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China shuts down 47,000 'harmful' internet cafes
The Scotsman ^ | 3/3/05

Posted on 03/03/2005 4:38:06 AM PST by Crackingham

China has closed 47,000 internet cafes in a campaign aimed at creating a more "wholesome environment" for children.

The country’s leaders encourage internet use for business and education, but have expressed growing concern that it gives children access to violent or sexually explicit material, and have tried to block online criticism of their Communist rule.

The cafes closed in the crackdown had been "admitting minors and engaged in dissemination of harmful cultural information", the Communist Party newspaper People’s Daily said on its website.

About 21,000 of the closed cafes might be allowed to reopen after making unspecified changes. It said the business licences of 2131 were revoked.

China has the world’s second-largest number of internet users after the United States, with 87 million people online.

The government said in October that it had detained 445 people for operating websites deemed pornographic, and fined internet cafe operators a total of 100 million yuan (£6.2 million) for letting children play violent games.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; campaignfinance; china; clintondream; freedom; freedominchina; freespeech; internet; internetcafes; mccainfeingold; technology; totalitarianism; walmartsupplier
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1 posted on 03/03/2005 4:38:07 AM PST by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

Well, people should have the freedom to look at whatever the hell they want on the internet, but I agree with preventing children from looking at sexually explicit and violent material (I know in China "explicit" also means anti-communist propoganda). At least they have half-good intentions with regard to censorship.


2 posted on 03/03/2005 4:43:52 AM PST by One Proud Son
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To: Crackingham

Oh sure, and this is the same COMMUNIST China that thinks there should be GLOBAL control of the Internet, because they think the U.S. is too dominant.

The U.S. Government may not have a perfect track record, but they've never shut down 47,000 websites or censored access as do the Imperial Masters of Beijing.


3 posted on 03/03/2005 4:44:13 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Crackingham

Some of the Chinese who are using the Internet Cafe's are writing BLOGS which are anti-current-government and tell what's really going on. Many are in Chinese. Some add photos so you can see what's going on.

Don't ask me to give you any blog-names, though, I was surfing and didn't save any of them.

Highly Opinionated and glad I live in the USofA.


4 posted on 03/03/2005 4:44:21 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Islam would allow Muslims to convert to other religions if they weren't afraid of TRUTH!)
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To: One Proud Son
At least they have half-good intentions with regard to censorship.

Road.

Hell.

Good Intentions.

"It's for the CHILLLLDREN!!!"
5 posted on 03/03/2005 4:45:37 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Crackingham

China's own FCC. The "decency" squads should be very pleased.


6 posted on 03/03/2005 4:47:02 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Crackingham
"China has closed 47,000 internet cafes in a campaign aimed at creating a more "wholesome environment" for children..."

Baloney! They want a wholesome enviornment for the Communist Party to enforce iron control on the people.

They also want to have international control of the Internet as a whole.

China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks global control

All of these bleatings are efforts to maintain political control, which the free exchange of information on the internet works against.

7 posted on 03/03/2005 4:47:29 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: One Proud Son

Move to China.


8 posted on 03/03/2005 4:48:55 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: rhombus
"China's own FCC. The "decency" squads should be very pleased."

Decency squads in China can also be read as "bullet in the head" squads.

9 posted on 03/03/2005 4:49:03 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Crackingham

bump


10 posted on 03/03/2005 4:51:27 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Decency squads in China can also be read as "bullet in the head" squads.

Well as pointed out, it's "for the children". ;-)

11 posted on 03/03/2005 4:54:46 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Crackingham

Free trade


12 posted on 03/03/2005 5:00:19 AM PST by nextthunder
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To: Anti-Bubba182
All of these bleatings are efforts to maintain political control, which the free exchange of information on the internet works against.
Capitalism can thrive for a time under a totalitarian system, but only for a time. Just look at France...
13 posted on 03/03/2005 5:01:24 AM PST by nicollo
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To: Crackingham

China's Patriot Act.


14 posted on 03/03/2005 5:03:19 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Soft porn is readily available on the Internet in China (at least that's what I'm told). What they're really after is websites providing information that could undermine Communist party rule.

Pretending to go after pornography for the sake of "the children" is a ruse for censoring anything or anyone who is a threat to the government.

15 posted on 03/03/2005 5:11:27 AM PST by wai-ming
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To: Crackingham
China shuts down 47,000 'harmful' internet cafes

This is the kind of thing Hillary will want to do.

16 posted on 03/03/2005 5:12:39 AM PST by beyond the sea (Barbara Boxer is Barbra Streisand on peyote .....)
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dang I went on a tour of china a few years ago, I posted to FR from Suzhou...where Marco Polo hung out for a while.

The town also had $1 DVDs...complete with the covers. However, for all the movies, they had just copied and pasted snoyosi from random movies...the cover art was right, but the descriptions were for other movies!


17 posted on 03/03/2005 5:13:13 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: One Proud Son

That's what they're SAYING...but, we know the true reasons for this...they don't want their people reading about the Regime from "non-approved" sources.


18 posted on 03/03/2005 5:14:26 AM PST by Guillermo (Abajo fidel: End the Cuban Trade Embargo)
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To: One Proud Son
yeah, its all about the "chillllllllllllldren"

please

19 posted on 03/03/2005 5:17:39 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Crackingham
It appears China is working overtime to maintain control...methinks it's just a matter of time before this very, very large house of cards comes (peacefully) crashing down.

Reunification of Tiawan and China? Sure, once they're both democracies and their respective citizens vote for it.

