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Full-blown war by Hmong gangs alarms police (Sacramento, CA)
sacbee ^ | 2-28-05

Posted on 02/28/2005 10:37:06 AM PST by LouAvul

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A raging street war between two Hmong gangs has left three dead since Thanksgiving and spread hundreds of rounds of ammunition throughout Sacramento. In response, gang detectives have more than doubled their presence on the streets, to as many as 30 some nights. With nightly warrant sweeps and probation searches, they're trying to get inside information on some of the most notoriously closed-mouth criminals in the area.

And Asian gangs are not the only concern.

In the past 12 months, other gang attacks have claimed the lives of a Sheldon High School student, a 21-year-old North Sacramento man and at least 18 others.

With approximately 5,000 gang members countywide, police, sheriff's and probation officials are trying to stay ahead of what they say will be a greater crime wave come spring.

Sacramento Police Sgt. John Trefethan is among those who don't look forward to blue skies. When the days get warm, Sacramento's gang members spill into the streets or pile into cars to cruise with their friends.

"The chances of coming into contact with each other are far greater," he said.

Conflict over drug turf, especially the lucrative methamphetamine trade, can trigger violence among any of the area's gangs.

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One in every five killings in Sacramento city and county last year - 20 of 102 slayings - was gang-related, up from nine gang homicides in 2000.

So far this year, five of the 15 slayings in the city and county have been gang-related.

Officials estimate there are about 20 Asian gangs in the area, each with membership ranging from 10 to 100 members.

"Gang activity is happening all the time (and) it's going to get really busy," said Sacramento County probation supervisor Marty Matsuda, whose officers oversee 550 of the highest profile gang members in Sacramento.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: aliens; gangs; hmong; immigration; wod; wodlist; wosd
Dunno the answer to this quagmire. Doubt all Asians are gangsters, but gangsters need to be dealt with as harshly as possible. Problem is, on the left coast, when LEOs target gangsters, the ACLU and immigrant rights organizations start whining. Then politicians looking to maintain their plush, do-nothing careers jump in. Sad state of affairs.
1 posted on 02/28/2005 10:37:07 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul; NormsRevenge; farmfriend

Whats up with this?


2 posted on 02/28/2005 10:39:41 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: LouAvul
Hundreds of rounds out ammunition and only 3 dead - man these people need to get to a range and start working on their accuracy.

I don't mind it when the gang bangers kill each other but hundreds of rounds - lots of opportunity to hit a bystander.
3 posted on 02/28/2005 10:42:01 AM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: LouAvul

Careful not to violate their civil rights and no discriminating; race, sexual orientation or otherwise!!!

>Sarcasm<


4 posted on 02/28/2005 10:44:05 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: LouAvul

Bring in a hired, or two gun, if you can't get some locals to handle the problem.


5 posted on 02/28/2005 10:46:41 AM PST by G.Mason ("If you are broken It is because you are brittle" ... K.Hepburn, The Lion In Winter)
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To: LouAvul

With approximately 5,000 gang members countywide,

And about 700,000 nationwide. People should start really being concerned that they are outnumbering the police in many areas.

95% of our largest cities and 88% of smaller cities suffer gang-related crime.

Picture of our future:

75 Blood gangs in Los Angeles County with about half of those in the City of Los Angeles.
http://www.streetgangs.com/bloods

200 Crip gangs in 21 cities and places in LA County.
http://www.streetgangs.com/crips

over 500 Hispanic gangs from the Valley, to East LA down to South Central.
http://www.streetgangs.com/hispanic

Asian gangs are the fastest growing street gangs in LA County with about 20,000 members.
http://www.streetgangs.com/asian

18th Street Gang
http://www.streetgangs.com/18thstreet.html


6 posted on 02/28/2005 10:46:55 AM PST by deepFR
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To: LouAvul

Here ... let me fix that. ;)

Bring in a hired gun, or two, if you can't get some locals to handle the problem.


