. "I've met some very lovely people, but we have nothing in common. Every time my husband and I would go over for an event, my husband would feel like it was his first time. We haven't made any friends."

Harding parent Cristina Hernandez said she's seen the school's racial mix change, but that Mrs. Brace shouldn't give up.

"I've been here 14 years now, and all of a sudden we turned around and all the white parents had gone," she said, speaking in Spanish. "They don't want their children side by side with our children. (Mrs. Brace) shouldn't leave. She should stay and keep fighting."

It was about three years ago, before her son entered kindergarten, that Mrs. Brace started going door to door touting Harding's achievements, trying to convince her neighbors to join her in giving the school a try. She even took on the PTA president post before her son had entered kindergarten.

Once her son started, she remained PTA president, volunteered in the classroom, boosted fund-raising efforts, and continued to hold regular neighborhood meetings to make other white families feel comfortable with the campus. While she said she's not bilingual, she used the Spanish she picked up while living in Costa Rica and Mexico to try to connect with Latino parents.

Some of the white families she had convinced to enroll their kids at Harding later bailed out. She said her son has struggled to make friends.

"He hasn't been invited to a birthday party. There is absolutely no after-school interaction," she said. "For his birthday, he invited four of his classmates. Only one came."

Then she was miffed that her skills -- she's a credentialed librarian -- weren't capitalized on in her son's classroom.

Another Harding mother and friend of the Braces, Brenda McDonald, said she had independently decided to transfer her kindergartner out of the campus. Mrs. McDonald is also considering Hope School, or Washington Elementary, which is still within the Santa Barbara district.

"At Harding, the teachers are wonderful. The principal is great. It's the socioeconomic chasm. It's not a gap, it's a huge difference in the population," said Mrs. McDonald, who described herself as a middle-class professional. "We don't have a lot in common with the other families. At the same time, do I want to drive five days a week now every day for the next six years? Then again, if half of the Westside is going in that direction, maybe we can carpool."

Superintendent of Santa Barbara schools Brian Sarvis granted Mrs. Brace's transfer request it "with regrets."

"It's a big loss to the school," Mr. Sarvis said. "But I see Meredith as a parent making the best choice for their child, and other parents making other choices for their children. I don't think any one parent is that critical, but that's not to take anything away from Meredith. She has been wonderful."

Mrs. Brace says she'll stick with her PTA president post until a replacement is found, even though her son starts at Hope School today. Over the years, she has criticized district officials for maintaining open enrollment as an easy way out. Now it's a policy she is taking advantage of.

"They keep telling me, 'No, Meredith, we've got to keep options open to parents or they'll leave.' It's so plain and simple. It's created such segregation. It's left us with a situation that is almost gotten beyond repair."

She said the policy allowing transfers within the district -- and outside of the district when a parent comes up with a valid reason -- has destroyed many neighborhood schools by exacerbating white flight.

With her 4-year-old daughter getting ready to enter kindergarten, Mrs. Brace had recently been courting a dozen other white families in her neighborhood who have children of the same age.

"Every single one of them is going somewhere else, and they had all looked at Harding," she said. "I said to myself, this is not getting any better, so if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. This is not the teacher's fault, or the principal's fault. They're wonderful."

At Harding on Wednesday, mom Amy Voss and her son, second-grader Eric Voss, said they're pleased with the school and planning on staying.

"I like Harding a lot," Eric said. "They got good friends, good teachers. Mrs. Schwyzer is the best."

Teacher Carol Schwyzer has been at Harding since 1991. She described Mrs. Brace as heroic for even taking on the challenge.

"It's sad to see Meredith go. She had such wonderful energy. But is it OK? Yes, we are OK," she said. "We are doing the best we can with who comes through the door. We love our students."

At the same time, Mrs. Schwyzer isn't pleased that Harding has gone from the diverse school it was when she first arrived to the racially isolated campus it is today.

"It's not OK, but it would take a major shake-up on a more systemic level to fix things now," she said. "That balance has tipped too far.

