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Parents ask judge to let Schiavo divorce husband/Jacksonville
The Florida Times Union ^ | 3/1/05 | PAUL PINKHAM

Posted on 03/01/2005 4:12:35 AM PST by cyn

A Jacksonville victim rights group and a state legislator urged Gov. Jeb Bush on Monday to launch a criminal probe into events that put Terri Schiavo in the hospital with severe brain damage 15 years ago.

Justice Coalition founder Ted Hires also asked the state Department of Children & Families to take Schiavo into protective custody and Florida's attorney general to initiate a civil rights investigation into her treatment and efforts by her husband to have the feeding tube that keeps her alive removed. . . .

Her parents said they filed the divorce proceedings because of Michael Schiavo's "total disregard for Terri as his wife." ....

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: boldnewcity; divorcemichaelyeah; jacksonville; jax; murder; nefl; notinmybackyard; schiavo; terrischiavo; terrisfight; unthinkable
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To: jbane
I'm probably being politically incorrect, but I think her husband probably did know her wishes and her parents should not interfere.

I won't say you're politically incorrect.

I'll say you're uninformed about the facts.

There are quotes from the estranged husband to the effect that he had no idea what her wishes were. Something like, "How the he!! do I know what she wanted. We were only in our 20s."

That quote is around, and can be found.

101 posted on 03/01/2005 12:38:33 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: atruelady

"I am making a point to not respond to any more posts that are in any way in opposition to supporting Terri.

Terri doesn't have time to waste and neither do I in fighting for her cause. "

I passionately agree with this! We can see the TRUTH and don't need to waste time trying to re-educate those who post only to obfuscate the TRUTH! Nothing I say will change their hideous little hearts. Nothing they say will change my belief in the sanctity of human life.


102 posted on 03/01/2005 12:41:13 PM PST by antceecee
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To: BibChr
That is, they mightn't be willing to read her mind, that she'd want to be divorced from a man who committed adultery against her to the extent of fathering two children while still married to her.

She wanted to divorce him, beginning in 1989. That was because he was abusive to her.

Now that he has been living with someone else for 10 years, and has 2 children with that woman, I think we can probably guess what her choice would be at this stage of the situation.

103 posted on 03/01/2005 12:41:42 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: atruelady
I am making a point to not respond to any more posts that are in any way in opposition to supporting Terri.

My only problem with this is that someone who doesn't know the facts of the case may read a thread and see the misinformation unanswered. You never know who's reading info.

104 posted on 03/01/2005 12:41:57 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: cyn

"I don’t want anyone trying to feed thatGIRL, Greer thundered from the bench in 2001.
Greer’s statement, “the law of the case is that she is going to die”, is part of the court record.
- Empire Journal.com

Petition Seeks Impeachment Of Schiavo Judge George Greer

Petition

VIOLATIONS UNDER FLORIDA LAW AGAINST TERRI

105 posted on 03/01/2005 12:42:39 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: atruelady
I am making a point to not respond to any more posts that are in any way in opposition to supporting Terri.

That is probably the best way to handle this now.

If people want to believe that it's better to kill a disabled, handicapped woman, then I can only pity them.

"Whatsoever you do to the least of these, you do to me."

106 posted on 03/01/2005 12:45:10 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: cyn

Perhaps you are right, you have more patience with these ghouls than I.


107 posted on 03/01/2005 12:46:50 PM PST by antceecee
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To: atruelady

I'm with you, lady. The newbie is most likely a troll looking to start some infighting. I usually don't respond to them either. This one just pushed my buttons.


108 posted on 03/01/2005 12:52:38 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: EggsAckley

They know how. Their posts are designed to do that.


109 posted on 03/01/2005 12:53:58 PM PST by atruelady
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To: atruelady
Looks like it's time for:


110 posted on 03/01/2005 12:56:07 PM PST by wisconsinconservative ("It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem.")
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To: cyn

It's a great story, and it proves that Terri is NOT brain dead, nor is she a veggie. The account of Christmas 2004's visit with her is equally important.

Like I said on another thread, I never thought I'd cheer for Social Services.


111 posted on 03/01/2005 1:12:24 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl
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To: mommy23; All

Well, well, well.

