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Posted on 03/01/2005 12:09:22 PM PST by Pyro7480
BTK Suspect Charged With 10 Murder Counts
By DAVID TWIDDY, Associated Press Writer
WICHITA, Kan. - Dennis Rader, the churchgoing family man and Cub Scout leader accused of leading a double life as the BTK serial killer, was charged Tuesday with 10 counts of first-degree murder.
Rader made his first court appearance since his Friday arrest by videoconference from his cell at the Sedgwick County detention center. During the brief hearing, Rader sat with his hands folded behind a small desk.
The BTK killer, whose nickname stands for "Bind, Torture, Kill," was suspected of eight deaths beginning in 1974, but authorities said Saturday they had linked two additional victims to the serial killer.
Rader's arrest has also prompted nearby law enforcement agencies through Kansas to reinvestigate any cold cases that bear similarities to the string of slayings.
Sedgwick County District Judge Greg Waller read the charges during the hearing, which lasted about five minutes. A preliminary hearing was set for March 15, when Rader is likely to be arraigned.
Rader's only comments during the hearing were short "yes" and "no" answers to questions.
He was accompanied at the hearing by a temporary attorney. Waller appointed the state's public defender office to represent Rader.
I sure hope one of them gets him the death penalty.
Death penalty will not be in play unless they can prove he committed murders after its re-instatement in 1994. Hope they can.
During the years he committed those murders, nobody in the U.S. was old enough to earn the death penalty.
I hope this guy leads law enforcement to reevaluate their profiling. Supposedly serial killers, rapists, stalkers, etc are loners with limited social skills. BTK proves that theory wrong. The guy who stalked me for seven years got married and had a child within that time frame. I was told it couldn't be him because he didn't fit the classic profile. LE was wrong then and they were wrong again in this case. Time to reassess.
Civil suits to come. He owned a house for years, that'll be gone. His wife will lose everything they owned.
I think "LE" is going to have alot of egg on their faces over this one.
From KWCH 12 News
Judge Greg Waller read the 10 counts of first degree murder filed against Rader. He is accused of killing Joseph and Julie Otero, Josephine Otero, Joseph Otero, Jr., and Kathryn Bright in 1974. He's also charged with murdering Nancy Fox and Shirley Vian in 1977, Marine Hedge in 1985, Vicki Wegerle in 1986 and Delores Davis in 1991.
Heck, Bundy proved that wrong before this guy.
If he stopped prior to '94, it would be interesting to learn the reason.
she could file bankruptcy
I think "LE" is going to have alot of egg on their faces over this one.
The voice from the hindsight committee speaks.
True. Thats all any of us have is hindsight though. And I for one found it stunning to read how much time and effort they invested only to come to find he knew a number of the victims. Two of them had worked with him at Coleman.
ABC News says there may be as many as 3 cold later cases linked to BTK. (one of which may be elgible for the death penalty.)
"I hope this guy leads law enforcement to reevaluate their profiling. Supposedly serial killers, rapists, stalkers, etc are loners with limited social skills. BTK proves that theory wrong. The guy who stalked me for seven years got married and had a child within that time frame. I was told it couldn't be him because he didn't fit the classic profile. LE was wrong then and they were wrong again in this case. Time to reassess."
You have an interesting and disturbing point. I feel we are using profiling as more of a "science" than is justified, especially when someone is overlooked because they didn't "fit the profile"
What's most surprising is that they took time off from their back-slapping and press conferences to file charges.
This could be true, but alot of depts. like to clean the books and pile on.
Not gonna happen.
Pics and other details at my Blog entries:
Those 3 counties are testing with DNA..lets hope they get one after the death penalty date!
** Turns out he worked with two of the victims and lived on the same street as a third. He also attended Wichita University, which they strongly suspected BTK had done. I think "LE" is going to have alot of egg on their faces over this one. **
Nowadays, we probably have computer programs that would have picked up on this 'coincidence' immediately. Rader would have been stopped fairly quickly, imo.
With the benefit of hindsight, it seems simple now to connect these dots. But they were dealing with literally thousands of potential suspects. Just an idea, anyway. I agree with you to a certain extent, though.
** I wouldn't be surprised if other murders linked to BTK. **
Have those Interstate 70 shootings been solved yet? It was during the 1990s, I think. Several of them.
Another frequent element of the typical serial killer profile is that they are a frustrated cop (i.e., police academy drop-out, working as a security guard, etc.) and will try to inject themselves into some aspect of the investigation (hanging out at cop bars, talking about the press reports of their killings, offering tips, etc.) Some of these do speak to Rader and what has been revealed about his personality type to date.
There have been female serial killers and there have been black serial killers, both of which were accurately profiled prior to apprehension. Profiling is, I imagine, like any other profession: there are profiles who are extremely proficient and do their jobs well, and their are others who are less capable. I highly recommend any of John Douglas's books...although they WILL make you reevaluate the way you look at some of the people around you!
