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Black Confederate soldiers overlooked during Black History Month
Knoxville News Sentinel ^ | 2/27/5 | EDWARD A. BARDILL

Posted on 02/26/2005 9:53:22 PM PST by SmithL

The month of February has begun and so has the celebration of Black History Month in the nation, schools and communities. Throughout this time, many noteworthy leaders, citizens, scientists and soldiers who fought in wars and conflicts will be recognized.

However, there is one group of African Americans who will receive no recognition again this year during this month. I am speaking of black Confederates who served and fought to defend their homeland from what they believed to be an armed invasion.

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The South was home to some 4 million who lived there and had roots going back more than 200 years. Deep devotion, love of homeland and strong Christian faith joined black with white Confederate soldiers in defense of their homes and families.

A conservative estimate is that between 50,000 to 60,000 served in the Confederate units. Both slave and free black soldiers served as cooks, musicians and even combatants. The first northern officer killed in battle was Maj. Theodore Winthrop, who was shot by a black sniper of the Wythe Rifles of Hampton, Va.

The most amazing fact concerning black Confederates is that they served within the Confederate units alongside their white brothers in arms while their Union counterparts were kept separate in all-black units led by white officers (as portrayed in the movie "Glory").

In fact, it was not until 1950 that the U.S. military integrated its units at the start of the Korean War.

On Jan. 22, H.K. Edgerton, a former head of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in North Carolina, was the keynote speaker for the annual Sons of Confederate Veterans dinner in Knoxville. Although his scheduled appearance to speak on southern heritage and black Confederates was published a week ahead in the local paper, not one representative of any established mainstream news media was present to record his comments.

Edgerton was the second African American to speak on black Confederates and other historical facts in the last five years whose comments were only heard by the attendees and went unpublished. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a professor at Southern University, stated: "When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."

For those who have been taught or misled to think the people in the northern cities were more tolerant and supportive of their black population, look up the Draft Riots of 1863.

Maj. Arthur Fremantle of the British Army was an observer for Queen Victoria and spent three months with the Army of Northern Virginia and Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Freemantle kept a diary and had arrived in New York City just in time to personally observe and witness the worst riots in our history.

He included in his diary seeing gangs of white men chasing, beating and even hanging blacks. Some black men and women were even pulled from their homes and beaten. Police and militias were called out, and more than 1,200 people lost their lives during the three days of riots.

The rioters resented free blacks being excluded from the draft since they were not considered citizens. The motion picture "Gangs of New York" shows some of this violence.

In closing, I have written this article in the hope that it will ignite people to research, read, study and discover the true historical facts. For me to remain silent as an American citizen, Southerner, retired soldier and living historian and ignore the service and sacrifices of these forgotten soldiers is unacceptable.

I quote the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., who said: "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."


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True, but not politically correct.
1 posted on 02/26/2005 9:53:22 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

If you think thats bad try talking about black slavemasters and the blacks who were elected to Congress just after the Civil War.


2 posted on 02/26/2005 9:56:13 PM PST by GeronL (Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
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To: SmithL

BTTT


3 posted on 02/26/2005 9:58:29 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: SmithL

That documentary they had on last week said that the slaves only fought for the confederates because they were forced to by their slave masters. And that as soon as Lincoln announced the Emancipation Proclamation they all deserted and many went north to join the union army.

I wish I could go to a big library and search the archives to read the news from that time to see which is the truth of the past.


4 posted on 02/26/2005 10:01:30 PM PST by GloriaJane ("How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight" http://music.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: SmithL; stainlessbanner

BTTT


5 posted on 02/26/2005 10:02:52 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: GloriaJane

I should also add that it told of how New York sided with the southern democrats.


6 posted on 02/26/2005 10:05:22 PM PST by GloriaJane ("How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight" http://music.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: SmithL

Does anybody know if the original article, lists any of the sources/documentation for the subject at hand.


7 posted on 02/26/2005 10:05:33 PM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: SmithL
I was at the Atlanta Cyclorama once, asked the guide about black Confederate troops.

to say the least, I did not get much of an answer.