How very DEAR of Ms. Labayak to make herself available to this particular panel. How very INTERESTING that George Felos was then the Chairman of the Board for her Hospice. How CONVENIENT that this particular Hospice is associated with George Soros's Project on Death in America. And how very CURIOUS that all of this happened around the same time Florida was trying to make a martyr out of Terri Schiavo.

Anyone surprised at these bedfellows?

Anyone?

Beuhler?


112 posted on 03/01/2005 1:31:15 PM PST by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: pc93
LoL--I changed the subject line in the emails I just sent and the first reply was:

"Dear Concerned Citizen,

I appreciate your taking the time to share your views with me. Hearing from the people in my district is the best way that I can represent their wishes. I personally read every e-mail message that is sent to me. However, due to the large volume of messages that I receive on a daily basis, I cannot respond to every message. Please be assured that I have taken note of your comments and I am grateful for your input. If you would like to receive a written response, please make sure you have included your mailing address with your correspondence.

If you are in need of immediate assistance, please call my office at (561) 274-4777.

Very truly yours, Ron Klein State Senator District 30

_________

LoL, going back to my other post

I recall reading this

----- Original Message ----- From: "KLEIN.RON.WEB" Your message was deleted without being read on Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:30:15 -0500

113 posted on 03/01/2005 1:31:35 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: bjs1779

Bump


114 posted on 03/01/2005 1:32:30 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: Brian Sears

Welcome to Free Republic!


115 posted on 03/01/2005 1:33:55 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: DJ MacWoW

That is true, and I don't want to offend anyone that might join up to help Terri, but the disrupters follow the same format in posting.

There is a ton of information already available, and easy to find.

What I avoid is responding to posts that state information on a particular point that is easily disputed by simple reading.

For example jbane's posts are argumentative, and that person knows this.

The more time spent on arguing specific points (and that is what is amounts to), the less time one devotes to the actual cause.

This is why I would say that they are people signing up to divert our attentions from taking action to help Terri. 20 mintues tying a response that is ignored is 20 minutes that could have been spent typing a letter/message to help save Terri.


116 posted on 03/01/2005 1:34:25 PM PST by atruelady
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To: atruelady

Bump!


117 posted on 03/01/2005 1:37:01 PM PST by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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To: wisconsinconservative

I love that picture.


118 posted on 03/01/2005 1:37:25 PM PST by atruelady
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To: EggsAckley

That is what gets them off.


119 posted on 03/01/2005 1:38:18 PM PST by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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To: texasbluebell

BTTT.


120 posted on 03/01/2005 1:38:50 PM PST by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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To: cyn

>>I do not know how they handle this struggle day to day with all its ups and downs and dead ends!<<

I don't either. But they do.

Terri's brother once told me that, had it been him, he had no doubt in his mind Terri would be fighting tooth and nail for his life, rights, care, etc. I trust in that. I'd do the same for my own sister - and, indeed, have.

When I hear negative rubbish about the Schindlers, it just makes me see red. No one could possibly know what it's like to walk a mile in their shoes.


121 posted on 03/01/2005 1:43:15 PM PST by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn; floriduh voter; phenn; FreepinforTerri; kimmie7; Pegita; windchime; tutstar; Deo volente; ...

Terri ping! If anyone would like to be added to or removed from my Terri ping list, please let me know by FReepmail!


122 posted on 03/01/2005 1:45:15 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: cyn

May as well stop feeding the troll.


123 posted on 03/01/2005 1:58:23 PM PST by msp2004
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To: phenn; amdgmary
"Terri's brother once told me that, had it been him, he had no doubt in his mind Terri would be fighting tooth and nail for his life, rights, care, etc."

He said that at the press conference yesterday, too. He is such a good guy, even if he is a 'nole. Tell ya what, it was such a PLEASURE to see them yesterday. I'm wondering -- did any of the turtles make it back safely? (Ask Bob!)

124 posted on 03/01/2005 2:03:21 PM PST by cyn
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Commentary: Terri Schiavo shouldn't be allowed to starve to death

By Brad Leake
First-year political science student
Published: Tuesday, March 1, 2005

http://www.dailygamecock.com/news/2005/03/01/Viewpoints/Commentary.Terri.Schiavo.Shouldnt.Be.Allowed.To.Starve.To.Death-880717.shtml


125 posted on 03/01/2005 2:07:34 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

That was a bad link.-- here it is--

Commentary: Terri Schiavo shouldn't be allowed to starve to death
By Brad Leake
First-year political science student
Published: Tuesday, March 1, 2005
Article Tools: Page 1 of 2

There is a disabled woman in Florida who is going to be starved to death beginning March 18, by her husband, under authorization from a judge.