I haven't been following this too closely, but it seems that most people consider this man "guilty" as charged.
I strongly tend toward "innocent" until proven guilty, but perhaps there's incontrovertible evidence against this man, or he's already confessed?
Can anyone show me the evidence against this man before we too-hastily judge him guilty?
He's a monster. According to his neighbors, he was a sadistic man who measured their grass with a ruler, who let his dog run free but ticketed a sick old lady who let her dog off the leash. Words don't describe this homicidal pervert.
Evidently he kept trophies of the murders in a shed in the backyard. His wife should have looked in the shed once in a while, but probably she didn't breathe until and unless her husband told her to. Can you imagine growing up in that household? With a sadistic killer/monster as a father? For sure he abused them all emotionally. He abused that entire neighborhood.
I think they have DNA from the daughter, and they found stuff in the backyard shed. Plus his computer.
I think there was one news report which stated he confessed.
Pictures seen by few, including possible baby picture.
Horrific poem written by killer and some excerpts of communication with police.
Link doesn't work.
According to all the news reports I've read, the police and/or the FBI have a DNA match, his confession, several murdered victims' items found in his back yard, and his "electronic fingerprints" on a floppy disk he mailed to them. That's just the stuff I can remember off the top of my head.
Some details about that floppy disk:
Rader typed something at his church and saved it on the floppy disk, but forgot to erase at least one file/folder on it. The folder's name was the same as the name of this Lutheran church. Last Friday, the police went to this church and asked the pastor if Rader had recently used one of their computers. The pastor said yes, then pointed to one of their computers. This computer was a match for whatever was on that floppy disk.
Also, the police are most likely eager to know more about the gun Rader used to make his victims submit to being tied up. News reports say he had a gun when he killed the lady who had 3 kids at home. (Her name was Shirley-something and the kids were locked in the closet). One of those kids had let Rader in the front door and the kid said he had a gun.
I'm thinking that if the police can find out more about Rader's gun, they might find that he was the Interstate 70 "white, slender male" who killed all those women in the 1990s.
Thank you for the information. The evidence is pretty strong against this guy. How devious to be living such extremes of a double-life....
Even if the DP is in play, Justice Kennedy will look to the fetish clubs of Europe and SF and LA and rule it unconstitutional.
"I haven't been following this too closely, but it seems that most people consider this man "guilty" as charged. I strongly tend toward "innocent" until proven guilty, but perhaps there's incontrovertible evidence against this man, or he's already confessed? Can anyone show me the evidence against this man before we too-hastily judge him guilty?"
The suspect is presumed "innocent" (pleads "not guilty") when he is on trial. The police and the public do not have to consider the suspect "innocent." There is no such obligation.
Why don't young people understand the legal concept "presumption of innocence"?
Can his wife divorce him and keep her share at least.
She'd have to move fast and right now that house is a crime scenel so it's not exactly going on the market.
Wanna buy a house cheap?....uh....don't look in that there shed.
In Indiana she could get a divorce in a couple of months....Possibly right after he is arraigned....SHe'd keep at least 50% of everything they accumulated together including his pension (which he'd have no need for now)
A lenient judge could give her more.....Any one know the laws there?
Imagine being put in the position of facing the fact your husbands a brutal killer and the need to divorce him immediately to keep from financial ruin. His last victims are his family.
"If he stopped prior to '94, it would be interesting to learn the reason."
Well, he started the killing in 1974, and the death penalty had been in effect here in Kansas until 1972. Do the math.
"Thats all any of us have is hindsight though."
Some of us were here in Wichita in the 1970s and are still here today. There is a lot that was learned then that has not been brought out lately. Much of it is the reason that BTK killings are described as terrorizing Wichita throughout the 70s.
"Can anyone show me the evidence against this man before we too-hastily judge him guilty?"
Good question. The evidence will come out at the trial. I do not really know of any evidence other than reports, and I do not know how accurate they are.
Wait and watch for the evidence at the trial.
you and I and everybody with at least a HS education could figure most of this stuff out....
a profiler is like a bureaucrat....always looking to make himself more needed than what is really necessary....
and , they have been more often wrong that right, it seems....
we all remember the DC sniper situation, where no profiler ever came even close to who the sniper was, let alone, two of them.....
police depts do a bad job of critiquing their work, though....
"He abused that entire neighborhood."
That is not the whole situation. Many he did abuse, but many others thought well of him, including my sister and a friend of mine.
In the 70s when BTK was a household word here in Wichita, he was thought to probably be "the person that you would lease suspect". And yet, this was a brutal killer. I do not know him or his victims. I do remember that the evidence that was reported back then was like hot and cold. Almost like 2 completely different human beings. He really liked to taunt police and the media, but did a very good job of muddying the field of possible suspects by knowing what and when to clean up after himself. I think the only thing that will really get him will be DNA because he could not know what the future would bring in terms of technology. Maybe computer data bases also.
Gee, thanks a lot!
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