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Bob Barr:The [Republican] Revolution Sputters
bobbarr.org ^ | 3-1-2005 | Bob Barr

Posted on 03/02/2005 11:27:09 AM PST by jmc813

In 1994, I packed my suitcase and went to Washington with dreams of changing the world. For the class of 55 GOP freshmen elected that year, the unifying goal was to bring fiscal discipline to the federal government.

For a time, that dream seemed achievable. We balanced the budget within just a few years, reformed welfare, and brought new levels of efficiency to Congress and to many agencies in Washington's byzantine bureaucracy.

Oh, what a difference a decade makes.

Here we are in 2005. Like an out of control consumer who cuts up his credit cards, pays off his debt, and immediately digs a new, deeper hole, the federal government is back in the red - big time. We're spending on everything from B-2 bombers to Viagra for Medicare recipients to indoor rainforests in Iowa.

The deficit is back with a vengeance, Social Security is slowly going bankrupt. And, once again, we're leaving our kids to pay the bill.

So, what happened to those class of '94 revolutionaries? Like me, many are now doing something else. Even the jefe maximo of the Republican revolution, Newt Gingrich, is spending his time on the speaking and consulting circuit. Official Washington has no appetite for change, so it's no surprise many of us don't work there anymore.

Other budget cutters from that class of '94 now show signs of becoming budget busters, according to a recent analysis by the National Taxpayers Union. Instead of fighting the red ink, they're seeing how much deficit spending they can direct toward their districts.

In a sense, it's hard to blame them. Playing outsider on bill after bill gets you little more than sleepless nights, bad hometown press, retribution from party leaders, difficult re-election battles and fewer lucrative job offers when you leave Congress.

The key problem is that many in Congress think of themselves as representatives but rarely as statesmen. The only way to survive over the long term is to cater to the wishes of their constituencies. And the American public has sent them the same, clear message they've been sending for generations: Open the spending tap as wide as possible, consequences (and rhetoric to the contrary) be damned.

What are the consequences? The simple fact is that if you're a taxpayer under the age of about 40, you're getting the worst financial deal that any generation of Americans has ever received from the government. Your taxes are high now, and they're only going to get higher. Your parents and grandparents will benefit from government-funded health care and retirement stipends, and you'll be left to fend for yourself. The high level of services the government currently provides will drop off as revenues decrease and spending rises. Fiscally, it's the equivalent of being the designated driver and still picking up the bar tab.

If the next generation of Americans wants to change this situation, there are at least three things they have to do. First, get involved in politics as a voter and, more importantly, as an activist. So long as our system is dominated by voters who drive late-model Cadillacs, get a 15 percent senior's discount at Shoney's and never miss an election, it's their interests that are going to get attention, not yours.

Second, don't let your opinions about a single divisive social issue - whether it's gun control, abortion or gay marriage - blind you to the reality that your pocket is being picked no matter what your ideology.

And finally, don't become so wedded to a party label that it obscures the fact that big spenders in Washington spend hugely regardless of party label.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bobbarr; gop; taxes
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1 posted on 03/02/2005 11:27:09 AM PST by jmc813
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To: qam1

This might be appropriate for your GenX ping list.


2 posted on 03/02/2005 11:29:03 AM PST by jmc813 (PLAYBOY ISN'T PORN;YES,PLAYBOY ID PORN ... ONLY PHOTOGRAPHED PORN IS PORN)
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To: jmc813

I don't like Bob Barr. He has a few points but for the most part he's just seems to be a big, loud troublemaker.


3 posted on 03/02/2005 11:29:39 AM PST by No Dems 2004
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To: jmc813

Barr would have alot more credibility if he hadn't become a paid ACLU prostitute upon leaving Congress.


4 posted on 03/02/2005 11:30:19 AM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: jmc813

BTTT


5 posted on 03/02/2005 11:30:34 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: jmc813

Bob Barr, you got beat in an election by a weak opponent. Go STFU please.


6 posted on 03/02/2005 11:30:54 AM PST by pissant
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To: jmc813

I am suprised given the last paragraph this is even allowed on FR.

