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Mark Steyn: The Arabs' Berlin Wall has crumbled
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 03/01/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/28/2005 4:16:05 PM PST by Pokey78

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To: Pokey78
And some even question whether being a delivery system for plastic explosives is really all life has to offer, even on the West Bank.

Progress is being made one heart and one soul at a time, as GWB likes to say.

51 posted on 02/28/2005 4:45:39 PM PST by ride the whirlwind ("Past experience should be a guidepost, not a hitching post.")
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To: Pokey78
Apparently Mark Steyn didn't get the memo from the anti-immigrants of the American al Fatah about what a traitor George W. Bush is, and how he's being blackmailed by Vicente Fox, and how he doesn't care about Americans, ad nauseum.
52 posted on 02/28/2005 4:45:58 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: QQQQQ

Unfortunately people often hear only what they want to hear. The people over at DU are actually against Lebanese democracy because it reflects positively on Bush policy. They'd rather have the Lebanese suffer under Syrian occupation than have to admit that something in the middle east went right.


53 posted on 02/28/2005 4:46:37 PM PST by Nate1984
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To: Pokey78
I don't like to say I told you so. But, actually, I do like to say I told you so. What I don't like to do is the obligatory false self-deprecatory thing to mitigate against the insufferableness of my saying I told you so. But nevertheless I did.

The power of Steyn is that he's brutally honest.

54 posted on 02/28/2005 4:47:05 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: SevenofNine

ping!


55 posted on 02/28/2005 4:47:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: prairiebreeze

Very good. Steyn must drive the left crazy when he writes this brilliantly. LOL


56 posted on 02/28/2005 4:47:19 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: King Prout
Oh the cynics will be back howling the first time one of these governments takes a step back. And they will. But if it sticks even with half of them... WOW! What a thing.

Have you ever noticed that dictator ships come in clumps? That is because they depend on each other. Divide the clump and watch them fall.

I hoped. But I did not really dare believe. But now that the idea of liberty and of a government of, for and by the people is taking root in some very strange soil, I have to wonder if maybe we didn't understand the power of this little idea.

Perhaps, just perhaps, it is for everyone.

57 posted on 02/28/2005 4:47:30 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (No one knows the shape of the future or where it will take us. We know only the way is paved in pain)
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To: Pokey78
Why is all this happening? Answer: January 30.

Now, now, Mark. We wouldn't want to "overhype" this, don't you know?

-PJ

58 posted on 02/28/2005 4:49:20 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Pokey78

I have often wondered, after 9/11, who in the White House first mentioned the WOT would eventually be won my destabilizing the ME, and spreading freedom. Afganistan was an obvious target, but who first realized that the Arab/Muslim dictatorships were vulnerable to a democracy dominoe effect.


59 posted on 02/28/2005 4:49:56 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: CBart95

...you reminded me of NYT's Friedman, who has changed his tune. He sounded like a Pubbie communications director on Meet the Press. Kudos to him, btw, for a modicum of flexibilty, unlike the Dems he trashed.


60 posted on 02/28/2005 4:50:29 PM PST by chiller (DONE: Gore, taxes, terrorism,Kerry, Old Media. TO DO: Judges, Tort, IRS, Soc.Sec.,borders..)
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To: antoninartaud
Anyone who doesn't recognize that Geo. Bush and the US Military are the prime movers behind all of these "reforms" is utterly blind.

Pres. Bush knows who The Prime Mover is. He made Mankind fundamentally good, when given the chance. U.S. Power gives Men this chance.
62 posted on 02/28/2005 4:55:05 PM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I cannot believe how fast the Middle East is falling into place. God's reward for his faithful servant- GWB!


63 posted on 02/28/2005 4:55:33 PM PST by lawgirl (Please support me as I walk 60 miles in 3 days to support breast cancer research! (see my profile!))
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To: ChadGore

You can almost hear the collective Noooooooooooooo!?! coming from the liberal elite. Wasn't it said that these people don't want to govern themselves...and simply aren't capable of such a system?

The beauty of what is unfolding is that its not being brought about by overt threats from G.W. The people are simply waking up and realizing that they deserve better.