Michael Schiavo is going to pull Terri Schiavo's feeding tube and begin a 10- to 25-day long starvation process that will involve excruciating pain for her. Why? Because he says Terri would want it that way. Right.

She is not brain dead or on a respirator. She laughs, cries and tries to talk. She has brain damage and can't lift a spoon to her mouth.

In 1990, Terri's heart stopped beating for several minutes one night because of an unexplained trauma when she was alone with Michael in their apartment, causing an oxygen deficiency to her brain. Michael blames bulimia. There is evidence and testimony of doctors suggesting abuse.

After her collapse, Michael had the latest and greatest treatments administered. She improved. He blamed her doctor for not diagnosing the bulimia and sued him in 1993. He claimed he loved Terri and wanted to spend his life caring for her. A jury awarded him $350,000 and $750,000 in a medical trust fund to pay for the rehabilitative care Michael promised to give Terri. If she should die, he would receive the remainder of the fund.

Since that day in 1993, he has refused her any and all therapy. He was infuriated when nurses treated Terri for an infection and ordered no medication further in the future. He placed "do not resuscitate" on her hospital clipboard. He is withholding new treatments. Her parents can visit only with a policeman. Her priest is not allowed to administer communion. The few existing videos show an alert and alive Terri. He's banned any further footage or pictures. He had a girlfriend at the time of the trial, a woman he is now engaged to and has two children with.

Terri's parents tried to get Michael removed as Terri's guardian, but the court refused. During that trial, he was asked what he did with Terri's jewelry: "Um, I think I took her engagement ring and her, what do they call it, diamond wedding band and made a ring for myself." He will not divorce or release custody of her because he would lose the money.


126 posted on 03/01/2005 2:15:29 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: Chocolate Rose

This is the correct link

http://www.dailygamecock.com/sections/263942.html


127 posted on 03/01/2005 2:16:55 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: Chocolate Rose

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?


128 posted on 03/01/2005 2:19:24 PM PST by stopem (Support the troops yellow ribbon purse-key-holders.)
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To: Brian Sears

Hi, Brian -- thanks for posting that info. Here's hoping it all works for Terri!


129 posted on 03/01/2005 2:22:20 PM PST by cyn
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To: jbane

I find it interesting that you signed up on Freerepublic exactly FOUR days ago. WHO are you? Jodi? a Michael Schiavo plant? WHO? I seriously doubt you are the "expert" you are attempting to make out that you are. YOU HAVE AN AGENDA!!


130 posted on 03/01/2005 2:28:37 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South !)
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To: EggsAckley

Maybe the J stands for Jodi....


131 posted on 03/01/2005 2:31:41 PM PST by Politicalmom (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.")
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To: Chocolate Rose
ok, thanks -- and thanks again for that other article. agenda is right, and it ties right in w/45. which reminds me... need to ping someone.

re: passionate, energetic student involvement for Terri -- I'm still lol at the Gators for Terri -- Goooooooo Gators!

gatorbait! gatorbait! gatorbait! gatorbait! gatorbait! gatorbait! gatorbait! gatorbait! gatorbait!

132 posted on 03/01/2005 2:49:43 PM PST by cyn
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To: jbane
You know, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

You must not be thirsty.
133 posted on 03/01/2005 2:50:46 PM PST by lula (plsjr's wife)
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To: Chocolate Rose

From LA Times:

Arthur Caplan, chairman of medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania's School of Medicine, said that in more than seven years of hearings and appeals, the courts had always sided with Michael Schiavo as the best spokesman for his wife's interests and wishes.

"Either you believe in the courts and the right of the spouse to make these decisions, or this case basically calls into question every decision about forgoing life support," Caplan said.


134 posted on 03/01/2005 3:00:16 PM PST by jbane
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To: lula

I am as an oasis in a desert here.


135 posted on 03/01/2005 3:04:03 PM PST by jbane
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To: jbane
I am as an oasis in a desert here.

Ppffftt! More like a cesspool.

136 posted on 03/01/2005 3:19:33 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Politicalmom

That's what I thought too.

This is definately from HINO's camp.


