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Afghans Accuse U.S. of Secret Spraying to Kill Poppies
New York Times ^ | 2/27/05 | CARLOTTA GALL

Posted on 02/27/2005 3:47:11 PM PST by wagglebee

KANAI, Afghanistan - Abdullah, a black-turbaned shepherd, said he was watching over his sheep one night in early February when he heard a plane pass low overhead three times. By morning his eyes were so swollen he could not open them and the sheep around him were dying in convulsions.

Although farmers had noticed a white powder on their crops, they cut grass and clover for their animals and picked spinach to eat anyway. Within hours the animals were severely ill, people here said, and the villagers complained of fevers, skin rashes and bloody diarrhea. The children were particularly affected. A week later, the crops - wheat, vegetables and poppies - were dying, and a dozen dead animals, including newborn lambs, lay tossed in a heap.

The incident on Feb. 3 has left the herders of sheep and goats in this remote mountain area in Helmand Province deeply angered and suspicious. They are convinced that someone is surreptitiously spraying their lands or dusting them with chemicals, presumably in a clandestine effort to eradicate Afghanistan's bumper poppy crop, the world's leading source of opium.

The incident in Kanai was not the first time that Afghan villagers - or Afghan government officials - had complained of what they suspected was nighttime spraying. In November, villagers in Nimla, in Nangarhar Province, said their fields, too, had been laced with chemicals when a plane passed overhead several times during the night.

Afterward, Afghan and foreign officials who investigated returned with samples of tiny gray granules that they said provided evidence that spraying had occurred. Two Western embassies sent samples abroad for analysis but have not yet received the results.

At that time, President Hamid Karzai publicly condemned the spraying. Though it was never clear who was responsible, members of his staff said they suspected the United States or Britain, which together have been leading the struggle to rein in Afghan poppy cultivation, which has reached record levels. Both countries finance outside security firms to train Afghan counternarcotics forces.

President Karzai said his government was not spraying fields and had no knowledge of such activity, and he called in the American and British ambassadors for an explanation. Then, as now, the American and British Embassies denied any involvement.

"There is no credible evidence that aerial spraying has taken place in Helmand," the American Embassy said in a statement this time. "No agency, personnel or contractors associated with the United States government have conducted or been involved in any such activity in Helmand or any other province of Afghanistan."

An Afghan government delegation sent to investigate the latest incident said it found no evidence of aerial spraying. Rather, "a naturally occurring disease" had killed the crops and animals, Lt. Gen. Muhammad Daoud, deputy interior minister for counternarcotics, said in a statement.

Agriculture Ministry officials said the extremely cold weather could have affected the crops. They added, however, that the ministry lacked the technical capacity to analyze samples for chemicals.

But the people in Kanai, neighboring Tanai and at least two other villages are incredulous. For them, there is no doubt that someone sprayed their lands and, despite official denials, they blame the United States, which still controls the skies in Afghanistan.

"They are the ones with the planes," said Abdul Ahmad, brother of the shepherd, Abdullah. Between them, the brothers had lost 200 animals from symptoms that suggested poisoning, he said.

"They went mad, their eyes went blue and they could not eat," he said of their sheep and goats. "Water was coming from their mouths, they were trying to eat their droppings and they were shivering," he said. The animals appeared completely healthy the day before, he said.

"We gave our vote to Karzai so he would bring us help and now he is killing our animals," he said angrily.

While the mystery lingers around who may be responsible for a secret aerial eradication campaign here - or even whether one is actually being carried out - there is no doubt that Afghanistan's booming poppy crop has been an intensifying concern to United States, British and other international officials.

In November, a United Nations report found that more than 300,000 acres in Afghanistan had been planted with poppies and expressed concern that the country was degenerating into a narcostate. American and other officials said they feared the drug trade had insinuated itself into virtually every corner of the Afghan economy and was financing rebels.

Some American officials, particularly those in international narcotics and law enforcement, have for months advocated aerial spraying to gain control of the problem.

Diplomats and other foreign officials involved in agriculture programs and counternarcotics efforts here said there was a discussion in 2004 between American officials and other donors over whether to use aerial eradication to stem poppy cultivation, which expanded 64 percent last year.

In December, the Bush administration presented to Congress a budget request for $152 million for aerial spraying as part of a $776 million aid package for counternarcotics operations in Afghanistan for 2005. In January, it dropped the budget line for aerial spraying because of President Karzai's clear opposition, an American official in Kabul said.

