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GANG LAND
Michelle Malkin ^ | Mar. 02, 2005 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 03/02/2005 8:34:04 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage

GANG LAND By Michelle Malkin · March 02, 2005 10:32 AM

First Lady Laura Bush is leading a warm-and-fuzzy youth initiative to discourage young boys and men from joining gangs.

But as I report in my new column today, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than Kodak photo-ops to combat the criminal alien gang problem spreading across the country:

With all due respect to the First Lady, this is a job best left to law enforcement professionals willing to get tough, get dirty, and crack heads. From the suburbs to our national forests, savage criminal alien gangs are infiltrating America and luring young recruits.

Compassionate conservatism ain't gonna stop them.

As many law enforcement sources have been informing me, native gangs such as the Bloods and Crips have nothing on the recent wave of criminal alien enterprises settling across the heartland. Recent enforcement action in New York demonstrates the scope of the problem. Last month in New York, 41 criminal aliens with felony convictions were arrested by immigration and customs enforcement (ICE) agents on a single day as part of a joint public safety initiative between ICE and the U.S. Probation Office of the Eastern District of New York.

According to the Department of Homeland Security, the aliens arrested in New York — half of whom were here illegally—include citizens of Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brazil, China, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, Ghana, Haiti, Italy, Jamaica, Jordan, Mexico, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Russia, Trinidad, Turkey, Ukraine and Venezuela. The operation targeted criminal aliens with prior felony convictions for "murder, firearms trafficking, drug trafficking, money laundering, racketeering, fraud, false statements, receipt of stolen property, producing false identity documents, copyright infringement and other federal felonies."

A related ICE operation in Chicago targeted violent Hispanic gangs. Over the past five years, ICE agents on Chicago’s Violent Gang Task Force have arrested more than 375 known alien gang members.

As I've been reporting in previous columns and on the blog, the most notorious criminal alien gang on the scene is Mara Salvatrucha/MS-13. They're on the border, in the suburbs, and now...in our national forests. Earlier this week, I spoke with Siskiyou County, Calif., sheriff Rick Riggins, who has uncovered massive marijuana farms in our federal forests . Riggins reports that the Mexican Mafia and MS-13 paraphernalia have been discovered on the scene.

My conclusion: The solution lies with increased federal-local cooperation, aggressive deportation, and uncompromising immigration enforcement, not with piddly anti-gang/"conflict resolution" grants doled out by the First Lady.

*** Related news:

Alleged gang members accused of murdering pregnant 17-year-old

Jail just a rest stop for gangsters

U.S. steps up battle against Salvadoran gang MS-13

An inside look at MS-13 gang initiations

Full-blown war by Hmong gangs alarms police (registration required)

Gang getting more violent (registration required)

Mara Salvatruchas to take on the Minutemen vigilantes TrackBack <1>


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; borders; criminals; gangs; immigration; mexico; michellemalkin; ms13
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These gangs are no longer "on the border", they're all over this country with local law enforcement outnumbered and out gunned.

A related article:

GREEN CARDS AND GANGS

Siskiyou County, California, Feb. 26, 2005

They come from Mexico for jobs by way of a document called a “green card”. Such immigrants are termed “legal permanent Residents” with many of the same rights as US citizens outlined here,

o To live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any actions that would make you removable (deportable) under the immigration law (section 237, Immigration and Nationality Act). o To be employed in the United States at any legal work of your qualification and choosing. o To be protected by all of the laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions. o To vote in local elections where United States Citizenship is not required. Click here for more details on voting. Exceptions o Some jobs will be limited to United States Citizens because of security concerns. http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm

Today Siskiyou county Sheriff Rick Riggins and Captain Mike Murphy presented a slide show and details of Marijuana growing operations on federal forest land as a warning to residents of the dangers of happening across one of these farms. These operations are spearheaded by various Latino gangs, one being the powerful, well armed MS-13 gang that began in El Salvador. Sheriff Riggins stated that his biggest problem in combating this scourge is his office being labeled, "racist".

On Sept. 11, 2004, one such farm was busted by the Sheriff with help from BLM and the forest service netting thousands of plants and several Mexicans who either held green cards or were awol from the Mexican military and in this country illegally. These raids are no simple task as the terrain is nearly insurmountable and usually remote, however one growing operation was within 2 miles of the city limits of Etna, California. Resources are limited in such small counties, with little help from federal officials, even though this organized criminal enterprise has been going on in these mountains for many years. Homeland Security says such operations are not their concern.