Of course the night in young!


7 posted on 03/02/2005 11:31:51 AM PST by Area51 (Illegal Immigration: 20 Million Mexicans can't be wrong.)
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To: pissant

So all you guys posting above me are just fine with Big Stupid Republican Government's explosive spending and record deficits?


8 posted on 03/02/2005 11:34:20 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: pissant

Why should he shut the eff up? Because he's right?


9 posted on 03/02/2005 11:34:26 AM PST by Archangelsk (There is nothing more cowardly than a keyboard warrior.)
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To: jmc813
"The high level of services the government currently provides will drop off as revenues decrease "

Revenues are decreasing? Why didn't I get that memo?

10 posted on 03/02/2005 11:34:52 AM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Archangelsk

No, because he's a former politician who has no standing. Maybe we should ask Tom Foley, Bob Packwood, and Jimmuh Carter what they think.


11 posted on 03/02/2005 11:37:20 AM PST by pissant
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To: jmc813

Music to Hillary's ears.


12 posted on 03/02/2005 11:37:32 AM PST by rhombus
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To: pissant

He got beat because of redistricting. Bob is a good man of strong, constitutionalist principles. His absence from Congress is the country's loss.


13 posted on 03/02/2005 11:37:34 AM PST by karnage
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To: Area51

Is it always dark where you are?


14 posted on 03/02/2005 11:37:49 AM PST by Gumption (I'm waiting until the time is right.)
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To: jmc813
If Bob Barr is so smart, why wasn't he reelected?

</sarcasm>

15 posted on 03/02/2005 11:38:36 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: jmc813
Barr is now a spokesman for ACLU........

IMO, that means he has NO credibility at all. NONE

16 posted on 03/02/2005 11:41:08 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: Hank Rearden

The deficit would be negligible if:

a) Bush did not inherit a Clinton recession
b) Bush did not inherit the Dot-com bubble burst
c) Bush did not inherit a series of corporate scandals/bankruptcies
d) 9-11 did not crush the economy
e) We did not have to fight a multi-front war against the terror scum.

As it is with all this baggage, the revenue post Bush Tax cut has increased quite nicely.


17 posted on 03/02/2005 11:42:03 AM PST by pissant
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To: karnage

I disagree


18 posted on 03/02/2005 11:42:26 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

"The deficit would be negligible if:

a) Bush did not inherit a Clinton recession
b) Bush did not inherit the Dot-com bubble burst
c) Bush did not inherit a series of corporate scandals/bankruptcies
d) 9-11 did not crush the economy
e) We did not have to fight a multi-front war against the terror scum.

As it is with all this baggage, the revenue post Bush Tax cut has increased quite nicely."

Yes, I agree.

I think if you improve the economay by lowering corporate taxes the revenues you bring in offsets some of the spending.

Allot of unforseen things


19 posted on 03/02/2005 11:46:04 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Archangelsk
Of course he's right. The honest objective folks among us must acknowledge the truth that "...your pocket is being picked no matter what your ideology."
20 posted on 03/02/2005 11:46:13 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: jmc813

Ditto that!


21 posted on 03/02/2005 11:46:38 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Hank Rearden

We're at war which I consider somewhat of an exception to fiscal discipline.


22 posted on 03/02/2005 11:48:13 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: pissant

f) We (the collective we) could actually get serious about cutting social spending.


23 posted on 03/02/2005 11:48:46 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Archangelsk

"Why should he shut the eff up? Because he's right?"


With many posters here, the GOP can do no wrong, which is exactly what Bob is warning against - blind adulation based on party, rather than ideology.

And yes - Barr is right here.


24 posted on 03/02/2005 11:49:17 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

I agree with your item f!!


25 posted on 03/02/2005 11:49:35 AM PST by pissant
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To: jmc813

That's right, Bob, you don't work in Washington anymore. You and your friends at the ACLU spend your time making it as difficult as possible for the president and Republicans to achieve anything. Nice work.