7 posted on 02/28/2005 10:48:43 AM PST by G.Mason ("If you are broken It is because you are brittle" ... K.Hepburn, The Lion In Winter)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Officer shot here in Mpls/St Paul last week by Hmong gangs. Shooter was said to be involved in the killing of 3 at a suburban pool hall about a month ago. Also allegedly shot a Wisconsin woman store clerk in her back three times.

In a separate incident a St. Paul Hmong officer under investigation for giving his gun to a cousin for drive by shootings. Asian gangs are very dangerous.

8 posted on 02/28/2005 10:49:34 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: LouAvul

A number of Hmong refugees were settled in Wisconsin. We have had a few problems with them, but not to this degree. I think it's because most were settled in small towns or rural areas. The Hmong culture was one of farming and work with your hands. The USA was a big change and many of the young have alienation problems.

I think the gang thing is bigger in Minneapolis and out in CA. The big cities are hard on the Hmong as it puts extra stress on their changing ways and culture.


9 posted on 02/28/2005 10:51:02 AM PST by RicocheT
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To: RicocheT

Just doing the killing that Americans won't do.


10 posted on 02/28/2005 10:54:15 AM PST by sheana
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To: LouAvul

Sounds like a Hmong-ous problem.


11 posted on 02/28/2005 10:57:12 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: LouAvul

I've read articles where they're deporting criminal immigrants. They should've started with gang members.


12 posted on 02/28/2005 10:58:57 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: RicocheT
The big cities are hard on the Hmong as it puts extra stress on their changing ways and culture.

Shouldn't be. The Hmong immigrants are given separated classrooms and teachers for learning, Section 8, welfare, food stamps, SSI; all of their literature in Hmong, legal aid for discrimination and Hmong outreach programs.

The neo immigrants have much more than our old immigrants ever did.

13 posted on 02/28/2005 11:01:17 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: deepFR

Remember the movie "Escape from L.A."?
Everytime I read an article about LA anymore, the movie immediately comes to mind.


14 posted on 02/28/2005 11:03:05 AM PST by sheana
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To: LouAvul; All


"Sad state of Affairs"

Here's more on No. Californias SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS and "migrants".


GREEN CARDS AND GANGS

Siskiyou County, California, Feb. 26, 2005

They come from Mexico for jobs by way of a document called a “green card”. Such immigrants are termed “legal permanent Residents” with many of the same rights as US citizens outlined here,

o To live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any actions that would make you removable (deportable) under the immigration law (section 237, Immigration and Nationality Act).
o To be employed in the United States at any legal work of your qualification and choosing.
o To be protected by all of the laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions.
o To vote in local elections where United States Citizenship is not required. Click here for more details on voting.
Exceptions
o Some jobs will be limited to United States Citizens because of security concerns.
http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm


Today Siskiyou county Sheriff Rick Riggins and Captain Mike Murphy presented a slide show and details of Marijuana growing operations on federal forest land as a warning to residents of the dangers of happening across one of these farms. These operations are spearheaded by various Latino gangs, one being the powerful, well armed MS-13 gang that began in El Salvador. Sheriff Riggins stated that his biggest problem in combating this scourge is his office being labeled, "racist".

On Sept. 11, 2004, one such farm was busted by the Sheriff with help from BLM and the forest service netting thousands of plants and several Mexicans who either held green cards or were awol from the Mexican military and in this country illegally. These raids are no simple task as the terrain is nearly insurmountable and usually remote, however one growing operation was within 2 miles of the city limits of Etna, California. Resources are limited in such small counties, with little help from federal officials, even though this organized criminal enterprise has been going on in these mountains for many years. Homeland Security says such operations are not their concern.

The gangs are back this year getting ready for next falls harvest to be distributed across the US. Their supplies and equipment will be brought in from the cities and deliveries to replenish them are undertaken at night every few weeks. The farms are guarded at all times.

Slides of the “camps” complete with a “hooch” for living were shown. Huge pits are dug, one big enough for an SUV, for garbage and waste. The trees are cut or skinned to pile “moats” around the farms to camouflage them. Black irrigation pipe is buried for miles to get water to the plants. The environment on our national lands is being degraded by these operations, destroying habitat and watershed purity.

