Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

BTK Suspect Charged With 10 Murder Counts
Yahoo! News (AP) ^ | 3/1/2005 | David Twiddy

Posted on 03/01/2005 12:09:22 PM PST by Pyro7480

BTK Suspect Charged With 10 Murder Counts

By DAVID TWIDDY, Associated Press Writer

WICHITA, Kan. - Dennis Rader, the churchgoing family man and Cub Scout leader accused of leading a double life as the BTK serial killer, was charged Tuesday with 10 counts of first-degree murder.

Rader made his first court appearance since his Friday arrest by videoconference from his cell at the Sedgwick County detention center. During the brief hearing, Rader sat with his hands folded behind a small desk.

The BTK killer, whose nickname stands for "Bind, Torture, Kill," was suspected of eight deaths beginning in 1974, but authorities said Saturday they had linked two additional victims to the serial killer.

Rader's arrest has also prompted nearby law enforcement agencies through Kansas to reinvestigate any cold cases that bear similarities to the string of slayings.

Sedgwick County District Judge Greg Waller read the charges during the hearing, which lasted about five minutes. A preliminary hearing was set for March 15, when Rader is likely to be arraigned.

Rader's only comments during the hearing were short "yes" and "no" answers to questions.

He was accompanied at the hearing by a temporary attorney. Waller appointed the state's public defender office to represent Rader.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: bind; btk; dennisrader; kansas; kill; murder; rader; torture; wichita
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-76 next last
I wouldn't be surprised if other murders linked to BTK.
1 posted on 03/01/2005 12:09:23 PM PST by Pyro7480
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480

I sure hope one of them gets him the death penalty.


2 posted on 03/01/2005 12:11:04 PM PST by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480

Death penalty will not be in play unless they can prove he committed murders after its re-instatement in 1994. Hope they can.


3 posted on 03/01/2005 12:13:58 PM PST by beelzepug (Parking For Witches Only--All Others Will Be Toad.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: livius
I sure hope one of them gets him the death penalty.

During the years he committed those murders, nobody in the U.S. was old enough to earn the death penalty.

4 posted on 03/01/2005 12:14:37 PM PST by NautiNurse (Osama bin Laden has more tapes than Steely Dan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480

I hope this guy leads law enforcement to reevaluate their profiling. Supposedly serial killers, rapists, stalkers, etc are loners with limited social skills. BTK proves that theory wrong. The guy who stalked me for seven years got married and had a child within that time frame. I was told it couldn't be him because he didn't fit the classic profile. LE was wrong then and they were wrong again in this case. Time to reassess.


5 posted on 03/01/2005 12:14:52 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug

Civil suits to come. He owned a house for years, that'll be gone. His wife will lose everything they owned.


6 posted on 03/01/2005 12:16:19 PM PST by Beowulf9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Turns out he worked with two of the victims and lived on the same street as a third. He also attended Wichita University, which they strongly suspected BTK had done.

I think "LE" is going to have alot of egg on their faces over this one.

7 posted on 03/01/2005 12:19:26 PM PST by The G Man (The Red States ... the world's only hope for survival.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug; livius
Unless they link him to later murders, he won't get the death penalty.

From KWCH 12 News

Judge Greg Waller read the 10 counts of first degree murder filed against Rader. He is accused of killing Joseph and Julie Otero, Josephine Otero, Joseph Otero, Jr., and Kathryn Bright in 1974. He's also charged with murdering Nancy Fox and Shirley Vian in 1977, Marine Hedge in 1985, Vicki Wegerle in 1986 and Delores Davis in 1991.

8 posted on 03/01/2005 12:21:38 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Heck, Bundy proved that wrong before this guy.


9 posted on 03/01/2005 12:22:58 PM PST by kenth (I love the smell of burning troll in the morning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug
Death penalty will not be in play unless they can prove he committed murders after its re-instatement in 1994. Hope they can.

If he stopped prior to '94, it would be interesting to learn the reason.

10 posted on 03/01/2005 12:23:16 PM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9

she could file bankruptcy


11 posted on 03/01/2005 12:24:54 PM PST by job ("God is not dead nor doth He sleep")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: The G Man

I think "LE" is going to have alot of egg on their faces over this one.
______________

The voice from the hindsight committee speaks.