64 posted on 02/28/2005 4:55:41 PM PST by PowderJ
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Once freedom gets out of the box, there's no stuffing it back in. All these Mideast and even Euro countries are emboldening each other.

Hell, there might even be a backlash in America for those who have forgotten that the people run the govt., not vice versa.

65 posted on 02/28/2005 4:55:44 PM PST by chiller (DONE: Gore, taxes, terrorism,Kerry, Old Media. TO DO: Judges, Tort, IRS, Soc.Sec.,borders..)
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To: chiller

It's really an incredible time to be alive


66 posted on 02/28/2005 4:58:01 PM PST by Nate1984
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To: Pokey78
The arabs are crossing the proverbial Rubicon. May the river be shallow and the shore near!
67 posted on 02/28/2005 4:58:32 PM PST by bubman
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To: Huck

You're probably right on that. But I've seen discussions here on FR since the election in which some have speculated whether one day Reagan will be compared favorably to W, rather than the other way around.


68 posted on 02/28/2005 5:00:39 PM PST by My2Cents (America is divided along issues of morality, between the haves and the have-nots.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Have you ever noticed that dictator ships come in clumps? That is because they depend on each other. Divide the clump and watch them fall.

That's why we have seen Syria and Iran trying to get kissy-kissy lately. Syria is a Baathist, Arab Socialist country and Iran is a Shia Theocracy. They have nothing else in common other than tyranny.

69 posted on 02/28/2005 5:01:14 PM PST by Tamar1973 (The path to conservative brilliance starts at Free Republic!)
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To: Huck

"Washington-Lincoln-FDR-Reagan-Bush
I believe that's how it'll shake out. I am no big fan of FDR, but I still don't see how you take him off. Hell, he was a huge influence on Reagan. Go figure. If all this stuff in the middle east shakes out like it looks like it might, then Bush will be added to that list. There, I said it."

Could not agree more. A prez for every century:
18th century WASHINGTON
19th century LINCOLN
20th century REAGAN
21st century BUSH YOWAZAH!
...and I DO want to leave out FDR. If Reagan said that FDR influenced him, then I believe him. Leave it to Ronnie to make lemonade out of lemons.


70 posted on 02/28/2005 5:01:37 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: prairiebreeze
There are many great Steyn quotes in this one.

Yeah, I send Steyn's columns to a group of friends on my email address list, and tend to bold those passages that I think are particularly insightful. I nearly bolded this entire column!

71 posted on 02/28/2005 5:02:10 PM PST by My2Cents (America is divided along issues of morality, between the haves and the have-nots.)
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To: antoninartaud
Anyone who doesn't recognize that Geo. Bush and the US Military are the prime movers behind all of these "reforms" is utterly blind.

I thought Steyn's piece was marvelously concise. Your post is also marvelously concise.

72 posted on 02/28/2005 5:03:45 PM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

misunderestimating the strategery ;)


73 posted on 02/28/2005 5:03:54 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: chiller
Hell, there might even be a backlash in America for those who have forgotten that the people run the govt., not vice versa.

Yes, wouldn't that be something to see!!!!

74 posted on 02/28/2005 5:04:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: chiller
Friedman was for going into Iraq but got shot down down down by his liberal media friends. If you read his columns during that time carefully, you'll see that many are quite good until the last couple of paragraphs, where his editors so obviously forced him to say, "Of course none of this reflects well on Bush who is still a stupid arrogant jerk."

I watched him being interviewed by Charlie Rose, who did exactly that to him, going so far as to shout and slam his hand on the table. "You don't mean that Bush is right!"

And so it goes in big media. Meanwhile, Steyn continues to shine unabated and undeterred.
75 posted on 02/28/2005 5:04:37 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Nate1984

Like the end of Cold War was "Gorbachev's doing," the DU'ers will claim that democracy in Lebanon...or Saudi Arabia, or Egypt, and eventually in Syria and Iran...has nothing to do with Bush's policy. However, about 75% of Americans will make the connection.


76 posted on 02/28/2005 5:06:07 PM PST by My2Cents (America is divided along issues of morality, between the haves and the have-nots.)
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To: A Navy Vet
I have often wondered, after 9/11, who in the White House first mentioned the WOT would eventually be won my destabilizing the ME

I'm guessing it wasn't Colin Powell.

77 posted on 02/28/2005 5:08:20 PM PST by My2Cents (America is divided along issues of morality, between the haves and the have-nots.)
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To: Nate1984

Gee! Democracy's even spreading on DU!


78 posted on 02/28/2005 5:09:26 PM PST by My2Cents (America is divided along issues of morality, between the haves and the have-nots.)
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To: Tamar1973
Little dictators support group?

Iran might be leaving the club sooner then expected. The people seem to be speaking from what I have heard recently.

79 posted on 02/28/2005 5:09:58 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (No one knows the shape of the future or where it will take us. We know only the way is paved in pain)
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To: A Navy Vet

It was probably Wolfowitz.

Cheers.


80 posted on 02/28/2005 5:10:37 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Pokey78

The man is GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD. :)


81 posted on 02/28/2005 5:11:00 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Pokey78

then there is this from DU:(Ha Ha)

Blue to the bone (230 posts) Mon Feb-28-05 01:52 PM
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85. Unfortunately, this is yet another development that favors Bush...


........and the Repukes just as the scenes of the purple-fingered citizens of Iraq gave him and his cabal of commercial criminals a big boost.

He'll take credit for what appears to be a sea-change now occurring in the Middle East.




82 posted on 02/28/2005 5:11:31 PM PST by woofie
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Remembered? I have no idea who he is, today. And no reason to want to find out. lol.
83 posted on 02/28/2005 5:13:21 PM PST by JasonC
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
He hit it on the nail!

Forget explain'en to the left...I've tried the lights too dim.

Just emailed this to my nephew...he got on the ship to come home today...he asked/said, "I hope your all thankful for what we did over here." I hope he reads this article and knows there are millions of people who are grateful.

God Bless the US and President George W. Bush.
84 posted on 02/28/2005 5:16:49 PM PST by EBH (And the Wall came tumblin' down...)
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To: Pokey78

As one Burke noticed 200+ yrs ago, the effects of liberty on the people are such that they are free to do as they please; thus one better wait and see what it would please them to do before offering congratulations (end of paraphrased quote). It well may happen that what is seen behind the fallen wall is such that the wall might have to be erected again - but this time higher and stronger.


85 posted on 02/28/2005 5:17:16 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Pokey78
Steyn once again drives it over the left field wall!

It's odd. I don't hear the word "quagmire" very often any more but instead hear certain Liberal (un)worthies surreptitiously climbing onto passing Dubya Middle East Bandwagons!

86 posted on 02/28/2005 5:17:46 PM PST by Gritty ("Wahhabi women have no place in a voting booth; instead,they must dress like a voting booth!-M Steyn)
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To: NattieShea; PowerBaby
Here's another one girls.
87 posted on 02/28/2005 5:19:22 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Pokey78
A suicide bomber kills four Jews. So what's new? But this time the Palestinians decline to celebrate.

Actually they did celebrate.

Palestinian supporters of Islamic Jihad using mock explosive belts take part in a rally against Israel in Hebron University.  US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice pressed Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas to crack down on Palestinian militant groups, including the Islamic Jihad, linked to last week's deadly suicide attack in Tel Aviv.(AFP/Hazem Bader)
Mon Feb 28, 6:30 PM ET
AFP

Palestinian supporters of Islamic Jihad using mock explosive belts take part in a rally against Israel in Hebron University. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) pressed Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas to crack down on Palestinian militant groups, including the Islamic Jihad, linked to last week's deadly suicide attack in Tel Aviv.(AFP/Hazem Bader)

An effigy decorated with a picture of U.S President George W. Bush and Israeli flags with red stains representing blood, is seen during a rally in support of the Islamic Jihad movement, which claimed responsibility for last Friday's suicide bomb attack that killed five Israelis in Tel Aviv,  in the university of the West Bank town of Hebron Monday Feb. 28, 2005. The rally was the first major expression of support for Friday's bombing. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)
Mon Feb 28, 3:02 PM ET
AP