8 posted on 02/26/2005 10:06:32 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: SmithL
BHM is a total fraud. An excuse for guilt-ridden white liberals in the media industry to do some ill-conceived 'penance'.

Not that I care that much, but my girls like to watch Nickelodeon and they have been going NUTS with this crap. Every program is followed by some garbage BHM faux history piece.

They wouldn't dare do a story on a Black Confederate soldier- let alone any Confederate soldier in a sympathetic light.

9 posted on 02/26/2005 10:14:09 PM PST by ShiningPath
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To: ReformedBeckite

I read a lot of similar information in the Wyles special collection at UCSB when I was a student at Westmont College from 74-77. This is factual information. A lot of Blacks did desert after the EP was issued by Lincoln. But some still stayed loyal to the South out of cultural issues. For instance, Stonewall Jackson's, aide was a Black that was loyal to both him & the South until he died & the war was over. The fact of the matter is that the liberal press won't touch this on. I've only read one report of Black serving with Confederates in the past 3 yrs. by the liberal press. According to them it was all lies. But the evidence is there. I've read it & seen it.


10 posted on 02/26/2005 10:20:11 PM PST by Bulgaricus (Allah, Allah in Free)
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To: SmithL
The Civil War conflict that divided this nation was not about slavery. The addition of the slavery issue was primarily a political one and only the PC modern historians claim that slavery was.

Slavery in the North was just as prevalent as in the South, before and after the Civil War. The North simply called their slaves "Indentured Servants".... Kinda the same way Howard Dean says all the Democrats need to do is define their immoral platform by using language more suitable for their PC Base

11 posted on 02/26/2005 10:21:43 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: SmithL

bump


12 posted on 02/26/2005 10:24:42 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: SmithL
However, there is one group of African Americans who will receive no recognition again this year during this month. I am speaking of black Confederates who served and fought to defend their homeland from what they believed to be an armed invasion.

Talk about a monumentally bad decision - and not knowing where one's interests lie...!!

However, those blacks fighting for slavery (and regardless of what the apologists for the south proclaim, it WAS about slavery... are not dissimilar to those Muslims fighting for Saddam - in spite of the fact he has killed more Muslims than any other living person.

Its not unusual for the stupid and misguided to choose the wrong side in history. And its not unusual for them to be forgotten by history

13 posted on 02/26/2005 10:28:33 PM PST by konaice
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To: GloriaJane
Just think Dan Rather.

Many slaves had a good relationship with their owners, and even took the family surname as their own on being freed.

It is politically expedient to not remind people that the wars in which large groups of people fought against others were fought over economic repression. From the Tea Tax and Stamp Act of the Revolutionary era to the tarrifs which effectively forced the South to trade with the North, economics are at the root of many conflicts.

Dig deeper, the truth awaits. The answers will make perfect sense if you understand why the colonies broke away from England.

While you dig, keep in mind that Uncle Tom's Cabin was a novel written by an ardent abolitionist.

Also, keep in mind that although many trimmings have changed, human nature is much the same. Hyperbole sold especially well in Northern markets, just as the wild-eyed stories of the "wild West" sold Harper's Magazine, and hype and gore sells Hollywood today. In reality, disease and suicide took far more soldier's lives in western forts than combat.

Truth becomes dispensible when there is a profit to be made, and the armies of victimhood swell their ranks with new recruits who are programmed with distortions and hyperbole, to the great benefit of their 'advocates'. The same tactics are used by just about any group which wishes to sieze power or wealth nefariously, from the Nazis to Islamists, to 'hate groups' of any ilk, regardless of race, creed, or nation of origin.

Good hunting!

14 posted on 02/26/2005 10:28:51 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (Invest in semi-precious metal--BLOAT!)
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To: SmithL

They say the victors write the history .Certainly it seems the case here. I just think it's too darn bad the wrong side won way back when....


15 posted on 02/26/2005 10:31:13 PM PST by injin
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To: SmithL

bump


16 posted on 02/26/2005 10:32:42 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: SmithL

It is a matter of historical fact that the first black unit of the Civil War was a Confederate unit, the Louisiana Native Guards.