"You see what Meredith was fighting against. She had a vision of how things should be, and she didn't see why she couldn't bring other people along. We have to be sad that it didn't work out."

e-mail: ccohee@newspress.com


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; diversity; education; immigration; pspl; school; schools
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1 posted on 02/25/2005 8:16:56 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: WindOracle


""Hope is 73 percent white, 20 percent Latino""

White is an ethnicity? No, no it's not.


2 posted on 02/25/2005 8:19:17 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: WindOracle

Using "See's" on an education thread is probably not the best idea.


3 posted on 02/25/2005 8:22:37 PM PST by JennysCool (I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the barn and do nothing. -Johnny Carson)
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To: WindOracle
I've been here 14 years now, and all of a sudden we turned around and all the white parents had gone," she said, speaking in Spanish. "They don't want their children side by side with our children. (Mrs. Brace) shouldn't leave. She should stay and keep fighting."

Fighting for what? A third rate education?

4 posted on 02/25/2005 8:22:38 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: JennysCool
Lol, good point, but ya can blame that on my being tired or having a public school education. Take your pick.
5 posted on 02/25/2005 8:25:57 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: WindOracle
""I've been here 14 years now, and all of a sudden we turned around and all the white parents had gone," she said, speaking in Spanish."

A perfect example of modern assimilation.
6 posted on 02/25/2005 8:27:12 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: WindOracle
"I've been here 14 years now, and all of a sudden we turned around and all the white parents had gone," she said, speaking in Spanish.

Well you won't really miss them. After all they never bothered to learn spanish.

8 posted on 02/25/2005 8:30:16 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: WindOracle

Its funny how she stands up for what she believes until all of a sudden it's affecting her.

This is typical liberalism. She is all for convincing (if not outright forcing) others to do something, but forbid she suffer through it herself.


9 posted on 02/25/2005 8:32:20 PM PST by Kidan (www.krashpad.com)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Isn't it a bit funny how the Latinos apparently do not want their own kids surrounded by Latinos, and prefer having a higher percentage of the kids around their own be white? White people want their kids in school with white kids. Latinos want their kids in school with white kids. Damn, we are awful popular for being the source of all the worlds ills.

Is there something wrong with being in a school that happens to be all Latino students? Do they consider those kids to be a bad influence or what? Sounds like some of them are racist against their own people.

10 posted on 02/25/2005 8:32:57 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: WindOracle
I've been here 14 years now, and all of a sudden we turned around and all the white parents had gone," she said, speaking in Spanish.

Why should the woman stay and fight a system where people can be in this country for 14 years and continue to speak Spanish as if they are still in their homeland? No wonder the Braces didn't feel they could make friends or have your typical AMERICAN school experience for their children.

I'm black and I would have moved my child from this school. It isn't a race issue. You have to grab onto your own American culture where you can. You have to make opportunities for your kids to experience their culture and to have normal school experiences and not subjugate every damn thing that made this country great to the lowest common denominator of people who have no intention of assimilating into the culture.

It looks like this woman put up the good fight for a number of years and just decided her children's education wasn't worth sacrificing on the altar of multiculturalism. Good for her.

11 posted on 02/25/2005 8:34:47 PM PST by radiohead (revote in washington state)
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To: Kidan
It is funny how many liberals are anti-gun.. until they get mugged. Think public schools are great.. until it is THEIR kid who cannot read. Think taxes are great.. so long as other people are paying them.
12 posted on 02/25/2005 8:35:32 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: skip_intro
Fighting for what? A third rate education?

Well, pretty much the average public school education is third rate, so that would probably be a big affirmative. Sounds like this school they're fleeing doesn't even rate.

13 posted on 02/25/2005 8:36:59 PM PST by Duke Nukum (King had to write, to sing the song of Gan. And I had to read. How else could Roland find the Tower?)
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To: WindOracle
It is funny how many liberals are anti-gun.. until they get mugged. Think public schools are great.. until it is THEIR kid who cannot read.

After seeing who this woman's relatives are, it's amazing that her kid is in public school at all.

14 posted on 02/25/2005 8:38:01 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: kenth; CatoRenasci; Marie; PureSolace; Congressman Billybob; P.O.E.; cupcakes; Amelia; Diana; ...

15 posted on 02/25/2005 8:39:56 PM PST by Born Conservative (I need a new tagline. Any suggestions?)
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To: radiohead

I totally agree with you.