137 posted on 03/01/2005 3:25:07 PM PST by atruelady
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To: Politicalmom

...and maybe the "bane" in jbane, stands for wolfbane.


138 posted on 03/01/2005 3:25:36 PM PST by atruelady
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To: jbane

Go back and tell the rest of your brethren in the death camp the we veteran FReepers know when we are trolled.


139 posted on 03/01/2005 3:26:47 PM PST by atruelady
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To: EternalVigilance

I've seen people walking around with less life in their eyes.


140 posted on 03/01/2005 3:38:09 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: pnz1

did you see #45?


141 posted on 03/01/2005 3:39:27 PM PST by cyn
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To: jbane
I don't believe in the courts in Clearwater, FloriDUH. Period.

I sure in he!! don't believe in this sorry Sunabeach! Period.

142 posted on 03/01/2005 3:49:24 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: wisconsinconservative

Don't worry about the "trolls." Everyone of them that I have seen are so uninformed about Terri's case that their comments make virtually no sense at all. Every time they post, they reveal their ignorance and lack of compassion. Besides, they are all living organisms in good health demanding the death of an innocent person.


143 posted on 03/01/2005 3:49:49 PM PST by Theodore R. (Terri has already outlived Eleanor Centzone.)
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To: Chocolate Rose

Clearwater people must be drinking something out of the ordinary to see George W. "Haman" Greer as worthy of admiration and respect.


144 posted on 03/01/2005 3:50:32 PM PST by Theodore R. (Terri has already outlived Eleanor Centzone.)
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To: jbane
"Either you believe in the courts and the right of the spouse to make these decisions,

Michael Schiavo: Loving Husband or Monster? Was Terri hit by a truck or was it domestic violence?


145 posted on 03/01/2005 3:51:13 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: jbane; All
>>The videos don't show any cognition by Terri at all.

Father Frank Pavone visited Terri 3 weeks ago and said she is VERY RESPONSIVE. She smiled and followed people around the room with her eyes. She was kissed by her father and SHE KISSED HIM BACK! She prayed with the father, and closed her eyes DURING the prayer, and opened them back up when the prayer was finished. THAT is pretty responsive... NOT PVS.

What's your agenda?


146 posted on 03/01/2005 3:52:30 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: jbane
--- "Michael has been under psychiatric care, including being prescribed several psychotropic medications. One of his treating therapists, Dr. Peter Kaplan, told Terri’s father that he should have called the police after Michael argued with Terri’s sister, Susanne, and Michael tried to attack her. This occurred right after Terri’s collapse, when they were all in a house together. Terri’s father told Susanne to lock her door and keep a hammer nearby."

--- "Michael fits the profile of an abusive husband. He should most definitely be investigated as the perpetrator of the ‘incident’ that caused Terri’s collapse and her current condition."

Testimony of Carole Lieberman, M.D., M.P.H.,
Psychiatrist/Expert Witness

147 posted on 03/01/2005 3:54:14 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: jbane
Michael the psychotic stalker audio
148 posted on 03/01/2005 3:58:37 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: pc93; mommy23
Important find, indeed:

This interim report details the individuals who were on the panel, which included none other than Mary Labyak, Executive Director And CEO, Hospice of The Florida Suncoast.

In reading this report and looking through the 22 member panel, I do not see anyone representing the interests of the disabled and incapacitated.

The panel was administered by the Pepper Institute on Aging and Public Policy from Florida State University.


149 posted on 03/01/2005 4:01:10 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: jbane
Cna H. Law
"When Terri would get a UTI or was sick, Michael’s mood would improve." H. Law - 1997 H. Law affidavit

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CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N
" I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April of 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there."

“Can’t you do anything to accelerate her death - won’t she ever die?” When she wouldn’t die, Michael would be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. ".....

" I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day...." CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N - Affidavit

----------------------------------------------------------------

Michael Schiavo Nov. 19, 1993

13 Q.It's my understanding that you, at least at one
14 time, were treating with a psychiatrist?

15 A. Right.

24 Q Did you ever express to Mr. Schindler or Mrs.
25 Schindler at any time that you felt like committing
P84
1 suicide?
2 A Oh, yeah, felt like dying lots of times. Human,
3 you know, a lot of people like to die, you know, expressed
4 that to my own parents.

150 posted on 03/01/2005 4:11:46 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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