We saw the AK-47’s, axes, shovels, a . 22 rifle with the name “ Los Pleves” scratched on the stock. We saw notebooks of the growers with markings of MS-13 and a drawing of a Lexus that one “immigrant” intended to buy with the drug profits.

Most of the farms appear to be run by the same organizations mostly through the Mexican Mafia year after year. Though a few are busted, a substantive dent has not been made and they know they can operate here more safely and profitably than in Mexico and there is no worry of getting the product back into the states.

Across the border in Oregon, the story is the same. The Sheriffs of Jackson, Josephine and Klamath County work together to find the farms and arrest the perpetrators. All have been Mexican so far, most with green cards. These same gangs also brew Methanphetimine to finance their organized crime activities during off season.

We do not need yet another “guest worker” program to supply dangerous gangs with recruits. We need to find out why these people were ever allowed in this country in the first place and how to keep more of them out.

Siskiyou County, California TheTownCrier@gmail.com


15 posted on 02/28/2005 11:03:35 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: LouAvul

I thought the Hmong were a gentle and peace loving folk who just didn't understand our barbaric hunting laws. How can there be such things as property lines and game limits? Certainly, if we would just adjust our culture to their ways all would be well again.


16 posted on 02/28/2005 11:06:09 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: LouAvul

"A raging street war between two Hmong gangs has left three dead since Thanksgiving and spread hundreds of rounds of ammunition throughout Sacramento."



But but but I thought that gun control was supposed to prevent thugs and gang bangers from getting guns.....


17 posted on 02/28/2005 11:07:15 AM PST by frankiep
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To: sheana

I think the MSM has done a major disservice to the people by not reporting on this more. It seems like if it is something destructive to our culture, they do not think it is worth reporting.


18 posted on 02/28/2005 11:13:23 AM PST by deepFR
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To: AD from SpringBay

I knew it had to be our fault somehow.


19 posted on 02/28/2005 11:15:07 AM PST by deepFR
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To: AD from SpringBay

"I thought the Hmong were a gentle and peace loving folk "

Most are. Let's see: We have black gangs, Hispanic gangs, Vietnamese Gangs, Hmong gangs, skinhead gangs.

A certain percentage of youths end up in gangs. The Hmong are no exception.

OTOH, there's a Hmong family down the street about three doors. Their teenaged kids are very nice, helping the elderly residents on our block with snow removal, etc. The parents are also friendly, and welcomed my wife and I to the neighborhood with a tray of absolutely delicious spring rolls. All speak excellent English. The only exception is the grandmother, or great-grandmother (it's hard to tell). She speaks only Hmong, but always says hello in Hmong whenever I see her.

Sorry, but I refuse to blame an entire emigrant community for the actions of some of its members. I'm funny that way.


20 posted on 02/28/2005 11:18:30 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: AD from SpringBay
"I thought the Hmong were a gentle and peace loving folk who just didn't understand our barbaric hunting laws."

Kind of like the "Expletive removed" Hmong that killed those 6 deer hunters just because they asked him to leave their deer stand. Amazing how the MSM fails to notify the public about "Rabid Minority" types, had they been white gangs it would have been plastered all over every news source around. PC and the people who practice it, are worthless.

21 posted on 02/28/2005 11:37:42 AM PST by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: JustAnAmerican

The only way to beat a gang is with a much tougher and bigger gang.

The cops and the community need to crack down HARD.


22 posted on 02/28/2005 11:41:24 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
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To: taxcontrol

I was at the range on Saturday, and I would say I outshot nearly everyone there... These little gangbangers and tagger crews can barely hit a target at 21 feet.


23 posted on 02/28/2005 11:43:38 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: LouAvul

"Dunno the answer to this quagmire."