Word of the budget request prompted 31 nonprofit groups, led by CARE International, to sign an open letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Jan. 31 expressing concern over what they considered the excessive emphasis on eradication in the United States administration's counternarcotics strategy in Afghanistan.

"Widespread eradication in 2005 could undermine the economy and devastate already poor families without giving rural development projects sufficient time to provide alternative sources of income," the agencies warned. They called for concentration on interdiction of traffickers and support for farmers instead.

Yet American officials have not ruled out the possible need for aerial eradication and financing, which was included in a supplemental request in February for $82 billion by the Bush administration for Iraq and Afghanistan, an American counternarcotics official in Kabul said.

One option considered by American officials last year was to rent civilian planes and spray the general weed killer Roundup over the provinces of Helmand and Badakhshan, two of the largest producers of poppies in the country, according to one official familiar with the plan.

American military officials in Afghanistan and those with the United States Agency for International Development are also against aerial spraying, foreign officials in Kabul say. Development officials argue that spraying will affect all agriculture and especially the poorest farmers; instead, they advocate alternative livelihood programs for farmers to dissuade them from growing poppies.

The military fears that spraying will turn the population against the government and the American presence in Afghanistan and increase support for insurgents, who remain active in southern Afghanistan.

In fact, the belief that they have been sprayed has angered villagers all the more because the local police came here only 40 days before and destroyed their poppy fields on government orders, a fact that the district police chief, Abdul Hakim Karezwal, confirmed.

The farmers said they had instead planted wheat, which was now yellow and rotting along with the clover, spinach and greens they had also planted. Some farmers kept growing small patches of poppies inside high garden walls, but most of the fields in the village showed shoots of young wheat.

"Karzai lied to us," one farmer, Ahmadullah, said. "He said, 'We will give you assistance,' and he didn't. So we grew poppy to be able to feed our families. Then the president ordered it destroyed and so we destroyed it. And now he is destroying our wheat. What will be left of our lives? They destroyed everything. We will have to abandon the village."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; opium; poppies; southasia; wodlist
Destroying the poppies will take away a huge source of money for the terrorists.
1 posted on 02/27/2005 3:47:13 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

What kind of weed killer leaves a white powder residue? All they need to do is spray Round-up. Relatively harmless and very effective.


2 posted on 02/27/2005 3:50:12 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: wagglebee
Word of the budget request prompted 31 nonprofit groups, led by CARE International, ... They called for concentration on interdiction of traffickers and support for farmers instead.

Like the US policy of subsidizing tobacco farmers and then punishing the companies that turn the product into a consumer good ?
3 posted on 02/27/2005 3:51:04 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: festus

Leave it to the New York Times to find atrocities committed by the United States.


4 posted on 02/27/2005 3:55:01 PM PST by gaspar (nwD)
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To: wagglebee

Easy to find out who did it. Find the planes. Takes a special plane to crop dust.


5 posted on 02/27/2005 3:55:02 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: BigBobber

Remember, the NYTimes will fall for anything.


6 posted on 02/27/2005 3:55:36 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: wagglebee
***"They went mad, their eyes went blue and they could not eat," ... "Water was coming from their mouths, they were trying to eat their droppings and they were shivering," he said.***


This sounds like symptoms I saw in several democrat friends immediately following W's reelection.

I wonder if they've been spraying here also???
7 posted on 02/27/2005 3:56:24 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: gaspar

And to report on such accusations with no evidence.


8 posted on 02/27/2005 3:56:49 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: BigBobber
"What kind of weed killer leaves a white powder residue? All they need to do is spray Round-up."

Bingo. This article smells fishy.

9 posted on 02/27/2005 3:57:43 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: wagglebee

black turbaned, ain't the preferred colors for taliban?


10 posted on 02/27/2005 3:58:12 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: wagglebee
Although farmers had noticed a white powder on their crops, they cut grass and clover for their animals and picked spinach to eat anyway.

Good thinking, Abdullah. Did you think the white power was edible or sniffable? Apparently the "white powder" turned into "gray granules" by the time anyone collected it. I wonder what form and color it will be next.