16 posted on 02/25/2005 8:44:31 PM PST by winner3000
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To: WindOracle
Folks, if you aren't from California, you can't put this in context. This is not just one isolated school. The percentage of children in the LA Unified School District breaks down like this: 72% hispanic, 9% white, 10% black, 9% asian and other. Read that again: 72% hispanic - in a school district with hundreds of thousands of children. In 1970, and for the previous 100 years, those numbers were reversed. Actually, more like 90% white, 10% black up until the early 1980s.

This article is about Santa Barbara - the only reason that there is an essentially all white school to flee to is that Santa Barbara is one of the most expensive towns on the planet - thus only a few of the schools are as impacted as the one described here (and someone else can explain how anyone without a six figure income can live here, but I think I can guess).

That is what has happened in California. The FROBLs here will say, "what of it?" - but what the poor, deluded liberal star of the article has to say speaks volumes: her children are essentially aliens in their own country. Outnumbered by people ethnically, linguistically, and culturally different. Not to mention usually hostile as well. Would anyone with a shred of interest in their children leave them in such a situation?

When did the people of California vote to have this happen to them?

17 posted on 02/25/2005 8:45:26 PM PST by Regulator
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To: WindOracle

You too can experience liberal diversity.

Simply go to a store and get printer paper of several different colors.

Now mix the colorrs in your printer -- some of this, some of that, some of the other.

Now print a document , making numerous copies.

Thre you have liberal diversity. They all say the same thing, but after all, they're different colors, aren'tthey?

And that's what liberals mean by diversity.


18 posted on 02/25/2005 8:45:44 PM PST by TBP
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To: radiohead
"It isn't a race issue. You have to grab onto your own American culture where you can."

Exactly. There is no "American culture" that covers the land. You don't instantly have a cultural connection to someone whose skin color happens to match your own. It is shared experiences that create a connection, and from there the culture is whatever accumulates.

Going to a school because everyone is white or Latino or black is POINTLESS, even to make a statement of some kind (much like the poor and blue collar South Bostonians and Roxbury residents--as opposed to the libs who could afford to send their kids to private schools so they didn't have to take part in the bussing experiment they advocated--were FORCED to "make a statement" about integration. It's not that integration doesn't work, it's that people, KIDS, don't like being forced out of their community to make a political statement. How can we crow about "building communities" and then deny kids the right to go to LOCAL schools, where they make connections with the kids in their communities, and thus their parents connect, etc.

You pick a place to live, and you create your corner of American culture. Basing that culture on skin color is moronic, unless one thinks skin can talk.

19 posted on 02/25/2005 8:46:01 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Condi Rice: Yeaaahhh, baybee! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1350654/posts)
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To: WindOracle

My child attended public grammar school in California. A few of the years she was placed in classes where the majority did not speak English. I had to go to the administrators and demand she not be placed in a bilingual class because we don’t speak Spanish.

There was a map painted on the playground of the 50 US states, with Alaska by itself as well as Hawaii, which would have been OK, but they also included Mexico and Cuba, but not Canada. When I complained to the school, that the map was geographically incorrect since it left off Canada, it did not represent north America and it left the kids to think that Alaska was an island, the principal told me it was because so many kids from the school come from Latin America, and that they needed to present a map for them.

Then there were the winter and Christmas festivals that replaced the Christian Easter and Christmas holidays. We celebrated the traditional holidays in public school as kids growing up in California. But times have changed, this public school was banned from mentioning anything Christian, even though had no problem teaching the kids abut the spiritually of the native American Indians and the paganism of Indian land worship in the kids assignments.

One year the teacher covered posters on the wall during standardized test week, but it was see through paper, and had some of the answers for the students to see . Even still the schools students scored poor on these tests 70 percent of the nation did better, with all the illegals that was no surprise.

When I had enough, I tried to transfer to a better district, the principal said they didn't care if we left; they got more money per student from illegal than US citizens anyhow, and they welcome her to leave to make room for these more important students (paraphrased) .

Since then we have been in private school, well worth the money, and the proper teaching of geography, religion, English that goes with it. Glad were are out, at least now my daughter doesn't have to write to the governor to lobby for illegal immigrant drivers licence , like I heard one mom still left in the public school complain that her 3rd grader was given that assignment recently!