But they weren't even the first black unit in American history - Andrew Jackson had a unit of free blacks with him in 1815 at the Battle of New Orleans.

The black Yankee units were all johnny-come-latelies (pun intended). The PC crowd hates it when these facts are mentioned, though.


17 posted on 02/26/2005 10:45:49 PM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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To: Bulgaricus

"Ride With The Devil" Very un-PC movie in which a Black irregular serves with confederate Bushwhackers in Missouri.


18 posted on 02/26/2005 10:49:19 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: SmithL

The number of black combatants was infinitessimal as a % of all Confed. soldiers. All laborers in uniform were promised their freedom in return for service, which was a risk they willingly took. It is hardly what the article implies---that blacks couldn't wait to fight for good ol' massa.


20 posted on 02/27/2005 6:36:10 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: SmithL
another fact not taught is that there were many free blacks in the antebellum south and some of those free blacks were slave owners.
Slavery was being legally banned throughout the western hemisphere in the mid 1800's. I often wonder if black white relations would be better now if emancipation came about by legal means as in Cuba, Brazil etc than by war.
21 posted on 02/27/2005 6:40:30 AM PST by avitot
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To: DixieOklahoma; kalee; dljordan; Da Bilge Troll; nolu chan; sionnsar; Free Trapper; dcwusmc; ...

dixiebump!


22 posted on 02/27/2005 4:47:16 PM PST by stainlessbanner (Let's all pray for HenryLee II)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Hyperbole sold especially well

Still does, and it is free!

23 posted on 02/27/2005 4:52:23 PM PST by Cold Heat (FR is still a good place to get the news and slap around an idiot from time to time.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; Ditto; x

Preserve the Union ping!


25 posted on 02/27/2005 5:03:49 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: GloriaJane
Uncle Pompey, a cook with Confederates at the early battle of Seven Pines, in violation of orders, was advancing to the fighting front, when asked by another black:
"Whar's you gwine, Uncle Pomp?  You isn't gwine up dar to have all de har scorched off yer head is you?"  Uncle Pompey still persisted in advancing and shouldering a rifle, soon overtook his regiment.  'De Lor' hab mercy on us all, boys, here dey comes agin! Dar it is,' he exclaimed, as the Yankees fired an overshot, 'just as I taught! can't shoot worth a bad five-cent piece.  Now's de time, boys!' and as the Alabamians returned a withering volley and closed up with the enemy, charging them furiously.  Uncle Pompey forgot all about his church, his ministry, and sanctity, and while firing and dodging, as best he could, was heard to shout out: "Pitch in, White folks—Uncle Pomp's behind yer. Send all de Yankees to de 'ternal flames, whar dere's weeping and gnashing of—sail in Alabama; stick 'em wid de bayonet, and send all de blue ornary cusses to de state of eternal fire and brimstone!  Push 'em hard, boys!—push 'em hard; and when dey's gone, may de Lor' hab marcy on de last one on 'em, and send dem to h-ll farder nor a pigin kin fly in a month!  Stick de d—d sons of—! don't spare none on'em, for de good Lor' never made such as dem, no how you kin fix it: for it am said in de two-eyed chapter of de one-eyed John, somewhat in Collusions, dat—Hurray, boys, dat's you, sure—now you've got 'em goss! Show 'em a taste of ole Alabamy,' etc.
H.C. Blackerby, Blacks in Blue and Gray: Afro-American Service in the Civil War, Tuscaloosa, AL: Portals Press (1979), pp.11-12.
I'd say Uncle Pomp was mighty proud to serve his country.
26 posted on 02/27/2005 6:52:31 PM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler - "Accurately quoting Lincoln is a bannable offense.")
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To: mac_truck
Preserve the Union ping!

Preserve the Union ping list? I thought it was the:

"My leftist professors have brainwashed me into a hopeless politically correct position on the Civil War because we are weak-minded ping list.

The people of the south almost single-handedly gave us George Bush while keeping a traitor like John Kerry the hell out of the White House. Look at the Bush map and see who your friends are!!!