11 posted on 02/27/2005 4:00:19 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: gaspar
At first glance I thought it said "puppies," and figured the Times was going with the big guns.
12 posted on 02/27/2005 4:00:53 PM PST by JennysCool (I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the barn and do nothing. -Johnny Carson)
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To: wagglebee

It's good to know that CARE and 31 other nonprofit groups stand foresquare behind the right of the Afghans to grow opium poppies and sell heroin to the world.


13 posted on 02/27/2005 4:01:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

They want to make sure that American junkies don't fall victim to inflation.


14 posted on 02/27/2005 4:02:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
1. Let's see, how stupid are we? There is a mysterious white powder on the forage but we cut and feed it to our animals anyway without washing it off, and then we're surprised when they get sick.

2. Anyway, the article specifically mentions Roundup, and while Roundup can cause some diarrhea, it's not fundamentally harmful to mammals. And it doesn't leave a white residue.

3. Why isn't the USAID or somebody teaching these people to plant something else, some crop that doesn't mean addiction and death to millions?

15 posted on 02/27/2005 4:03:11 PM PST by Capriole (the Luddite hypocritically clicking away on her computer)
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To: BigBobber
What kind of weed killer leaves a white powder residue? All they need to do is spray Round-up. Relatively harmless and very effective.

Agree.

Along with that, this story seems like simple BS to me being touted by questionable sources for one reason or another (do not trust the United States being the primary)

However, if we were spraying with such harsh chems that was a boneheaded mistake and one which we should stop ASAP. But I still figure this is a BS story to begin with -

16 posted on 02/27/2005 4:04:58 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: wagglebee

US accused of killing poor farmers' opium poppies...what's wrong with this headline?


17 posted on 02/27/2005 4:16:40 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: sure_fine
"black turbaned, ain't the preferred colors for taliban?"

Yep

18 posted on 02/27/2005 4:18:14 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Logical me
Easy to find out who did it. Find the planes. Takes a special plane to crop dust.

The U.S. State Department runs a fleet of armored Ayers cropdusters, modified for long-distance ferrying by using the spray tank for fuel. They can go anywhere worldwide with little or no support.

It would be a Very Bad Thing is one of these fell into the wrong hands. Funnily enough, one is missing.

19 posted on 02/27/2005 4:19:51 PM PST by eno_
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To: wagglebee
How dare they? How inhumane!!!

Oh, poppies, that's ok. I thought it was puppies.

20 posted on 02/27/2005 4:21:37 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Putting the UN first makes you a UNamerican....)
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To: cake_crumb

The Times writer is appropriately named: car lotta gall.


21 posted on 02/27/2005 4:22:10 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: FreePaul

Reminds me of an "Afghan wedding"...


22 posted on 02/27/2005 4:22:54 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Cicero

Regarding CARE. It is no longer the US charitable organization that traced its founding to post-WWII. It is now a world-wide conglomerate, run from Atlanta (with all the Carter connotation you want to make of it). While other NGOs stayed clear of the vicous genocidal government in the Sudan, CARE has played footsie with the Islamists for more that a decade. Steer clear of anything that has the care label on it.


23 posted on 02/27/2005 4:23:32 PM PST by gaspar (nwD)
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To: wagglebee

Has anyone considered the possibility that the area IS being sprayed... by an enemy of the US?


24 posted on 02/27/2005 4:24:22 PM PST by TwoWolves (The only kind of control the liberals don't want is self control.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
"The Times writer is appropriately named: car lotta gall."

FOFLOL, that is perfect! I hadn't noticed the author's name before.

25 posted on 02/27/2005 4:25:02 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: BigBobber

All they need to do is spray Grazon. It is absolutely harmless to herbavors and mammels, doesn't harm pasture grasses, but kills everything else. Plus, it is cheaper than roundup.


26 posted on 02/27/2005 4:36:40 PM PST by wrench
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To: wagglebee

Sounds like Clinton Presidue to me.


27 posted on 02/27/2005 4:38:14 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
hahahahahahahaha!!!!! I know what you mean!

FMCDH(BITS)

28 posted on 02/27/2005 4:49:49 PM PST by nothingnew (There are two kinds of people; Decent and indecent.)
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To: BigBobber
"What kind of weed killer leaves a white powder residue? All they need to do is spray Round-up. Relatively harmless and very effective."

That was my first question. Generally only fungicides and some insecticides are powder application.

Broadleaf and woody plants need to be thoroughly absorbed and are more effective as a systemic herbicide.