12 posted on 03/01/2005 12:26:58 PM PST by dmz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: kenth

True.


13 posted on 03/01/2005 12:28:21 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: dmz

True. Thats all any of us have is hindsight though. And I for one found it stunning to read how much time and effort they invested only to come to find he knew a number of the victims. Two of them had worked with him at Coleman.


14 posted on 03/01/2005 12:44:19 PM PST by The G Man (The Red States ... the world's only hope for survival.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480

ABC News says there may be as many as 3 cold later cases linked to BTK. (one of which may be elgible for the death penalty.)


15 posted on 03/01/2005 1:02:23 PM PST by gopwinsin04
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Canticle_of_Deborah

"I hope this guy leads law enforcement to reevaluate their profiling. Supposedly serial killers, rapists, stalkers, etc are loners with limited social skills. BTK proves that theory wrong. The guy who stalked me for seven years got married and had a child within that time frame. I was told it couldn't be him because he didn't fit the classic profile. LE was wrong then and they were wrong again in this case. Time to reassess."

You have an interesting and disturbing point. I feel we are using profiling as more of a "science" than is justified, especially when someone is overlooked because they didn't "fit the profile"


16 posted on 03/01/2005 1:33:26 PM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

What's most surprising is that they took time off from their back-slapping and press conferences to file charges.


17 posted on 03/01/2005 1:41:58 PM PST by D-fendr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480
Am I the only one who sees a resemblance between this guy and George Costanza?
18 posted on 03/01/2005 1:53:27 PM PST by feedback doctor (Mark Sanford for President in '08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gopwinsin04

This could be true, but alot of depts. like to clean the books and pile on.


19 posted on 03/01/2005 1:55:01 PM PST by brooklin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: feedback doctor

lol


20 posted on 03/01/2005 1:55:10 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: livius
I sure hope one of them gets him the death penalty.

Not gonna happen.

Pics and other details at my Blog entries:

BTK Arrested!

BTK-Biggest Crime of All.

21 posted on 03/01/2005 1:57:09 PM PST by Fishtalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: brooklin

Those 3 counties are testing with DNA..lets hope they get one after the death penalty date!


22 posted on 03/01/2005 2:01:39 PM PST by gopwinsin04
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: The G Man

** Turns out he worked with two of the victims and lived on the same street as a third. He also attended Wichita University, which they strongly suspected BTK had done. I think "LE" is going to have alot of egg on their faces over this one. **

Nowadays, we probably have computer programs that would have picked up on this 'coincidence' immediately. Rader would have been stopped fairly quickly, imo.

With the benefit of hindsight, it seems simple now to connect these dots. But they were dealing with literally thousands of potential suspects. Just an idea, anyway. I agree with you to a certain extent, though.


23 posted on 03/01/2005 2:02:35 PM PST by shutup_you_idiot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480

** I wouldn't be surprised if other murders linked to BTK. **

Have those Interstate 70 shootings been solved yet? It was during the 1990s, I think. Several of them.


24 posted on 03/01/2005 2:03:51 PM PST by shutup_you_idiot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Panzerlied; Canticle_of_Deborah
The archetype serial killer model is a white male, 20's - 30's, reclusive loner etc. This is just a basic statistical assumption that should be thought of as a block of clay. As crime scenes, victimology, etc. are studied and analyzed, a good profiler will mold and modify, add to and subtract from the base profile as appropriate...often times the end product is chillingly accurate.

Another frequent element of the typical serial killer profile is that they are a frustrated cop (i.e., police academy drop-out, working as a security guard, etc.) and will try to inject themselves into some aspect of the investigation (hanging out at cop bars, talking about the press reports of their killings, offering tips, etc.) Some of these do speak to Rader and what has been revealed about his personality type to date.

There have been female serial killers and there have been black serial killers, both of which were accurately profiled prior to apprehension. Profiling is, I imagine, like any other profession: there are profiles who are extremely proficient and do their jobs well, and their are others who are less capable. I highly recommend any of John Douglas's books...although they WILL make you reevaluate the way you look at some of the people around you!