Answer: Shotguns


24 posted on 02/28/2005 11:45:26 AM PST by SampleMan ("Yes I am drunk, very drunk. But you madam are ugly, and tomorrow morning I shall be sober." WSC)
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To: LouAvul

The mayor should get all the gangs together tell them he has cordoned off a huge area for them to fight in out of the way of the public, load the place up with weapons and tell them to have at it, may the best gang win.


25 posted on 02/28/2005 11:45:40 AM PST by John Lenin (Liberalism is a Mental Disease Need any more proof ?)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

...and the perp was from California.

See, our governor is sooooooo rotten that we have to even
import our gang members for lack of enough of our own.


26 posted on 02/28/2005 11:55:45 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (no government program is ever a failure-it's just 'underfunded'...)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG



LOL


27 posted on 02/28/2005 11:56:37 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: LouAvul

Put all gang bangers on their own island in the South Pacific. Let em sort it out there with spears and rocks.


28 posted on 02/28/2005 12:09:28 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: LouAvul

These perps are not recent arrivals. It's actually quite a sad story. When the Communists took over Laos, they severely persecuted the Hmong. Those who escaped (mostly during the mid to late 70s) came here with poor educations. Some have since risen to success but some got into the gang banga culture due to living in the low rent district. Most of these gang members were born here in the US.


29 posted on 02/28/2005 12:14:51 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

We need to use our NG for some "cleaning" of this problem.


30 posted on 02/28/2005 12:26:57 PM PST by John Will
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To: LouAvul
Conflict over drug turf, especially the lucrative methamphetamine trade, can trigger violence among any of the area's gangs.

If only meth were illegal, this wouldn't be the case. Right? Pinging WOD list.

31 posted on 02/28/2005 1:04:12 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
The best way to put a stop to all that would be to legalize and regulate the marijuana industry. Otherwise we'll see a whole lot more of it being grown here as we tighten border security. If it was legal and regulated at least we'd have some control over who is growing it and how they are going about it. If not we'll see all sorts of people getting involved, foreigners and locals, organized criminals and individuals, and so on, and there will be no taxes collected and no control over the growing process with respect to environmental concerns, potency, safety, etc..
32 posted on 02/28/2005 1:39:23 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

I don't disagree with your theory. But it's obvious green cards are being handed to criminals. With that card they can do most anything, like buy real estate, etc.


33 posted on 02/28/2005 1:43:45 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
"I don't disagree with your theory. But it's obvious green cards are being handed to criminals. With that card they can do most anything, like buy real estate, etc."

I don't know about all that. They are supposed to check these people out before they give them green cards and I unless some records of past problems come up I don't know how they'll know who is going to turn out to be a criminal and who is going to turn out to be an asset to their communities.

I'll tell you what really bugs me and that is how aliens, both legal and illegal, can get convicted of felonies and then just be allowed to walk out of the jail back onto our streets. I'm a public defender and I see that happen all of the time. It just blows me away. Even legal aliens are supposed to be deported if they commit felonies or certain kinds of misdemeanors, but often they don't even deport the illegal aliens for committing serious felonies. I've been appointed to represent illegals on all sorts of charges and in almost every case where they get a suspended sentence or probation or even some jail time they just let them go. I don't know how often they are being deported after serving a prison sentence but in almost every case where things are handled locally these guys get right back out on the streets.

The thing is that INS knows we've got these people here. They'll be sitting in the jail and all those no accounts at INS would have to do is come pick them up or pay the sheriff's office to transport them, but they won't do it. Often they'll put a hold on them but then still won't come get them when it's time so the people end up getting released. And some of these guys are really bad news. In the last few months I've had one convicted of molesting a little kid and another convicted of hindering apprehension in a murder case. Other attorneys in my office have had several others convicted of other serious crimes being released like this and I have no doubt this sort of thing goes on in other parts of the country. The least INS could do is work with local authorities and deport the illegals who are known criminals.

That's my rant.
34 posted on 02/28/2005 2:21:29 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: JustAnotherSavage
But it's obvious green cards are being handed to criminals.

Who's fault is that? The liberals? When will our conservative leaders take charge?