20 posted on 02/25/2005 8:46:12 PM PST by seastay
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To: WindOracle
Harding is 90 percent Latino, 6 percent white

Sure liberals, let them take over whole school districts while they're at it.

After all, it is "their" land that we stole from them, right?

< /sarcasm >

I know they're not all children of illegals, but many of them are. The American taxpayers are footing the bill for another country to infiltrate our schools.

Nice!

21 posted on 02/25/2005 8:48:30 PM PST by Bullish
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To: WindOracle

[You can read racism into this, but I read more of an issue of social class.]

Or you could be correct, and read it as an issue of government failure in public schools.


22 posted on 02/25/2005 8:53:44 PM PST by spinestein
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To: seastay
Congratulations. I recently pulled my son from public school and enrolled him in private school too. Would be nice if we had vouchers so other people who cannot afford it could have the choice in education we have for our kids. Unfortunately the poorer kids are captive to the liberal brainwashing centers.

Your descriptions of your experiences are all too familiar to us.
23 posted on 02/25/2005 8:54:22 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Well black is an ethnicity. Don't you know that Africa is one big homogeneous society?
24 posted on 02/25/2005 8:54:36 PM PST by BBell
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To: Bullish

"After all, it is "their" land that we stole from them, right? "

some of us and our families decided to build things like dams , power plants, roads, libraries hospitals, sewers, parks , malls and schools ect.. Others decided not to do these things . If those others who now claim this is land issue, why dont they squat in desert where the is oodels of land and they are free to build their own infrastructure? Somehow I don't think this is really a land issue.


25 posted on 02/25/2005 9:00:16 PM PST by seastay
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To: WindOracle

"Would be nice if we had vouchers "

yes I am for that, but that would make too much sense.


26 posted on 02/25/2005 9:01:52 PM PST by seastay
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To: Regulator
We never voted to have this happen to us at all.

In fact, prop 187 which passed by a whopping 60 some percent would have addressed some of the problem. Gray Davis shopped the prop off to the 9th circuit and it was struck down as un-Constitutional.

So much for the people of California having a say in their own destiny.

Thanks again, liberals.

27 posted on 02/25/2005 9:08:56 PM PST by Bullish
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To: Regulator

In Los angeles 40% of the students are English Language Learners Most, but not all of the English Language Learners are illegal immigrants or the children of illegal immigrants.

In 2003-04, about 305,000 LAUSD students were native Spanish speakers, about 94 percent of the district's students learning English as a second language. Their Academic Performance Index, is below average and they repesent 65% of the dropouts in the district and those who stay are are among the lowest scorers on the California High School Exit Exam. Only 53 percent of passed the math portion, and 57 percent passed the language portion. Compare this to the other students in the district, 85 percent passed the math portion and 88 percent the language portion.

The growth in the number of these students in the last dacade has doubled accounting for the district's entire population growth, according to the Department of Education.




28 posted on 02/25/2005 9:10:06 PM PST by seastay
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To: Kidan
Typical liberal.
90 deg. left of center in good times.
90 deg. right of center when it affects them personally
29 posted on 02/25/2005 9:10:51 PM PST by Roccus (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: BBell
This whole racial ethnicity thing is a load of garbage. Whites, Blacks, Orientals... whatever, cannot be categorized in such basic groups with any intellectual honesty.

I guess to some extent that is chickens coming home to roost, since it was pseudoscience embraced by Europeans that led to this wrongheaded thinking. They created racial theories to justify their imperialism over "inferior" races. Now that idea has grown into a mindset that will probably be impossible to eliminate.

The stupidity in this is exemplified by the fact that an Egyptian (classified black by many) very likely has much more in common, genetically, with with an Italian (classified white) than with a Zulu (also classified black). A Morrocan African almost certainly has more in common genetically with a Hispanic from Spain, than native of Zimbabwe.

Racial classification is the ROOT of racism.

While our diverse backgrounds are a good deal of what has propelled this nation to it's status in the world, it is only because we assimilate, taking on good aspects of the cultures, while discarding that which is lesser. Those who refuse to assimilate, who wish to transform this into a copy of their own cultures, stand in the way of America continuing that rise to greatness.

"Diversity" and "Division" have the same word at the root... DIVIDE. People are not brought together by celebrating their "diversity", the ways they are different... they are brought together by emphasizing the things they have in common

30 posted on 02/25/2005 9:12:12 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: Bullish

"prop 187 which passed by a whopping 60 some percent would have addressed some of the problem. Gray Davis shopped the prop off to the 9th circuit and it was struck down as un-Constitutional."

Had the federal government carried out its responsibility to stop illegal immigration and addressed the issues of legal immigration, California taxpayers would not be facing the massive expense of providing thousands of new classrooms.


31 posted on 02/25/2005 9:12:50 PM PST by seastay
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To: WindOracle

"People are not brought together by celebrating their "diversity", the ways they are different... they are brought together by emphasizing the things they have in common"

yes!


32 posted on 02/25/2005 9:15:08 PM PST by seastay
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To: seastay

The harm done to us is so egregious that the federal govt. doesn't even want to talk about it.


33 posted on 02/25/2005 9:16:16 PM PST by Bullish
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To: WindOracle
I've got the same problem, to a lesser degree. I live in posh Montgomery County, Maryland, which is one of the collar counties of Washington DC. The liberal government here decided, some years ago, to inflict upon the residents a social experiment: they mandated that any development with more than 65 housing units had to have "moderate income" housing. For "moderate-income" read "welfare recipients." This means that our subdivision, which has both middle-income and doctor-lawyer neighborhoods, also has many residents who are crackheads or are too drunk to send their children to the neighborhood school in the morning.

More and more white families are trying to send their kids to private schools instead of the fine new community school, but there really aren't many private schools around here--it's a bloody long commute to a private school in the morning, even if you can afford it. If you can't come up with an extra $50,000 per year to send two children to private school, like me, your kids will not have many friends in the public school.

My son, now finishing fifth grade in an increasingly dark neighborhood school, adores the school and his teachers but hasn't made many friends. The friends he's made have been black, not Hispanic. The black kids are Americans and share our values and interests. The Hispanic kids try to beat him up because his hair is blonde and his eyes are blue. Some of the kids are very nice, but again, as in the article, we just don't have much in common. My kid rides horses and does historic reenacting for a hobby and lives in a house full of antiques; his parents are an editor and a scientist. What's he going to have in common with these unfortunate children, some of whom live in shocking filth? They resent him, and I don't blame them. When we try to reach out to them they steal from us.

34 posted on 02/25/2005 9:22:18 PM PST by Capriole (the Luddite hypocritically clicking away on her computer)
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To: WindOracle

I once had the word 'diversity' defined for me in a business situation by a young black woman.
"It means," she said, "getting rid of all those fifty year old white guys."

Says it all.


35 posted on 02/25/2005 9:24:39 PM PST by Roccus (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: Bullish

Remember when Clinton was in office, we had to fight for kosovo cause an ethic population was being displaced by another, and the human rights violations were too much for a country to stand by and do nothing? In the meantime families living in Santa An California for example were packing up and leaving for fear of their safety due to an illegal invasion to their community.

Or how about more people were killed in Los Angeles by gangs, fueled by the Mexican mafia than was killed in Beirut a few years back during a UN declared state of war... go figure?


36 posted on 02/25/2005 9:26:00 PM PST by seastay
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To: WindOracle; dormee; TaxRelief; Tax-chick; southernnorthcarolina; JohnnyZ

The flight is predictable. Public shools worked, for a while, when we had a common culture with shared values. The breakdown of our cultural values combined with a monopolistic government education structure drove the situation rapidly past the tipping point.

We currently have an interesting situation here in the greater Charlotte, NC area (Mecklenburg County) where Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools (CMS) is one of largest school systems in the country with over 100,000 students and chock full of every sympton of failed education. There is a CMS secession movement brewing in the suburban parts of our county. The story is likely to get bigger and begin to draw national coverage. Stay tuned!


37 posted on 02/25/2005 9:30:26 PM PST by Huber (Conservatism - It's not just for breakfast anymore!)
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To: Capriole
Reading articles like this make me thankful I live in rural s/w Missouri. The population is low enough here that I know, personally, just about anyone who has lived in the county for over about 5 years. Thus my son is not nearly so dependent upon being in this school in order to have numerous buddies who are. It is also a small enough community that I know the Sheriff, deputies, Prosecutor, judges, Public School administrators, and my own kids school staff, on a first name basis. Things have been changing here for the worse for several years, especially in the schools as well as local crime rate, as Tyson's brings more and more Mexicans into the county to do jobs that Americans are not willing to do.. at 1975 wage rates.
38 posted on 02/25/2005 9:30:48 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: Capriole

Sorry, what I meant to say instead of "Reading articles like these" and meant to say "Reading posts such as yours".


39 posted on 02/25/2005 9:32:28 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: Kidan
Its funny how she stands up for what she believes until all of a sudden it's affecting her.

just what I was thinking ...I've seen this syndrome for decades...people spouting off about what parents should do with their kids - until they have kids of their own , and then the light comes on

40 posted on 02/25/2005 9:33:23 PM PST by maine-iac7 (."...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: seastay
There's no figuring to be done. They've done the math.

We're being sold down the river by our own govt.

41 posted on 02/25/2005 9:38:08 PM PST by Bullish
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To: WindOracle

This is one of the things I don't miss about Caleeforneea. Here in WV we have been getting quite a few Indian immigrants, but they all speak English, are educated, and actually contribute to the community. You folks out there have my deepest sympathies.


42 posted on 02/25/2005 9:45:11 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: WindOracle

You are blessed. I'm right now working hard and making plans to move back to America. I no longer want to be a citizen of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Maryland.


43 posted on 02/25/2005 9:53:22 PM PST by Capriole (the Luddite hypocritically clicking away on her computer)
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To: All
Some interesting stats I came upon a bit ago, from Violence and Discipline Problems in U.S. Public Schools- national Center for Education Statistics.

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Fifty-seven percent of public elementary and secondary school principals reported that one or more incidents of crime/violence that were reported to the police or other law enforcement officials had occurred in their school during the 1996-97 school year.

Ten percent of all public schools experienced one or more serious violent crimes (defined as murder, rape or other type of sexual battery, suicide, physical attack or fight with a weapon, or robbery) that were reported to police or other law enforcement officials during the 1996-97 school year.

Physical attacks or fights without a weapon led the list of reported crimes in public schools with about 190,000 such incidents reported for 1996-97 (Figure 1). About 116,000 incidents of theft or larceny were reported along with 98,000 incidents of vandalism. These less serious or nonviolent crimes were more common than serious violent crimes, with schools reporting about 4,000 incidents of rape or other type of sexual battery, 7,000 robberies, and 11,000 incidents of physical attacks or fights in which weapons were used.

While 43 percent of public schools reported no incidents of crime in 1996-97, 37 percent reported from one to five crimes and about 20 percent reported six crimes or more

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44 posted on 02/25/2005 9:55:34 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: WindOracle

Stats a bit dated... but interesting nevertheless. I have seen little to give me reason to believe things have improved much in that area.


45 posted on 02/25/2005 9:57:29 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: seastay
305,000 LAUSD students were native Spanish speakers

Up from about 10 in 1970.

46 posted on 02/25/2005 10:02:31 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Roccus
"getting rid of all those fifty year old white guys."

Speaking as one of them, I can only smile at the thought of a company full of twenty-something non-whites trying to compete on the basis of their affirmative action status.

Won't be long before they have to sell the office furniture.

47 posted on 02/25/2005 10:08:11 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator

So was I at that time. I also just smiled. That company was NYNEX. They did so well that they got bought out by Bell Atlantic. Now they are Verizon. Again, says it all.


48 posted on 02/25/2005 10:22:10 PM PST by Roccus (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: Bullish

[I know they're not all children of illegals, but many of them are]

Actually, out here they really are.


49 posted on 02/26/2005 12:22:04 AM PST by turnrightnow (keeper's mom)
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To: WindOracle

btw "Orientals" is a banned term these days. It's "Asian."


50 posted on 02/26/2005 12:25:39 AM PST by turnrightnow (keeper's mom)
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