27 posted on 02/27/2005 8:06:59 PM PST by CurlyBill (The difference between Madeline Albright and Helen Thomas is a mere 15 years.)
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To: GloriaJane
"...said that the slaves only fought for the confederates because they were forced to by their slave masters"

.... Free blacks fought for the confederacy because their slave masters made them? Geeze they aren't even trying to hide the bias anymore. Will reconstruction never end?
28 posted on 02/27/2005 8:10:41 PM PST by DixieOklahoma (Since 2004: real American voters = 1, dead democrats = 0)
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To: LS
why did maryland and delaware both allow slavery during the civil war, but were union states? Why didn't lincoln put an end to their slavers?

Don't let the facts trip you up yankee scum.
30 posted on 02/27/2005 8:14:53 PM PST by DixieOklahoma (Since 2004: real American voters = 1, dead democrats = 0)
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To: Heisenberg
here's one for you yankee.

Why did the union states of maryland and delaware allow slavery within their own borders during the civil war if they were fighting to abolish it?

I am so glad that this country is run by southerners and good westerners rather than the liberal, mind numbing northeast liberal yankee scum that seeks to infest the very heart of America with its all of its' ill concieved, self destructive, revisionist filth.
31 posted on 02/27/2005 8:18:09 PM PST by DixieOklahoma (Since 2004: real American voters = 1, dead democrats = 0)
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To: mac_truck
Preserve the Union ping!

Don't you mean desecrate everything sacred, hurl vomit all over the south, apply theivery and steal everything in site, rape every woman, send every child and soldier to freeze to death in northern death camps, burn anything of use to the ground, and once the outnumbered army, with no shoes, resorts to throwing rocks for lack of shot is brought to their knees. Remain in their land for 10 years of raping and pilliaging of the people who remain and their land only to later call it reconstruction. Ping?
32 posted on 02/27/2005 8:26:21 PM PST by DixieOklahoma (Since 2004: real American voters = 1, dead democrats = 0)
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To: DixieOklahoma

I was talking about what they showed in a documentary I watched called Slavery And The Making Of America.

You can see info about the documentary and it's sources here: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/

By the way, I like your tag line. Dixie is my oldest daughters name.


33 posted on 02/27/2005 8:36:18 PM PST by GloriaJane ("How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight" http://music.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

All I know is I was talking about what they showed in a documentary I watched called Slavery And The Making Of America.

You can see info about the documentary and it's sources here: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/


34 posted on 02/27/2005 8:37:08 PM PST by GloriaJane ("How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight" http://music.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: don-o

My family were at a reenactment at the Atlanta History Center and witnessed the curator argue with and turn away a black Confederate reenactor. The reenactor told them his ancestor had fought for the South and they basically told him he was CRAZY! We had dinner with him at Johnny Rockets later and he had a wealth of info to share with our children and us about a subject we knew nothing about...Black Confederate Soldiers.
Atlanta History Center=PC History ONLY


35 posted on 02/27/2005 8:44:44 PM PST by kalee (Kalee's Tinfoil Bonnets, purveyor of stylish tinfoil millinery since 2000.)
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To: CurlyBill
Look at the Bush map and see who your friends are!!!

I have. Why do you think I want to preserve the Union???

37 posted on 02/27/2005 9:59:34 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: injin
They say the victors write the history .Certainly it seems the case here.

And they also say that the losers write the myths. Looking at some of these posts it's plain that that is equally true.

38 posted on 02/28/2005 4:43:09 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: MJY1288
The North simply called their slaves "Indentured Servants"

So there were more than 4 million indentured servants in the North? I'd love to see the support that you have for that claim.

39 posted on 02/28/2005 4:48:51 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
I didn't "claim" there was "more than 4 million servants in the North"
40 posted on 02/28/2005 5:05:24 AM PST by MJY1288
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To: SmithL; stand watie

yep.


41 posted on 02/28/2005 5:06:47 AM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: DixieOklahoma
Yankee scum? I was born in Arizona, you idiot.

Lincoln said he would not free a single slave anywhere if the stupid Confeds would come back into the Union. The fact that they wouldn't tells you the war was ENTIRELY about slavery---because the southern states knew that slavery was doomed politically in the long run.