26 posted on 03/02/2005 11:49:37 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: karnage

"His absence from Congress is the country's loss."


As this article illustrates.


27 posted on 03/02/2005 11:49:40 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: No Dems 2004

I really don't think taxes are that high. In international and historical comparisons, taxes are rather low.

But, they will probably go up again.


28 posted on 03/02/2005 11:49:49 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Patriotism: you love your own people first; Nationalism, you hate people other than your own first.)
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To: jmc813
1998:
Bob Barr: Clinton should be impeached.

FreeRepublic: Yay! Bob Barr is teh man! Barr PWNED U Clinton!
(FreeRepublic hands Bob Barr a totally 31337 award.)

2005:
Bob Barr: The Emperor has no clothes.

FreeRepublic: Unnngh! STFU, Newb!! Bob Barr is teh sUx0r!!

Spiff: <---Rolls eyes.

29 posted on 03/02/2005 11:50:40 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: pissant

"a) Bush did not inherit a Clinton recession
b) Bush did not inherit the Dot-com bubble burst
c) Bush did not inherit a series of corporate scandals/bankruptcies
d) 9-11 did not crush the economy
e) We did not have to fight a multi-front war against the terror scum."


Where's the reason for Bush's insidious Medicare package increases that now allow for us taxpayers to subsidize Viagra?


30 posted on 03/02/2005 11:50:49 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: blaquebyrd

"The honest objective folks among us must acknowledge the truth that "...your pocket is being picked no matter what your ideology.""


Key word there is 'objective'


31 posted on 03/02/2005 11:51:47 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: mlc9852

I agree.

The problem is...many people, including some posters on FR, don't understand we are at war.

It is easy to forget. But the US military is doing a lot around the globe that we just don't read about each day. And it costs money.


32 posted on 03/02/2005 11:52:14 AM PST by rlmorel (Teresa Heinz-Kerry, better known as Kerry's "Noisy Two Legged ATM")
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To: GOP_1900AD

"f) We (the collective we) could actually get serious about cutting social spending."



A vote for a Republican USED to accomplish that. Alas, there are few fiscal conservatives left in this Admin.


33 posted on 03/02/2005 11:52:52 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: jmc813
Bobby is right in this piece.. course going to work for the ACLU kinda slimed him.. But when you live and work in slime, tobagonning down a slimey hill might be all you get for entertainment..

Newt pretty much exited stage right and said talk to the hand.. Could be these two Newt and Bobby.. admitted we have a government that exactly matches the Americas people.. when if not drugged or Shiite faced are looking for that government check.. and say "show ME the money" especically if over fifty.. say sixty..

In the early ninetys these two were fire breathers.. currently they just burn "farts" for a living... and I'm not amused..

34 posted on 03/02/2005 11:52:56 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Blzbba

He campaigned in 2000 on getting a prescription drug bill passed (after pubbies & dems had been jawboning it for 15 years). He did what he said he'd do. I assume you voted for Algore in protest.


35 posted on 03/02/2005 11:53:18 AM PST by pissant
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To: Blzbba
Where's the reason for Bush's insidious Medicare package increases that now allow for us taxpayers to subsidize Viagra?

Yes, and where is the necessity to increase non-defense discretionary spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave?

36 posted on 03/02/2005 11:54:23 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: rlmorel

"don't understand we are at war. "


I don't understand how the WOT (fought with increasingly lax security on our Mexican borders...but that's another story) caused the President to increase Medicare spending and force taxpayers to subsidize seniors using Viagra...How does using Viagra fight terrorism?



37 posted on 03/02/2005 11:55:32 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: rlmorel
The problem is...many people, including some posters on FR, don't understand we are at war. It is easy to forget. But the US military is doing a lot around the globe that we just don't read about each day. And it costs money.

Yes, and that line item comes under the defense part of the budget. Now, why is the non-defense discretionary spending portion of the budget the largest that it has ever been? Hmmmm?

38 posted on 03/02/2005 11:55:38 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: pissant
He campaigned in 2000 on getting a prescription drug bill passed (after pubbies & dems had been jawboning it for 15 years). He did what he said he'd do. I assume you voted for Algore in protest.