An effigy decorated with a picture of U.S President George W. Bush (news - web sites) and Israeli flags with red stains representing blood, is seen during a rally in support of the Islamic Jihad movement, which claimed responsibility for last Friday's suicide bomb attack that killed five Israelis in Tel Aviv, in the university of the West Bank town of Hebron Monday Feb. 28, 2005. The rally was the first major expression of support for Friday's bombing. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)

An Islamic Jihad militant holds a Qassam rocket as he walks on an Israeli flag during a rally in Hebron. Israeli troops in the northern West Bank discovered a car packed with explosives which is believed to have been prepared by militants from the radical Islamic Jihad movement.(AFP/Hossam Abu Alan)
Mon Feb 28,11:06 AM ET
AFP

An Islamic Jihad militant holds a Qassam rocket as he walks on an Israeli flag during a rally in Hebron. Israeli troops in the northern West Bank discovered a car packed with explosives which is believed to have been prepared by militants from the radical Islamic Jihad movement.(AFP/Hossam Abu Alan)

A youngster wearing an Islamic Jihad headband and a masked man wearing a fake explosive belt, right, attend a rally in support of the Islamic Jihad movement, which claimed responsibility for last Friday's suicide bomb attack that killed five Israelis in Tel Aviv at the university of the West Bank town of Hebron Monday Feb. 28, 2005. The rally was the first major expression of support for Friday's bombing. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)
Mon Feb 28,10:26 AM ET
AP

A youngster wearing an Islamic Jihad headband and a masked man wearing a fake explosive belt, right, attend a rally in support of the Islamic Jihad movement, which claimed responsibility for last Friday's suicide bomb attack that killed five Israelis in Tel Aviv at the university of the West Bank town of Hebron Monday Feb. 28, 2005. The rally was the first major expression of support for Friday's bombing. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)

Members of Islamic Jihad militant group attend a rally in the West Bank city of Hebron, February 28, 2005. Israel launched a diplomatic offensive against Damascus to lobby for international backing for its accusations of Syrian links to a Palestinian suicide bombing that killed five Israelis.  REUTERS/Nayef Hashlamoun
Mon Feb 28, 9:29 AM ET
Reuters

Members of Islamic Jihad militant group attend a rally in the West Bank city of Hebron, February 28, 2005. Israel launched a diplomatic offensive against Damascus to lobby for international backing for its accusations of Syrian links to a Palestinian suicide bombing that killed five Israelis. REUTERS/Nayef Hashlamoun

Members of Islamic Jihad militant group attend a rally in the West Bank city of Hebron, February 28, 2005. Israel launched a diplomatic offensive against Damascus to lobby for international backing for its accusations of Syrian links to a Palestinian suicide bombing that killed five Israelis.  REUTERS/Nayef Hashlamoun
Mon Feb 28, 9:31 AM ET
Reuters

Members of Islamic Jihad militant group attend a rally in the West Bank city of Hebron, February 28, 2005. Israel launched a diplomatic offensive against Damascus to lobby for international backing for its accusations of Syrian links to a Palestinian suicide bombing that killed five Israelis. REUTERS/Nayef Hashlamoun

Members of Islamic Jihad militant group attend a rally in the West Bank city of Hebron, February 28, 2005. Israel launched a diplomatic offensive against Damascus to lobby for international backing for its accusations of Syrian links to a Palestinian suicide bombing that killed five Israelis.  REUTERS/Nayef Hashlamoun
Mon Feb 28, 9:31 AM ET
Reuters

Members of Islamic Jihad militant group attend a rally in the West Bank city of Hebron, February 28, 2005. Israel launched a diplomatic offensive against Damascus to lobby for international backing for its accusations of Syrian links to a Palestinian suicide bombing that killed five Israelis. REUTERS/Nayef Hashlamoun

A masked supporter of the Islamic Jihad movement, which claimed responsibility for last Frday's suicide bomb attack that killed five Israelis in Tel Aviv, holds a knife and a copy of the Quran, Islam's holy book, during a demonstration in the university of the West Bank town of Hebron Monday Feb. 28, 2005. The rally was the first major expression of support for Friday's bombing. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)
Mon Feb 28, 9:21 AM ET
AP