The gangs are back this year getting ready for next falls harvest to be distributed across the US. Their supplies and equipment will be brought in from the cities and deliveries to replenish them are undertaken at night every few weeks. The farms are guarded at all times.

Slides of the “camps” complete with a “hooch” for living were shown. Huge pits are dug, one big enough for an SUV, for garbage and waste. The trees are cut or skinned to pile “moats” around the farms to camouflage them. Black irrigation pipe is buried for miles to get water to the plants. The environment on our national lands is being degraded by these operations, destroying habitat and watershed purity.

We saw the AK-47’s, axes, shovels, a . 22 rifle with the name “ Los Pleves” scratched on the stock. We saw notebooks of the growers with markings of MS-13 and a drawing of a Lexus that one “immigrant” intended to buy with the drug profits.

Most of the farms appear to be run by the same organizations mostly through the Mexican Mafia year after year. Though a few are busted, a substantive dent has not been made and they know they can operate here more safely and profitably than in Mexico and there is no worry of getting the product back into the states.

Across the border in Oregon, the story is the same. The Sheriffs of Jackson, Josephine and Klamath County work together to find the farms and arrest the perpetrators. All have been Mexican so far, most with green cards. These same gangs also brew Methanphetimine to finance their organized crime activities during off season.

We do not need yet another “guest worker” program to supply dangerous gangs with recruits. We need to find out why these people were ever allowed in this country in the first place and how to keep more of them out.

Siskiyou County, California TheTownCrier@gmail.com

1 posted on 03/02/2005 8:34:04 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage
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To: JustAnotherSavage

While I agree with a lot that Michelle is saying here, she misses a point about the initiative the First Lady is undertaking. She is going to concentrate on boys in the schools and how they are left behind in terms of their reading ability, etc. That does NOT take law enforcement.


2 posted on 03/02/2005 8:35:15 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; SierraWasp; blackie; Mudboy Slim; FBD; Happy2BMe

Gang ping!


3 posted on 03/02/2005 8:35:33 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

BARACADE THE BORDERS!!!!!!

geeze Bush is as bad as Clinton when it comes to illegals and legals.....it aint worth the few votes.


4 posted on 03/02/2005 8:35:46 AM PST by Vaquero
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To: JustAnotherSavage
With all due respect to the First Lady, this is a job best left to law enforcement professionals willing to get tough, get dirty, and crack heads. From the suburbs to our national forests, savage criminal alien gangs are infiltrating America and luring young recruits.

Count on Michele to tell it like it is.

5 posted on 03/02/2005 8:36:48 AM PST by stopem (Support the troops yellow ribbon purse-key-holders.)
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To: mindspy; mysto; holyscroller; ozarkgirl; Outland; Rick Deckard; ZeitgeistSurfer; Klickitat; ...

"As I've been reporting in previous columns and on the blog, the most notorious criminal alien gang on the scene is Mara Salvatrucha/MS-13. They're on the border, in the suburbs, and now...in our national forests. Earlier this week, I spoke with Siskiyou County, Calif., sheriff Rick Riggins, who has uncovered massive marijuana farms in our federal forests . Riggins reports that the Mexican Mafia and MS-13 paraphernalia have been discovered on the scene."


6 posted on 03/02/2005 8:37:57 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Peach

" she misses a point about the initiative the First Lady"

Did you see the point she is trying to make about the infiltration of these gangs everywhere? The point is, school boys are not the problem these gangs are and NO ONE is paying attention in the white house.


7 posted on 03/02/2005 8:40:45 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

A criminal gang in effect declares war on the rest of us.

You respond to a declaration of war with war.


8 posted on 03/02/2005 8:42:00 AM PST by marron
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To: Conspiracy Guy; Stoat; Marauder; Brian Allen; rcocean; ConservativeMan55; Dr. Zoo; cyborg; ...

Michelle ping!


9 posted on 03/02/2005 8:42:24 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

You know the rules!


10 posted on 03/02/2005 8:44:59 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: Peach
I agree, this articles sets up to much of a either or scenario. These two initiatives are focusing on different segments. I respect the work Laura Bush is doing and I don't think it was ever intended to be the sole measure against gang violence.