RoundUp works well on grassy weeds but not nearly as effective on broadleaf which is what the poppy's would be. It's been used in Columbia to whack coke plants but the planes have to fly low making them susceptible to ground fire.

There is a fungus (Fusarium oxysporum) that poppy's seem to be sensitive to.
The program's supporters say the fungus kills only coca, used to make cocaine, and opium poppy, used to make heroin, without hurting food crops. But its detractors warn that using even an apparently benign biological agent can damage the environment and possibly hurt the farm families who grow coca?
This story sounds funny.
29 posted on 02/27/2005 4:50:37 PM PST by Smartaleck (Av "Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: wagglebee

Rival cartel?


30 posted on 02/27/2005 4:56:14 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: wagglebee
What, they are killing all the pretty poppies? That is the major cash crop in most of those areas. I am just filled with pity. A person would almost believe that some people had the odd notion that the poppies were dangerous. I am sure this will cost the next Republican candidate the junkie and terrorist vote.
31 posted on 02/27/2005 4:58:27 PM PST by dog breath
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To: BigBobber

Maybe it was Al Qaeda doing test runs -- remember Afghanistan was their territory.

It wouldn't surprise me.


32 posted on 02/27/2005 5:09:50 PM PST by FairOpinion (It is better to light a candle, than curse the darkness.)
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To: wagglebee
By morning his eyes were so swollen he could not open them and the sheep around him were dying in convulsions. ... Within hours the animals were severely ill ... A week later, the crops - wheat, vegetables and poppies - were dying, and a dozen dead animals, including newborn lambs, (to really tug at our heart strings?) lay tossed in a heap.

Sorry New York Times ... this time line doesn't work ... this story is bullsh*t ... you didn't confirm it and to report it is irresponsible. Why anyone would subscribe to your liberal rag is beyond me.

33 posted on 02/27/2005 5:12:12 PM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: wagglebee

Poppies covered in white powder? This has Glenda the Good Witch all over it. I mean, we've got photographic evidence she's done this crap before. Will no one stop that smug bubblewoman?


34 posted on 02/27/2005 5:12:52 PM PST by Tangerine Time Machine (Orange you glad it's not a lemon?)
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To: wagglebee

Why not blame China for incoming UFOs? Guess which country is on the border?


35 posted on 02/27/2005 5:36:13 PM PST by Wiz
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To: wagglebee

36 posted on 02/27/2005 5:44:01 PM PST by LuigiBasco (It's LONG past time to restart The Crusades. (What are we waiting for!)
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To: wagglebee
Get those pouppies!

No spots!


37 posted on 02/27/2005 5:57:49 PM PST by bd476 ("You can't get there from here." from "Which Way to Millinocket?" Bert & I)
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To: wagglebee

Good!


38 posted on 02/27/2005 6:08:18 PM PST by Whispering Smith
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To: wagglebee
The military fears that spraying will turn the population against the government and the American presence in Afghanistan and increase support for insurgents, who remain active in southern Afghanistan.

Listen to the military on this one.

39 posted on 02/27/2005 6:20:03 PM PST by secretagent
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To: wagglebee
Shark Trager accuses Afghans of making asses of themselves.
40 posted on 02/27/2005 6:32:38 PM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: wagglebee

The bad Ole USA again!


41 posted on 02/27/2005 7:35:10 PM PST by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods.)
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To: wagglebee

When in doubt, blame America.


42 posted on 02/27/2005 7:36:35 PM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: wagglebee
"Abdullah, a black-turbaned shepherd"

Oh yeah I can visualize this nutcase now ROFLMAO
43 posted on 02/27/2005 7:37:08 PM PST by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods.)
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To: eno_; Logical me; DevSix; Brad Cloven
Narco dusters in Columbia use T-65s and OV-10s. Some of the coordinating agencies are the State Department's Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs (INL); the American Embassy's Narcotics Affairs Section (NAS) and private contractor DynCorp.
44 posted on 02/27/2005 10:07:26 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix
and private contractor DynCorp

Have to admit this name above came to mind as to who would actually do the spraying (however the harsh chems that were suggestedly used still don't add up for me).

45 posted on 02/28/2005 2:44:26 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: dog breath
A person would almost believe that some people had the odd notion that the poppies were dangerous.

Dangerous? So is booze; shall we bomb distilleries next?

46 posted on 02/28/2005 7:37:23 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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