A masked supporter of the Islamic Jihad movement, which claimed responsibility for last Frday's suicide bomb attack that killed five Israelis in Tel Aviv, holds a knife and a copy of the Quran, Islam's holy book, during a demonstration in the university of the West Bank town of Hebron Monday Feb. 28, 2005. The rally was the first major expression of support for Friday's bombing. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)

Members of Islamic Jihad militant group attend a rally in the West Bank city of Hebron, February 28, 2005. Israel launched a diplomatic offensive against Damascus to lobby for international backing for its accusations of Syrian links to a Palestinian suicide bombing that killed five Israelis.  REUTERS/Nayef Hashlamoun
Mon Feb 28, 9:28 AM ET
Reuters

Members of Islamic Jihad militant group attend a rally in the West Bank city of Hebron, February 28, 2005. Israel launched a diplomatic offensive against Damascus to lobby for international backing for its accusations of Syrian links to a Palestinian suicide bombing that killed five Israelis. REUTERS/Nayef Hashlamoun


88 posted on 02/28/2005 5:20:40 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: gridlock
Allow me to be the first to say: IT'S ALL GEORGE W. BUSH'S FAULT!

Yes, but this is one time when 1) it's TRUE and 2) the MSM and the dim's won't admit it.

89 posted on 02/28/2005 5:23:17 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: GSlob
It well may happen that what is seen behind the fallen wall is such that the wall might have to be erected again - but this time higher and stronger.

Want to put your thoughts on what might be behind the wall out in the open, GS?

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90 posted on 02/28/2005 5:24:19 PM PST by clyde asbury
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To: Pokey78
The state-run TV network hailed the president's speech as a "historical decision in the nation's 7,000-year-old march toward democracy".

Can't make that stuff up!

91 posted on 02/28/2005 5:30:16 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It is amazing to see this all happening , quicker than I ever thought.

Just wait until Saddam and his cohorts go on trial, get convicted and are hung. The arab street will be further emboldened and the arab dictators will soil their robes.

92 posted on 02/28/2005 5:32:49 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: My2Cents
Is Steyn the only guy in the media who figured out, one year before we toppled Saddam, what the purpose of our policy in Iraq was?

Probably not the only one, but a member of a select few. What's funny is that it was obvious to most Freepers, but so few in the media seemed to have a clue about it.

93 posted on 02/28/2005 5:34:52 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Maynerd
[The state-run TV network hailed the president's speech as a "historical decision in the nation's 7,000-year-old march toward democracy".]

Can't make that stuff up!

I know, I was laughing out loud at that one. It sounds like a parody from "The Onion", but it's real.

94 posted on 02/28/2005 5:36:06 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: antoninartaud

"There is a fearlessness about W. that perseveres against the naysayers."

It is called humility and faith in God, his "higher Father."
When you are listening for the voice of the Master you tend not to be distracted by the incessant yammerings of a peter jennings or an edward kennedy.


95 posted on 02/28/2005 5:41:10 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Peach

I just watched an interesting report from CNN's Nick Robertson in Baghdad.

He was at a cafe and talked to customers about the televised confessions being shown on Iraqi TV. Allawi has been showing captured terrorists, including Syrian intelligence agents, on TV confessing their crimes.

Everyone in the cafe was shocked at how their neighbours wanted to kill them, whilst the West did all it could to help them.

It seemed like Allawi's tactic of showing these televised confessions was rapidly changing attitudes towards the "insurgency".

Cheers.


96 posted on 02/28/2005 5:41:32 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: gridlock

Not only was it Bush's fault, Bush knew!


97 posted on 02/28/2005 5:44:55 PM PST by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: clyde asbury

Well, suicide bombers en masse, for the beginning.


98 posted on 02/28/2005 5:46:05 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Dog

This particular prince has a mischevious streat a mile wide. I remember an interview someone on FOX had with him a couple of years ago and they asked him why women couldn't drive in SA. He said he would love to have women drive since he loves his daughters and thought they would be fine drivers. Then he smiled and said his life would also be a lot easier if the women in his house would stop nagging him about driving.


99 posted on 02/28/2005 5:49:45 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Pokey78

It sucks to be a liberal.


100 posted on 02/28/2005 5:57:00 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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