That being said I agree with Michelle here, immigration laws are the single great enabler of gang violence today. We need to toughen them, and enforce them properly.
11 posted on 03/02/2005 8:45:36 AM PST by Ksnavely (I got a new T-shirt (check my profile) hehe its a big hit with my commie prof's)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Isn't that lovely that they get green cards, but a hard working Canadian girl with a Bachelor's degree can't get one to join the US Navy or Marine Corps.

Something's wrong with the immigration policy when they'll take people from every cesspool on earth but avoid places that aren't "diverse" enough. I thought they'd want people who blended into society.


12 posted on 03/02/2005 8:45:57 AM PST by SweetPilotofCanuckistan
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To: Conspiracy Guy
yes we must have pictures. If I knew how to post pictures in these forums I would hunt some down myself.
13 posted on 03/02/2005 8:46:30 AM PST by Ksnavely (I got a new T-shirt (check my profile) hehe its a big hit with my commie prof's)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

The beauty part is the "Supremes" decision about the death penalty for teenagers.


14 posted on 03/02/2005 8:49:04 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother ( We need a few more Marines like Lt. Gen. James Mattis)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

I wouldn't say that no one is paying attention to the gang problem. Law enforcement is paying attention. Why just today I saw an FNC infomercial for an upcoming special they have on this very matter.

What would you like the White House to do?


15 posted on 03/02/2005 8:50:34 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Ksnavely

16 posted on 03/02/2005 8:51:33 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

17 posted on 03/02/2005 8:52:06 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: Peach

It would be nice if Homeland Security considered this growing gang presence in small communities part of their charge, but they do not.


18 posted on 03/02/2005 8:59:14 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I'm sorry, but I can't get this machine to post a photo!


19 posted on 03/02/2005 9:00:20 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
Speaking of gangs, can anybody explain this experience? I've had this happen to me twice in the past 6 months, once in NY City and once in Philly.

While walking in parts of town I probably shouldn't have been walking I've had Latino youth start counting in Spanish upon seeing me approach. They get uncomfortably close to me but don't touch me.

I never changed my stride but walked past them. I wonder if this means anything since the two incidents were so similar?
20 posted on 03/02/2005 9:01:45 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

; )


21 posted on 03/02/2005 9:02:55 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: Ramcat

I am no expert, but these gangs have "codes" and all sorts of messages, so I wouldn't be surprised. There is another article up today about how very young kids, 10 years old are recruited.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1354282/posts?page=1


22 posted on 03/02/2005 9:04:55 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

"The beauty part is the "Supremes" decision about the death penalty for teenagers."

It wouldn't have helped if the gang banger was Mexican, since we honor their laws of NO DEATH PENALTY.


23 posted on 03/02/2005 9:06:26 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Czar; Red6; F16Fighter

FYI


24 posted on 03/02/2005 9:18:06 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: SweetPilotofCanuckistan
They were afraid you would eventually end up becoming a citizen and voting Republican.

Illegals who are willing to vote Democrat immediately are welcomed. ;)

25 posted on 03/02/2005 9:28:28 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: SweetPilotofCanuckistan

A hard working Canadian girl with a Bachelor's degree can come to America legally can't she? Perhaps not to work in the armed forces, don't know those rules.

But you are so correct, there is something wrong with an immigration policy that allows illegal entry of every lowlife when their own country doesn't want them due to crime. Sickening.


26 posted on 03/02/2005 9:29:41 AM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Thanks for this and other pings related to the illegal immigration disaster.

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27 posted on 03/02/2005 9:31:33 AM PST by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
"Operations are spearheaded by various Latino gangs, one being the powerful, well armed MS-13 gang that began in El Salvador. Sheriff Riggins stated that his biggest problem in combating this scourge is his office being labeled, 'racist'."

I believe Sheriff Riggins.

The Politically Correct Brownshirters -- the ACLU and their proxies -- the Courts and both U.S. Houses by virtue of "Hate Crime" legislation -- has crippled U.S. Law Enforcement.

And I wonder how the DoJ would react to KKK, Skinheads, and White Supremicists overrunning cities and towns across the country spreading drugs, murder, and mayhem throughout America?

Again -- Homeland Security, the DoJ, AND the Bush Administration is negligent in protecting it's OWN citizenry.

The irony is not lost when one looks at the committment, conviction, resources, and energy spent for Afghan and Iraqi "security."

28 posted on 03/02/2005 9:35:59 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: SweetPilotofCanuckistan

Sounds like you wouldn't cause any problems for the taxpayers. Get yourself a police record and sneak over the border.


29 posted on 03/02/2005 9:39:23 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: SweetPilotofCanuckistan

I remember your posting a few weeks ago, evidently you've had no luck. Yes, there is something very wrong with our immigration policy. Two of the gang bangers mentioned in the above article were from well know Mexican crime families, but they got green cards. I am left with the observation that green cards are given out willy nilly to those from south of the border. I'm so sorry you are not part of this country!


30 posted on 03/02/2005 9:58:38 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

How do you know they don't? There is a huge special coming up on FNC about how LE is attacking this problem.


31 posted on 03/02/2005 9:59:39 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Because local law enforcement says Homeland security won't help,(in the articles) they are only interested in "terrorists". Call a few of them, they'll tell you.


32 posted on 03/02/2005 10:02:46 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Well then, what are the people who are so worried about this going to do about it? How about writing some letters to the editor, calling your local police department, writing letters to Congress, etc. Let's not just complain about stuff...get active.


33 posted on 03/02/2005 10:03:52 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

And just as an aside, I would take a few people who are quoted anonymously seriously. I'd be completely shocked if Homeland Security wasn't aware of this problem and finding ways to address it.


34 posted on 03/02/2005 10:04:31 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: JustAnotherSavage; All

I heard that Fox News is having a special program on gangs. It's supposed to be hosted by Newt Gingrich. Can anyone confirm? I didn't find it listed on their web site.


35 posted on 03/02/2005 10:29:16 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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Seems like it will be as effective as "Just say NO" You would have to remove them from the home environment to do any good at all


36 posted on 03/02/2005 10:33:30 AM PST by Bogtrotter52 (Singin' the blues with a smarmy Irish smile)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
Not much usually gets fixed without a ground swell of public opinion for or against one thing or another. The politicians care about their cushy jobs more than anything else. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. As the nation continues to voice its opinion against illegal immigration and answers to our porous borders, the good time Charlie's will come rolling in singing to the beat of the band. The president recognizes the problem with the border, his ability to change his stance to conform to an evolving tide of public opinion depends on us. We need to support him without fear of offering alternatives to any initial solutions. I love this president, he's not perfect, but he is honest, he has done one hell of a job so far, and has our best intentions at heart. Lets help him, and not feed the appeasers on the left their lunch by how we go about helping him. We can fix the border, together.
37 posted on 03/02/2005 10:38:02 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: Peach

"Well then, what are the people who are so worried about this going to do about it? How about writing some letters to the editor, calling your local police department, writing letters to Congress, etc. Let's not just complain about stuff...get active."

That's what were doing here. This is not a social club for me.


38 posted on 03/02/2005 10:39:20 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: TheForceOfOne

"We can fix the border, together."

I agree. But that "together" means some input from the feds, not just the BLM or forest service, which is all the help offered so far.


39 posted on 03/02/2005 10:41:28 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Where is the line between a criminal gang that crosses international borders, then proceeds to rape, mutilate, kill and rob citizens, and terrorists? ANY widespread criminal activity that serves to intimidate and threaten law-abiding citizens is by its very definition terrorist.

A gang made up of members who have fled their own country, and has reconstituted its objective in another country, is every bit as much a terrorist organization as young men that left Saudi Arabia for Iraq and Afghanistan, and subsequently went into a third country with great mischief in mind.

Homeland Security should be making this sort of activity a much higher priority than has been done up to now. Local police can do the necessary groundwork in locating and capturing these outlaws, but then once captured, the necessary support to ensure these gangsters are NEVER again a threat to the locality should be provided.


40 posted on 03/02/2005 10:43:57 AM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: JustAnotherSavage
Correct,
Step one of the problem, more manpower.
41 posted on 03/02/2005 10:44:02 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Good. For lots of people, it is a social club and I think the former silent majority and younger generation needs to be a bit more pro-active.


42 posted on 03/02/2005 10:46:45 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: alloysteel

"ANY widespread criminal activity that serves to intimidate and threaten law-abiding citizens is by its very definition terrorist."

One would think so. From what I'm seeing, illegals and gangs have caused more death and destruction than 9/ll did.


43 posted on 03/02/2005 10:49:27 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

The answer may not be the governments problem to solve properly. This is America, a capitalist, competition based economy. Why not allow bidding to occur on contracts to defend the border. Private companies provide all kinds of military support to our government, the range of power to enforce the border would require strict controls against conflict with local, State, and Federal law enforcement.


44 posted on 03/02/2005 10:54:18 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: Peach
President Bush addressed "Americas Immigration System" in one paragraph during his State of the Union Address while revamping Social Security received a whopping 10 paragraphs.

I agree Social Security should be taken care of, but there is no Social Security without HOMELAND SECURITY. Illegals are treated with kid gloves and our tax dollars go to support poor, legal immigrants, Our prisons are full of illegals and green-card holders who have committed violent crimes.

Since I am speaking to the choir, let me get to the point. I wrote the RNC the other day, so have a few of my friends. What did we say?

NO MORE MONEY (ie Donations to the RNC or any candidate)for anything until the immigration system is taken care of to OUR SATISFACTION. We voted them in, supported them with our dollars. . .for a REASON, if they cant do what we pay them to do..the pocket books should close down.

Let Bush give me 10 paragraphs on that!
45 posted on 03/02/2005 11:05:18 AM PST by hushpad
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To: hushpad

BTT


46 posted on 03/02/2005 11:06:59 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: hushpad; HiJinx; All

Interesting bit from the gangbangers themselves.

Mara Salvatruchas to take on
the Minutemen vigilantes

by
Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - March 1, 2005 - (ACN) It looks like there is going to be a "showdown at OK corral" on April 1st in Tombstone, Arizona. A high level leader of the Mara Salvatruchas, Ebner Anivel Rivera-Paz, has issued orders, from federal prison, to members of his extremely violent organization to teach the Minutemen vigilantes a lesson they will never forget, La Voz de Aztlan has learned.

The Mara Salvatruchas (MS-13) are a consequence of USA policies in Central America and are just another example of "the chickens coming home to roost". Its members are the sons of immigrants from El Salvador and other Central American countries that were forced to flee because of the CIA instigated war during the Reagan Administration that completely destroyed the physical, economic, social, religious and cultural infrastructure of the region. MS-13 was founded in Los Angeles by the offspring of the immigrants for protection. Later, many of the members were deported back to Central America where they expanded their operations and joined up with former members of the Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front (FMLN).

Today, the Mara Salvatruchas have grown immensely in numbers and their network has expanded through Mexico all the way to Canada. The extremely violent group controls large portions of the drug, stolen vehicle and immigrant smuggling operations along the US/Mexico border and will not put up with clowns like the Minutemen vigilantes. The amateurish Minutemen may be in for a big surprise on April Fools Day and on the subsequent days that they plan to patrol the border with Mexico in Arizona. The Mara Salvatruchas are known to cut the "testicles" of their enemies and feed them to their vicious dogs. Other times they have cut the heads off their opponents to play football soccer with them. These are not people to mess around with.

There is a good probability that very few cowardly Minutemen vigilantes will show up on April 1st in Tombstone, Arizona. The principal imbeciles organizing the event are known to be mere loudmouths. The morons think that they will be just having "some fun in the sun" hunting down defenseless Mexican migrant workers but instead may meet up with the devil himself. Satan has a very warped sense of humor and April 1st would be an excellent day to express it.

http://www.aztlan.net/salvatruchas_vs_minutemen.htm


47 posted on 03/02/2005 11:15:27 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: hushpad

We've written too and aren't giving any more $$ until they handle judicial nominees.


48 posted on 03/02/2005 11:15:46 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

We've written too and aren't giving any more $$ until they handle judicial nominees.<<

Terrific!

I wonder if something "formal" can be started. A letter perhaps stating what we expect, and how much we will no longer spend..with signatures attached?

I am hoping to make some impact by involving several of my friends here locally. Rather than individual letters that could be overlooked, one large one with the dolloras they will loose given as a total on the bottom would have impact.

I cant write it. I'm no good at that!



49 posted on 03/02/2005 11:28:04 AM PST by hushpad
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To: NewRomeTacitus; janetgreen; Marine Inspector; occutegirl; sasafras; All

Be sure to see post 47.


50 posted on 03/02/2005 11:32:55 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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