35 posted on 02/28/2005 2:26:00 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: LouAvul

Crap. Whenever the Hmong gangs start fighting in California it inevitably spills over to Minneapolis/St. Paul.


36 posted on 02/28/2005 2:28:03 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: MineralMan
Sorry, but I refuse to blame an entire emigrant community for the actions of some of its members. I'm funny that way.

What, you mean holding individuals responsible for their own actions?

37 posted on 02/28/2005 2:32:28 PM PST by Kretek
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To: PjhCPA; Iowa Granny; ohioWfan; Petruchio; SJackson; Rytwyng; Dr Snide; ozaukeemom; JLO; brbethke; ..
Ping to article. (Thanks, BG!) This may be of interest to some. Also, a Chai Vang article coming up as soon as I figure out if it's been posted yet or not.

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please let Ladysmith or Iowa Granny know. **

Wisconsin Hunter Shooting Threads and Links

38 posted on 02/28/2005 2:43:42 PM PST by Ladysmith (Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: TKDietz

"I'm a public defender"

You have my admiration, and sympathy.


39 posted on 02/28/2005 2:53:03 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Doe Eyes

"Who's fault is that? The liberals? When will our conservative leaders take charge?"

Now that's the real question isn't it? Who's fault is it?
I've worked really hard to decide. I think it's mostly "administrative". The bureaucracies themselves and the inherint choas in them. We may have "conservative" (?) leaders, but the bureaucracies that carry out the actions, or non actions seem to be in charge of themselves mostly and they are mostly liberal. I don't think the big boys really want to bother to find out what goes on in the "ranks". They're too busy campaigning, it's their vocation. Elections (politicians) and government have little connection any longer.

And above all that, who's fault is it? OURS.


40 posted on 02/28/2005 2:59:02 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: GOP_1900AD
"These perps are not recent arrivals. It's actually quite a sad story. When the Communists took over Laos, they severely persecuted the Hmong. Those who escaped (mostly during the mid to late 70s) came here with poor educations. Some have since risen to success but some got into the gang banga culture due to living in the low rent district. Most of these gang members were born here in the US."

We had a couple of Hmong on my soccer team in the early eighties. Neither could read or write. One had some numbers tattooed on him supposedly from when he was a slave in Laos or Cambodia or some place. Neither of them knew their birthdays so the coaches had to do some kind of something to prove they were eligible to play in the under nineteen league. Both were great players though and nice guys. We have a large Asian population (Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians) and most of them are good people. When they all first came here in the seventies they worked all the crappy jobs the Mexicans are working now. A lot of the Asians now own businesses and so on. They seem to be very industrious people. And I have to say I hated it when they were in my math classes in high school because they seemed to always set the curve high. They weren't very good at English, but man could they crunch numbers.
41 posted on 02/28/2005 2:59:16 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave
Eureka has a population of about 28,000 and has had 65 cars stolen since Jan 1st until Feb 15. Most of them are Hondas and Toyotas, the choice of gang bangers...
42 posted on 02/28/2005 3:27:33 PM PST by tubebender
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To: tubebender

They are also the choice of the chop shops, which strip stolen cars for their parts because of the retail value of those parts.


43 posted on 02/28/2005 3:48:06 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: tubebender
Eureka has a population of about 28,000 and has had 65 cars stolen since Jan 1st until Feb 15.

That is some serious stealing!

44 posted on 02/28/2005 4:12:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: JustAnotherSavage; Doe Eyes

IMO it's the fault of liberal do gooders and poor government planning.

It's insanely irresponsible to plunk a huge group of third worlders in a community, hand them everything they need and expect to have no problem with assimilation.


45 posted on 02/28/2005 6:24:44 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: JustAnotherSavage
Marijuana growing operations [...] are spearheaded by various Latino gangs, one being the powerful, well armed MS-13 gang

Shades of Al Capone and other mob rumrunners! Say, how did we definance the criminals selling illegal alcohol? Must've spent tens of billions on the War On Booze till it was won, right?

46 posted on 02/28/2005 7:23:08 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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