25 posted on 03/01/2005 2:13:12 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480

I haven't been following this too closely, but it seems that most people consider this man "guilty" as charged.

I strongly tend toward "innocent" until proven guilty, but perhaps there's incontrovertible evidence against this man, or he's already confessed?

Can anyone show me the evidence against this man before we too-hastily judge him guilty?


26 posted on 03/01/2005 2:50:26 PM PST by Theo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480

He's a monster. According to his neighbors, he was a sadistic man who measured their grass with a ruler, who let his dog run free but ticketed a sick old lady who let her dog off the leash. Words don't describe this homicidal pervert.


27 posted on 03/01/2005 2:52:58 PM PST by hershey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9

Evidently he kept trophies of the murders in a shed in the backyard. His wife should have looked in the shed once in a while, but probably she didn't breathe until and unless her husband told her to. Can you imagine growing up in that household? With a sadistic killer/monster as a father? For sure he abused them all emotionally. He abused that entire neighborhood.


28 posted on 03/01/2005 2:55:54 PM PST by hershey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Theo

I think they have DNA from the daughter, and they found stuff in the backyard shed. Plus his computer.


29 posted on 03/01/2005 2:57:47 PM PST by hershey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Theo

I think there was one news report which stated he confessed.


30 posted on 03/01/2005 2:58:32 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Fishtalk
Latest BTK Update:

Pictures seen by few, including possible baby picture.

Horrific poem written by killer and some excerpts of communication with police.

BTK Update 3/1/05

31 posted on 03/01/2005 3:00:07 PM PST by Fishtalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Fishtalk

Link doesn't work.


32 posted on 03/01/2005 3:02:11 PM PST by Neets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Neets
Sorry.

BTK UPDATE 3/1/05_Correct Link

33 posted on 03/01/2005 3:14:25 PM PST by Fishtalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Theo

According to all the news reports I've read, the police and/or the FBI have a DNA match, his confession, several murdered victims' items found in his back yard, and his "electronic fingerprints" on a floppy disk he mailed to them. That's just the stuff I can remember off the top of my head.

Some details about that floppy disk:
Rader typed something at his church and saved it on the floppy disk, but forgot to erase at least one file/folder on it. The folder's name was the same as the name of this Lutheran church. Last Friday, the police went to this church and asked the pastor if Rader had recently used one of their computers. The pastor said yes, then pointed to one of their computers. This computer was a match for whatever was on that floppy disk.

Also, the police are most likely eager to know more about the gun Rader used to make his victims submit to being tied up. News reports say he had a gun when he killed the lady who had 3 kids at home. (Her name was Shirley-something and the kids were locked in the closet). One of those kids had let Rader in the front door and the kid said he had a gun.

I'm thinking that if the police can find out more about Rader's gun, they might find that he was the Interstate 70 "white, slender male" who killed all those women in the 1990s.


34 posted on 03/01/2005 3:16:28 PM PST by shutup_you_idiot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: shutup_you_idiot; Canticle_of_Deborah; hershey

Thank you for the information. The evidence is pretty strong against this guy. How devious to be living such extremes of a double-life....


35 posted on 03/01/2005 4:03:06 PM PST by Theo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug

Even if the DP is in play, Justice Kennedy will look to the fetish clubs of Europe and SF and LA and rule it unconstitutional.


36 posted on 03/01/2005 5:12:31 PM PST by Duke Nukum (King had to write, to sing the song of Gan. And I had to read. How else could Roland find the Tower?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Theo

"I haven't been following this too closely, but it seems that most people consider this man "guilty" as charged. I strongly tend toward "innocent" until proven guilty, but perhaps there's incontrovertible evidence against this man, or he's already confessed? Can anyone show me the evidence against this man before we too-hastily judge him guilty?"

The suspect is presumed "innocent" (pleads "not guilty") when he is on trial. The police and the public do not have to consider the suspect "innocent." There is no such obligation.

Why don't young people understand the legal concept "presumption of innocence"?