I don't remember him campaigning on the promise that he would expand government more than anyone since Lyndon Johnson. But that is what he's done.

39 posted on 03/02/2005 11:56:54 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff

"Yes, and where is the necessity to increase non-defense discretionary spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave?"


Exactly! You'll probably have to explain to the war-on-terror crowd that not all of Bush's increased spending has anything to do with the WOT. They seem to want to tie every single item of pork to fighting terrorism.


40 posted on 03/02/2005 11:56:58 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: jmc813

Bob Barr is dead on accurate. The Republican at any cost crowd here can say what they want about him, but that doesn't make him an LESS accurate.

I'm not a republican first. I AM an American First, I AM a Conservative Second and if the Republican Party leaves MY position of smaller government and more fiscal responsibiity, for more Tax and Spend, then to hell with them too! They are no better than those people on the other side of the Aisle.

When you're being robbed at gunpoint, it doesn't make a hill of beans difference if the man who is robbing you has an R or a D by his name.

It's STILL strong armed robbery.


41 posted on 03/02/2005 11:57:33 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (A Patriot must always be willing to defend his Country against his Government)
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To: Spiff

I assume you thought the prescription drug bill would be cheap?


42 posted on 03/02/2005 11:57:54 AM PST by pissant
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43 posted on 03/02/2005 11:57:57 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: pissant

"He campaigned in 2000 on getting a prescription drug bill passed (after pubbies & dems had been jawboning it for 15 years). He did what he said he'd do."


He also threatened to fire the budgeting office director who correctly predicted that the cost of this insidious Socialism entitlement was going to be more like $700 Billion, rather than the outright-lie number of $350 billion that Bush gave.

I voted for Bush in 2000 but not in 2004 (no, not that jackass Kerry either). I'm tired of having our country run by a fiscal liberal.

And what's a conservative like you doing supporting the increase of a Nanny Gov't entitlement program?!


44 posted on 03/02/2005 11:59:12 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

" I AM an American First, I AM a Conservative Second and if the Republican Party leaves MY position of smaller government and more fiscal responsibiity, for more Tax and Spend, then to hell with them too! "


{applause}


45 posted on 03/02/2005 12:00:54 PM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: mlc9852
We're at war which I consider somewhat of an exception to fiscal discipline.

I'm getting pretty damn tired of hearing this "we're at war" nonsense in a feeble attempt to rationalize Republican gross fiscal irresponsibility.

How much of the $2.57 TRILLION budget (not counting another $400 Billion, or more, in deficits) is for the war? Is there nothing else in that multi-TRILLION-dollar budget that can be cut?

How about Welfare Farming? Hardon pills for greedy geezers?

Is every penny essential to defeating terrorism? Don't make me laugh.

46 posted on 03/02/2005 12:01:08 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: pissant; Spiff

"I assume you thought the prescription drug bill would be cheap?"


No, I didn't believe Bush's 100% under-estimate (Bush says $340 Billion - actual number is over $700 Billion and counting). I also never supported an increase in a socialist entitlement program in the first place. Why do you, as a conservative, support such blatant socialism?


47 posted on 03/02/2005 12:02:22 PM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: pissant
He did not campaign on the welfare roll busting Guest Worker Program in 2004, yet it's high on his priority list despite the objections of the majority of law abiding Americans.
48 posted on 03/02/2005 12:02:29 PM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: hosepipe
"...course going to work for the ACLU kinda slimed him"

I like to think of him as an infilltrator. :)

49 posted on 03/02/2005 12:04:19 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Hank Rearden

'Hardon pills for greedy geezers?"


Apparently, erect seniors will be drafted to help fight terrorism?

Stunningly, Bush actually threatened to VETO a cut in Medicare spending last week. Imagine that - his first-ever veto as a President would've been a veto of a CUT in federal spending.

At least Clintax never gave the illusion of being a conservative.


50 posted on 03/02/2005 12:05:19 PM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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