Don't let THOSE facts trip you up.

42 posted on 02/28/2005 5:50:57 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: MJY1288
I didn't "claim" there was "more than 4 million servants in the North"

You claimed that it was just as prevalent in the North as slavery was in the South. So where is your support? What states? How many indentured servants in 1860? How long were their indentures?

43 posted on 02/28/2005 6:03:31 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

My point was that Slavery was not the reason for the Civil War. Slavery existed in all of the original 13 Colonies, and the South was no more guilty than the North. I know the South held more slaves than the North, but does that really make a difference?


44 posted on 02/28/2005 6:40:50 AM PST by MJY1288
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To: Non-Sequitur

http://www.credenda.org/issues/9-1historia.php

Here's a link to some more black Confederates, hope it doesn't ruin your day!


45 posted on 02/28/2005 6:45:18 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: GloriaJane
You can see info about the documentary and it's sources here: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/

About as truthful as Bill Clinton stating, 'I did not have sex with that women', or Tawana Brawley's accusation. I prefer to read accounts from the ex-slaves themselves, collected by the federal government in The Slave Narratives, and other personal accounts of the period.

46 posted on 02/28/2005 6:50:22 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler - "Accurately quoting Lincoln is a bannable offense.")
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To: MJY1288
I know the South held more slaves than the North, but does that really make a difference?

The south had more free blacks.

47 posted on 02/28/2005 6:55:31 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler - "Accurately quoting Lincoln is a bannable offense.")
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To: Malleus Dei
You are right about the New Orleans Native Guard having served in the Battle of New Orleans. Most of them were wealthy mixed race Creoles and had a long track record of war service.

There were in fact many black soldiers in the Revolutionary War. Rhode Island for example had many black soldiers serving in their units. It is estimated that 15% of all of the American soldiers in Washington's Army were black by 1781.

As for the Native Guards, they were turned down for Confederate Service in 1862 and switched allegiance to the Union cause. There were blacks that attempted to join the CSA but were turned down.

To their credit Lee and Cleburne wished to use black troops. Moderates had suffiencenlty taken enough control of the Richmond government to allow Lee to raise two black regiments but they were in no major battles (April 1865 was too late for their service).

I assume that there were an unknown number of blacks, light skinned etc. who "passed" as white and served the CSA. Many blacks also served in uniform as orderlies. And it is not a myth to say that from time to time a slave picked up a rifle to defend their home. Official black service was denied however repeatedly by the Richmond Government.

There were many in the South that wished to arm slaves but they were shouted down by the "fire-eaters". The big difference between the Rev War or even 1812 and the Civil War were events such as Nat Turner and John Brown. People feared arming blacks....north and south.

That being said, I always defend the right of Southerners to defend their ancestors' service. It would have been great if the South had been able to free blacks to fight for the CSA. But the people who started the CSA had no intention of doing so. The moderates like Lee and Cleburne were more honorable and more representative of the best of the South. Sad to say they didn't get their way.

Just my little voice again saying to respect both our southern and northern heroes.

YH
48 posted on 02/28/2005 6:59:36 AM PST by yankhater (I Hate Liberal Dirty T-Shirt Backpacker Grad Students)
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To: yankhater

I'm replying to myself just to clarify that if you read my previous post it might sound as if I think New Orleans was in the Rev War. I forgot to add a sentence saying...Before 1812 as early as the Rev War there were even blacks serving....etc.


49 posted on 02/28/2005 7:02:46 AM PST by yankhater (I Hate Liberal Dirty T-Shirt Backpacker Grad Students)
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To: Heisenberg
"Because if they didn't then Maryland,Delaware and Kentucky would;ve seceded and the Union would have begun in Philadelphia not Washington."

Not intending to join in a names contest, but does that not pretty much blow out the 'free the slaves' thing?
That and emancipating only those slaves behind the other guy's lines?

(Magnolia Ark. and Corpus Christi TX)

50 posted on 02/28/2005 7:11:14 AM PST by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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