37 posted on 03/01/2005 5:57:04 PM PST by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9

Can his wife divorce him and keep her share at least.


38 posted on 03/01/2005 6:10:15 PM PST by hoosiermama (Karnakism: When a freeper posts the answer to your question, while you are typing the question)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: hoosiermama

She'd have to move fast and right now that house is a crime scenel so it's not exactly going on the market.


39 posted on 03/01/2005 6:12:12 PM PST by Beowulf9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9

Wanna buy a house cheap?....uh....don't look in that there shed.


40 posted on 03/01/2005 6:17:14 PM PST by Beowulf9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9

In Indiana she could get a divorce in a couple of months....Possibly right after he is arraigned....SHe'd keep at least 50% of everything they accumulated together including his pension (which he'd have no need for now)
A lenient judge could give her more.....Any one know the laws there?


41 posted on 03/01/2005 6:22:52 PM PST by hoosiermama (Karnakism: When a freeper posts the answer to your question, while you are typing the question)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: hoosiermama

Imagine being put in the position of facing the fact your husbands a brutal killer and the need to divorce him immediately to keep from financial ruin. His last victims are his family.


42 posted on 03/01/2005 6:27:54 PM PST by Beowulf9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9
Am still wondering what his relationship was like with them. He was a control freak! That set him up as an possible abuser (at least emotionally) to his family. They will no doubt need some good counseling. First to help them deal with the shock of jerking them out of denial, and later to understand how he was able to manipulate and control their family structure.

Prayers for all of them. His family was truly victimized....But I'd argue they were his first not last victims.
43 posted on 03/01/2005 7:57:19 PM PST by hoosiermama (Karnakism: When a freeper posts the answer to your question, while you are typing the question)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: elbucko

"If he stopped prior to '94, it would be interesting to learn the reason."

Well, he started the killing in 1974, and the death penalty had been in effect here in Kansas until 1972. Do the math.


44 posted on 03/01/2005 9:51:25 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: The G Man

"Thats all any of us have is hindsight though."

Some of us were here in Wichita in the 1970s and are still here today. There is a lot that was learned then that has not been brought out lately. Much of it is the reason that BTK killings are described as terrorizing Wichita throughout the 70s.


45 posted on 03/01/2005 9:56:19 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Theo

"Can anyone show me the evidence against this man before we too-hastily judge him guilty?"

Good question. The evidence will come out at the trial. I do not really know of any evidence other than reports, and I do not know how accurate they are.

Wait and watch for the evidence at the trial.


46 posted on 03/01/2005 10:07:47 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I think "profiling" is a crock.....

you and I and everybody with at least a HS education could figure most of this stuff out....

a profiler is like a bureaucrat....always looking to make himself more needed than what is really necessary....

and , they have been more often wrong that right, it seems....

we all remember the DC sniper situation, where no profiler ever came even close to who the sniper was, let alone, two of them.....

47 posted on 03/01/2005 10:17:02 PM PST by cherry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: The G Man
I read on Kansas.com that apparently some expert from Canada reviewed the BTK murders some time ago, and pointed at Dennis Rader as their guy......this is all second hand info but the poster seemed to be reliable....

police depts do a bad job of critiquing their work, though....

48 posted on 03/01/2005 10:19:46 PM PST by cherry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: hershey

"He abused that entire neighborhood."

That is not the whole situation. Many he did abuse, but many others thought well of him, including my sister and a friend of mine.

In the 70s when BTK was a household word here in Wichita, he was thought to probably be "the person that you would lease suspect". And yet, this was a brutal killer. I do not know him or his victims. I do remember that the evidence that was reported back then was like hot and cold. Almost like 2 completely different human beings. He really liked to taunt police and the media, but did a very good job of muddying the field of possible suspects by knowing what and when to clean up after himself. I think the only thing that will really get him will be DNA because he could not know what the future would bring in terms of technology. Maybe computer data bases also.


49 posted on 03/01/2005 10:24:55 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: feedback doctor
Am I the only one who sees a resemblance between this guy and George Costanza?

Gee, thanks a lot!

50 posted on 03/02/2005 1:47:17 AM PST by George Costanza
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-76 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson