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Jet Flies On With One Engine Out
LA Times ^ | Eric Malnic and Hector Becerra, Times Staff Writers

Posted on 03/01/2005 2:11:22 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

British Airways jumbo jet lost power in an engine on takeoff from Los Angeles International Airport last month, but the pilot elected not to make an emergency landing for repairs, deciding instead to continue the 5,400-mile, transatlantic flight to London on the remaining three engines, officials said Monday.

Because of unfavorable winds and inefficiencies resulting from the engine loss, the Boeing 747-400 burned more fuel than anticipated, and the pilot was forced to cut the nonstop flight short and land in Manchester, England, the airline said.

The incident occurred three days after the European Union required European-based carriers to compensate passengers whose flights were delayed.

But Diane Fung, a spokeswoman for British Airways, said the pilot's decision had nothing to do with that requirement.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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The full title would not fit under the limits of Free Republic, so I will copy the full one below.

Jet Flies On With One Engine Out

-Despite LAX takeoff malfunction, British Airways pilot continues nonstop trip to London. The 747 lands safely but short of its destination.

So what? It's a 4-engine plane. It was designed to be able to lose an engine during takeoff and still be able to takeoff.
1 posted on 03/01/2005 2:11:24 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: COEXERJ145; RayChuang88; AGreatPer; Prophet in the wilderness

Ping!


2 posted on 03/01/2005 2:13:01 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I agree that this jet was fully capable of making the flight, but it seems it would have made more sense to switch planes somewhere on the east coast, there would have been ample time to arrange this, rather than go across the Atlantic.


3 posted on 03/01/2005 2:13:46 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Paleo Conservative

If you ask me that pilot needs to ride a desk. When you lose an engine you land. His judgement is negligent at best, at worst criminal.


4 posted on 03/01/2005 2:14:12 PM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

About 20 years ago a DC-9 (or MD-80) actually had one enging FALL OFF in mid flight. The pilot landed safely and no one was injured.


5 posted on 03/01/2005 2:14:53 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Samurai_Jack

Amen. Engine loss is cause for immediate landing, regardless of the number of total engines.


6 posted on 03/01/2005 2:19:05 PM PST by Textide
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To: Paleo Conservative

This really belongs on a "conservative news forum?"


7 posted on 03/01/2005 2:20:57 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Paleo Conservative

If they don't need four, then why do they have four?


9 posted on 03/01/2005 2:21:33 PM PST by JohnG45
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To: Samurai_Jack
"If you ask me that pilot needs to ride a desk. When you lose an engine you land. His judgement is negligent at best, at worst criminal."

Agreed.

10 posted on 03/01/2005 2:22:03 PM PST by blam
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To: Paleo Conservative
It was designed to be able to lose an engine during takeoff and still be able to takeoff.

I read that a little bit differently ... more like, it was designed to be able to lose an engine during takeoff and still be able to land safely somewhere close for repairs.

12 posted on 03/01/2005 2:24:25 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Samurai_Jack

Agreed. The cause for the failure of the engine was unknown. It was impossible to know while in the air.

The "cause" could have caused the other engines to fail, too. Besides, they lost their redundancy.


13 posted on 03/01/2005 2:24:29 PM PST by dhs12345
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This really belongs on a "conservative news forum"?

Especially on a day we should all be glued to the Michael Jackson trial?

14 posted on 03/01/2005 2:25:57 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: JohnG45

insurance through multiple redundancy.

a four-engine plane can remain aloft safely with only two engines. not adviseable, since losing one more = crisis.


15 posted on 03/01/2005 2:26:51 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

In 1979, an American Airlines DC-10 lost an engine as it was taking off from O'Hare airport. The engine had been reinstalled improperly after being removed for servicing. The plane crashed and killed everyone on board, including a close relative of mine. The problem was that the engine ripped out the hydraulics, and that the co-pilot didn't have a "shaker stick" installed, which would have indicated the plane was about to stall. The co-pilot and pilot apparently followed procedures exactly, unaware that the plane was about to stall. Had they done a full acceleration, the plane would not have stalled and could have probably returned to the airport.


17 posted on 03/01/2005 2:27:20 PM PST by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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To: wagglebee
I agree that this jet was fully capable of making the flight, but it seems it would have made more sense to switch planes somewhere on the east coast, there would have been ample time to arrange this, rather than go across the Atlantic.

Unfortunately, the great circle route beween Los Angeles and London goes nowhere near our east coast states. By a whole bunch.

Grab a globe and check it out.

18 posted on 03/01/2005 2:27:22 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: JohnG45

It's required per FAA regs that they have more power than they need.

The twin engine jets can actually take off on one.


19 posted on 03/01/2005 2:29:36 PM PST by jimt
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This really belongs on a "conservative news forum?"

Of course.

The pilot was "conserving" engine thrust.

Old WWII joke: fighter pilot buzzes an allied bomber, doing loops, etc. Fighter pilot calls the bomber on the radio, "lets see you do that!"

Bomber pilot shuts off engine #1 and radios the fighter pilot, "Lets see you do that!"

LVM

20 posted on 03/01/2005 2:29:43 PM PST by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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