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Times Online ^ | 25 February 2005 | Ben MacIntyre

Posted on 02/26/2005 7:12:43 AM PST by Lando Lincoln

THE WRONG sort of snow finally pushed Yuri Luzhkov, the Mayor of Moscow, over the edge. Enraged with Russia’s hopeless weather forecasters, he has vowed to fine them for any more inaccurate, misleading or unreliable predictions. As reported in yesterday’s Times, he admonished them in the following, memorable terms: “You are giving us bullshit.”

On the other side of the world, Harry G. Frankfurt, the moral philosopher and professor emeritus at Princeton University, would have smiled sagely at that remark. After decades of exploration in the thorniest thickets of philosophy, he has just published a slim treatise entitled On Bullshit (Princeton University Press), an earnest intellectual inquiry into this most pungent and slippery of philosophical concepts. His short theory of bullshit is a testament for our times.

We all think we can identify bullshit. We know when we are talking bullshit ourselves, and we have all been guilty of it at times, in the pub or the pulpit, though some of us produce more than others. Politics thrives on bullshit, while lawyers, advertisers, public relations consultants and talk show hosts produce the stuff in its purest form. Very occasionally, columnists have been known to lapse into it. Every language in the world has a word for it. But what is bullshit? The concept is universally recognised, yet as Professor Frankfurt writes, “the most basic and preliminary questions about bullshit remain, after all, not only unanswered but unasked.”

He begins, like all good philosophers, by defining what bullshit is not. Bullshit is dishonest, yet it is not necessarily mendacious. The bullshit artist may not tell you the truth (though he may do so inadvertently), but he is not deliberately lying. This is because bullshit cares nothing for truth or falsehood, accuracy or error, and that is its force and danger.

Both the liar and the honest man must have regard for truth, the former to subvert it and the latter to propagate it. Bullshit, by contrast, is fundamentally unconcerned with truth or falsehood, but only with appearance, effect and persuasion, however transitory. Yuri Luzhkov was not accusing the Moscow weather forecasters of lying, or yet of trying to predict the weather and honestly failing; he was accusing them of not caring about the true weather. The essence of bullshit is getting away with it, with persuading listeners or readers of a sincerity that is, by definition, phoney. The bullshit artist simply does not care about truth: “He pays no attention to it at all,” writes Professor Frankfurt. “By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of truth than lies are.”

Yet we tolerate bullshit, even though we feign to disregard it. Lies make us morally enraged; mistakes, even honest ones, are unacceptable. The politician or businessman who lies to us, or fouls up, must go; but he can bullshit us with almost perfect impunity. We shrug, we may even grin ruefully, but in our craven hearts we know we are being fed a bluff, on-the-hoof hokum, and we do not care.

Perhaps our ancestors were just as susceptible to bullshit, purveying it and accepting it, as we are. Indeed, as the late Ronald Bell, the Tory MP, once observed, “the connection between humbug and politics is too long established to be challenged.” Yet bullshit has surely expanded as fast, if not faster, than the growth of communications generally. The internet is a natural septic tank for it. More than ever, public figures are required to opine on everything, even (and perhaps especially) when they have no idea what they are talking about. During the year when I was parliamentary sketchwriter, I cannot remember a single occasion on which an MP conceded ignorance on any subject whatsoever. Professor Frankfurt is clinical and devastating: “The production of bullshit is stimulated whenever a person’s obligations or opportunities to speak about some topic exceed his knowledge of the facts that are relevant to that topic.”

In a sense, the quest to define bullshit is the oldest one in the philosopher’s book. Socrates himself explored the tension between rhetoric or sophistry, arguments intended to persuade regardless of whether they were true, and the deeper quest for understanding through philosophy. In this respect, it is worth noting that the term “bull”, with a similar meaning, is probably far older, etymologically, than the modern bullshit: the original word seems to have come from the Latin bullire, to boil, bubble or froth. At its source, then, the term has nothing to do with barnyard excrement, but rather the appropriate evocation of pure hot air.

Bullshit makes quite good intellectual fertiliser. Indeed, the American term “bull session” means an occasion to bat around outrageous ideas without concern for accuracy. But cumulatively, and unchecked, bullshit undermines what Professor Frankfurt calls “the possibility of knowing how things really are”. Improvised, instantly disposable pseudo-knowledge becomes more important than reality. In a culture where bullshit is endemic, political debate, intellectual argument and appeals for our money and our votes, are all judged on whether they are persuasive, rather than accurate, honest or realistic. Appearance becomes more important than objective fact; we hark to the purveyor of cogent humbug, and sceptically wonder whether anything is true.

If there is one aspect of Professor Frankfurt’s thesis that does not go far enough, it is in exploring the distinctively public nature of the subject. Bullshit is not a private matter, but a display, deployed to convey a specific, positive impression to others, regardless of accuracy. It is, in essence, spin.

When Tony Blair says he is a “pretty straight kind of guy”, he is implicitly asking his listeners to set aside notions of objective truth and believe in his sincerity. This has become the currency of our political culture. In a world of bullshit, truth seems unknowable, so we are asked to trust the persuasive authenticity of our leaders, who offer to be true, not to the facts, but to themselves. Yet human nature, moral philosophers agree, is impossible to know. In Professor Frankfurt’s concluding words: “Our natures are elusively insubstantial . . . and insofar as this is the case, sincerity itself is bullshit.”

With the election we face a fresh torrent of sincerity; but at least the Moscow mayor and the Princeton philosopher have teamed up to prove that it is possible to cut the crap, and seize the bull by the horns.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 296; barbarastreisand; bs; bullshit; ccrm; profanity
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Well, I think FReepers might enjoy this one.

Lando

1 posted on 02/26/2005 7:12:44 AM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: Lando Lincoln

I did. :-)


2 posted on 02/26/2005 7:16:37 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Lando Lincoln

What a bunch of BS.


3 posted on 02/26/2005 7:18:21 AM PST by joshhiggins (Just Joshin. Really! I was just Joshin! Pleease! someone tell them I was Just Joshin!)
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To: Lando Lincoln
A keeper for sure.

In the immortal words of P.J. O'Rourke, the three branches of the American system: "Money, television and bullshit."

4 posted on 02/26/2005 7:19:56 AM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Good one!

Just don't feed us any more BullS@@t.......


5 posted on 02/26/2005 7:22:00 AM PST by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

BTTT


6 posted on 02/26/2005 7:24:08 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Accuse me of bullsh*tt*ng, but somehow, me thinks our literary forefathers are rolling over in their graves.


7 posted on 02/26/2005 7:24:22 AM PST by demkicker (John McCain is a power hungry traitor and proved it on 2/19/05 in Iraq)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Bump for further digestion.


8 posted on 02/26/2005 7:25:51 AM PST by JusPasenThru (http://giinthesky.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Well, this at least explains Bill Clinton and the Green movement.


9 posted on 02/26/2005 7:25:58 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Lando Lincoln

LOL, and I was SURE you'd changed the title. Good one, and very (dare I say it?) true.


10 posted on 02/26/2005 7:27:52 AM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Brings to mind, the old chestnut, "What's the difference between a fairy tale and a sea story?" One begins, "Once upon a time", the other, "And this is no bull$h*t!"


11 posted on 02/26/2005 7:28:03 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Bullshit is dishonest, yet it is not necessarily mendacious.

As opposed to horseshit.

12 posted on 02/26/2005 7:29:38 AM PST by Gumption
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To: Lando Lincoln

Bump!


13 posted on 02/26/2005 7:31:02 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for not reading the whole article since 1999)
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To: Lazmataz
You've been busted!

Lando

14 posted on 02/26/2005 7:34:03 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (How many liberals does it take to win a war?)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Well, I think FReepers might enjoy this one.

Immensely. I never thought that I would see the word "bullshit" used so repeatedly in one post without giving some of our more sensitive moderators apoplexy.

I can imagine a sudden epidemic of blue faces behind the curtain, but with some measure of restraint, one would hope.

I have never given it much thought, but clearly I have grasped the true essence of bullshit all my life simply by instinct.
And it bears only the most tenuous connections to truth and lies. It explains, clearly why we all claim to know it when we hear it, even though we can't define it, exactly.

This little essay has, in addition reminded me of the richness of our language, and the subtleties of changes of meaning between seemingly related words.

Good way to start off a Saturday.

15 posted on 02/26/2005 7:38:38 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

That's a variation on the fairy-tale/war story distinction (or vice versa): a fairy-tale begins "Once upon a time" and a war story begins, "No shit, I was THERE . . .". ;)

My favorite is:
I can't remember the name of this-- Someone's Law, I think:
"There are only two substances in the universe: magic and bullshit."

The corollary:
"There ain't no magic."

:D


16 posted on 02/26/2005 7:39:48 AM PST by walden
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To: Publius6961
I wondered about the repetition, as well. But, this IS from the Times of London! ;>)

Lando

17 posted on 02/26/2005 7:41:32 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (How many liberals does it take to win a war?)
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To: Lando Lincoln
In a culture where bullshit is endemic, political debate, intellectual argument and appeals for our money and our votes, are all judged on whether they are persuasive, rather than accurate, honest or realistic.

The personification of this is Bill Clinton. Damn! the man brought tears to my eyes, with his bullshit.
I remember clearly one speech at Georgetown which was so persuasive, so sincere, so perfect an example of bullshit that when he was done I wanted to rush out and do, or undo, whatever it was that he was pushing that day, until, after a few seconds, the veil of persuasion slipped entirely and I snapped out of it.

Every time that happened, I found myself muttering to myself, "... and people wonder how Nazi Germany came about".

18 posted on 02/26/2005 7:49:07 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Lando Lincoln

Professor Frankfurt's work ought to be an inspiration to us all!

Seek truth, not bullshit! LOL!


19 posted on 02/26/2005 7:53:52 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Lando Lincoln
"sincerity itself is bullshit.”

How did Orwell miss that one?

  • War is peace
  • Freedom is slavery
  • Sincerity is bullshit

20 posted on 02/26/2005 7:54:11 AM PST by Nick Danger (Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres)
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To: Publius6961
The personification of this is Bill Clinton

I agree....and I remember numerous times when he had me being pulled in - and I detested the guy!

Lando

21 posted on 02/26/2005 7:58:22 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (How many liberals does it take to win a war?)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Recursive bullshit; i.e., BS(BS).

The most dangerous liar is one who makes factual statements designed to mislead. That way, they can internally regard and externally defend what they said as "the truth."

It's the worst kind of lie, of which Clinton and Arnold are masters.

22 posted on 02/26/2005 8:35:54 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Great article. Brought a big grin to my face.
One of the first things that came to my mind was Mel Brooks in "History of the World", where he goes to the unemployment office in ancient Rome and they ask him what he does for a living. He says, "Commedian", and the lady filling out the form, says, "Oh, a bullshit artist. So tell me, did you attempt to bullshit this week?"

Don't know why that came to mind. Probably says something about how my warped mind works, but, oh well. I have fun.

23 posted on 02/26/2005 8:36:46 AM PST by Pablo64 ("Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.")
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To: Lando Lincoln
Clinton was indeed the master of bullshit. Kerry was not as good but he gave it his best shot. Some are just more talented at bullshit then others.

I think the blogshere functions as a fairly good bullshit detector. Especially with its instant feedback feature.

24 posted on 02/26/2005 8:45:07 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Lando Lincoln

good read


25 posted on 02/26/2005 8:58:35 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; Fedora; OSHA; ...

fun (and true) article


26 posted on 02/26/2005 9:03:00 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

Full of bull.......well done!


27 posted on 02/26/2005 9:30:15 AM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Jen; Squantos; MeekOneGOP; TEXASPROUD; IncPen; Calpernia; ThinkDifferent; Poohbah; Balata; ...
I think some of you may enjoy this article.

Lando

28 posted on 02/26/2005 9:45:53 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (How many liberals does it take to win a war?)
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To: Lando Lincoln
I think some of you may enjoy this article.

I did, and through the miracle of E-mail, many others will too.

Thanks

FMCDH(BITS)

29 posted on 02/26/2005 10:17:44 AM PST by nothingnew (There are two kinds of people; Decent and indecent.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Thanks for the ping!


30 posted on 02/26/2005 10:53:43 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Lando Lincoln

Thanks for the new tag!!!

I had to edit the heck out of it, but I think my restatement gets the gestalt.


31 posted on 02/26/2005 11:00:18 AM PST by freedumb2003 (BS is stimulated whenever a person’s desire to speak on a topic exceed his knowledge of the facts)
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To: King Prout; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; Old Sarge; SandyInSeattle; Darksheare; tiamat; ...
Read it before the Mods find it!
---
This-Is-Not-A-Ping-List ping!

[Freepmail me to get on or off this Not-A-Ping-List.]

32 posted on 02/26/2005 11:04:20 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Pablo64

>>>Mel Brooks in "History of the World",

Don't forget the scene where Mel Brooks and Gregory Hines disguise themselves as senators to escape from the Imperial guards.

BROOKS: "They're coming! Quick, act like a senator!"

[Both pull their cloaks over their faces.]

BROOKS: "Bullshit, bullshit, AND bullshit!"

HINES: "Bullshit, bullshit."


33 posted on 02/26/2005 11:09:50 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Lando Lincoln; always paddle your own canoe

I counted 29 Bullshits used in the article. LOL


34 posted on 02/26/2005 11:40:19 AM PST by CARDINALRULES (Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Great column.

My favorite TV show is called Bullsh!t, too. It's done by Penn and Teller; it's hilarious, informative and libertarian-leaning. They can lay it on really good on EPA and PETA.


35 posted on 02/26/2005 11:57:08 AM PST by Nataku X (Food for Thought: http://web2.airmail.net/scsr/)
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To: Lando Lincoln

read later


36 posted on 02/26/2005 11:59:13 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Lando Lincoln

BUMP!


37 posted on 02/26/2005 12:00:12 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: CARDINALRULES

The world has gone all to Hell
irretrievably.

Even the London Times peddles foul language.

I skipped the rest of the article
after reaching the first B.S.


38 posted on 02/26/2005 12:00:52 PM PST by Allan
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To: Lando Lincoln
You're right, it was amusing & worth the time to read.

I think there's someone who beat this guys rant by what, 29 years?
Yup, and that'd be Peter Finch's character in "Network".

The one & only.

...Howard Beal. ;^)

39 posted on 02/26/2005 12:03:10 PM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: walden; Lando Lincoln
"There ain't no magic."

One mans magic is another mans engineering.

Lazarus Long

Thanks for the ping Lando

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

40 posted on 02/26/2005 12:15:49 PM PST by alfa6
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To: freedumb2003; Alamo-Girl; Conspiracy Guy; international american

A very interesting article, but I doubt that it will be of any benefit to me, as I always fastidiously and punctiliously tell the absolute, unvarnished truth.


41 posted on 02/26/2005 12:20:02 PM PST by NicknamedBob (The difference between Men and Women is this: -- Men do things -- Women get things done.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

BTTT


42 posted on 02/26/2005 12:24:53 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: NicknamedBob

"A very interesting article, but I doubt that it will be of any benefit to me, as I always fastidiously and punctiliously tell the absolute, unvarnished truth."



B U L L $ H I T



43 posted on 02/26/2005 12:24:57 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Landru

" I got tired of the bull$hit"


44 posted on 02/26/2005 12:28:04 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Landru

"I would like at this moment to announce that I will be retiring from this program in two weeks time because of poor ratings. Since this show is the only thing I had going for me in my life, I've decided to kill myself. I'm going to blow my brains out right on this program a week from today. So tune in next Tuesday. That should give the public relations people a week to promote the show. You ought to get a hell of a rating out of that. Fifty share, easy."

"Yesterday I announced on this program that I was going to commit public suicide. Admittedly an act of madness. Well, I'll tell you what happened: I just ran out of bullshit."

"All human beings are becoming humanoids. All over the world, not just in America. We're just getting there faster since we're the most advanced country."

"We'll tell you anything you want to hear, we lie like hell."

"You're beginning to believe the illusions we're spinning here, you're beginning to believe that the tube is reality and your own lives are unreal! You do! Why, whatever the tube tells you: you dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube, you even think like the tube! This is mass madness, you maniacs! In God's name, you people are the real thing, WE are the illusion!"

"Television is not the truth! Television is a goddamned amusement park!"

"Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube! This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation; this tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers; this tube is the most awesome goddamn propaganda force in the whole godless world, and woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people, and that's why woe is us that Edward George Ruddy died. Because this company is now in the hands of CCA, the Communications Corporation of America; there's a new chairman of the board, a man called Frank Hackett, sitting in Mr. Ruddy's office on the twentieth floor. And when the 12th largest company in the world controls the most awesome goddamn propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network!?"

"I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad... Everybody's out of work, or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter, punks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it."

"All I know is, you've got to get mad! You've got to say, 'I'm a human being, goddamn it! My life has value!'"

"I want you to go to the window, open it, stick your head out and yell: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!'"


45 posted on 02/26/2005 12:30:43 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Lando Lincoln

LOL! I'm gonna have to get this one for Sir SuziQ! He'll get a kick out of it.


46 posted on 02/26/2005 12:34:58 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: international american

Would you believe ... parsimoniously?


47 posted on 02/26/2005 12:35:05 PM PST by NicknamedBob (The difference between Men and Women is this: -- Men do things -- Women get things done.)
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To: NicknamedBob

I was being a "knee-jerk reactionary".....: )


48 posted on 02/26/2005 12:51:55 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: international american

You do realize I was expecting to get that reaction?


49 posted on 02/26/2005 1:05:47 PM PST by NicknamedBob (The difference between Men and Women is this: -- Men do things -- Women get things done.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Of course, nobody could have set the table better!


50 posted on 02/26/2005 1:11:30 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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