Might as well add red China to the end of the line of dominos.

I'd love to hear PRESIDENT Bush call for a democratic China...I bet he talks about it behind closed doors often and alot. Probably waiting for the Mideast to cool off before he drops this bomb..

20 posted on 03/03/2005 5:26:01 AM PST by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Tom Daschle is deeply saddened... Remember him? Bahahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: nicollo
It really isn't capitalism with slave labor. As soon as Chinese labor wises up to how bad they are getting screwed which would come quicker with a free internet. They are going to demand more wages, more freedom and control over their destiny.
21 posted on 03/03/2005 5:26:27 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: One Proud Son

Actually, their intentions are to keep the people from being free.
China has no freedom to speak of in actuality, yet some would have us believe they are more free than us.
They are trying to keep people from getting it in their heads to overthrow the current government in China.
The idea of freedom is contagious, and their government knows this.
Their intentions are not even 'half' good.


22 posted on 03/03/2005 5:29:57 AM PST by Darksheare (Tagline error. Expected file 'zot.class' not present. Contact site Admin.)
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To: Mad Mammoth

Bullpuckey.

Chinse governments's greatest fear: its own population.

They want nothing but the party line on their internet sites; the truth hurts.


23 posted on 03/03/2005 5:32:54 AM PST by .44 Special (Death to Traitors!)
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To: One Proud Son
There is NO good intention where censorship by the state is concerned.

If the concern was really pornography, they could require the internet cafes to check indentification and allow those underage to use only computers that had (readily available here) parental-type controls that block porn sites.

It is a parent's perogative to control what their children read and/or surf, not the state's. Time, place and manner restrictions (i.e. not on prime time broadcast, cable only) are fine, censorship is not.

Failure to understand this point makes one an authoritarian. No thanks.

24 posted on 03/03/2005 5:38:18 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: One Proud Son
"At least they have half-good intentions with regard to censorship."

Tell that to Chinese Christians and the Falun Gong movement.

25 posted on 03/03/2005 5:42:43 AM PST by Sam's Army (No witty taglines currently come to mind)
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To: .44 Special

Read post 2.


26 posted on 03/03/2005 5:47:33 AM PST by Darksheare (Tagline error. Expected file 'zot.class' not present. Contact site Admin.)
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To: Darksheare

You're right about some people laying out the propaganda that China is free.

The MSM and globalists like to grind out the spin that the Chinese people are "free" because they have a choice of buying a cell phone from four different manufacturers. That's not freedom; it's market choice. Diners in Nazi Germany, I'm sure, could order their weiner schnitzel baked one of four different ways.

I was amazed how ignorant Chinese students are of their history. I showed them a copy of the Tao Te Ching wrtitten in Chinese. They were amazed by the book. None had seen it before. I don't know if it's true for the Chinese citizen in general, but for this group they had no clue of their history before communism.


27 posted on 03/03/2005 5:48:50 AM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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To: sergeantdave

Tiannemen(spelling?) Square was by students demanding freedom.
And they were crushed.
All I have to say to get the "China is free" idiots to turn red and scream is mention that incident.
Quite telling actually.

China is pretty much taught that their history matters oly if it relates to communism.
Everything before Mao's 'long march' isn't 'important to know.'
Or it at least appears that way.


28 posted on 03/03/2005 5:52:33 AM PST by Darksheare (Tagline error. Expected file 'zot.class' not present. Contact site Admin.)
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To: CatoRenasci
There is NO good intention where censorship by the state is concerned.

Bull. Child porn is censored.

It is a parent's perogative to control what their children read and/or surf, not the state's.

The State should not allow people to push illegal material at children. Parents shouldn't have to raise their kids in a closet just because perverts want unfettered access to children.

29 posted on 03/03/2005 5:52:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

This is China we're talking about, where freedom doesn't exist.
See post 2.


30 posted on 03/03/2005 5:54:28 AM PST by Darksheare (Tagline error. Expected file 'zot.class' not present. Contact site Admin.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

The UN was preparing to do exactly this in the 80's.
It was the last straw that made The Gipper pull us out of UNESCO.


31 posted on 03/03/2005 5:59:15 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

are you related to Pegleg McFrog ?


32 posted on 03/03/2005 6:05:03 AM PST by kingattax
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To: One Proud Son
They shut down cafes ... engaged in dissemination of harmful cultural information...

What a broad statement. Hmm...

33 posted on 03/03/2005 6:07:11 AM PST by TaxRelief (Support the Troops Rally, Fayetteville, NC -- March 19, 2005)
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To: Darksheare
Tiananmen Square was by students demanding freedom. And they were crushed. All I have to say to get the "China is free" idiots to turn red and scream is mention that incident. Quite telling actually.

Tiananmen was organized without the aid of the internet or celluar phones and tens of thousands protested. Just imagine how widespread and organized similar demonstrations could be what's available now? That's what the Chines Politburea fears.

34 posted on 03/03/2005 6:12:02 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: Mr. Mulliner

ping


35 posted on 03/03/2005 6:12:54 AM PST by kayak (Have you prayed for your President today?)
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I thought I noticed the Hyjal server in World of Warcraft was a little less crowded. This must be the reason.


36 posted on 03/03/2005 6:16:13 AM PST by vollmond (Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails.)
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To: jriemer

Exactly the point.
Chat rooms are restricted over there if I recall correctly.
Methods of organizing are kept under government supervision.
If a group could begin a 'counter-revolution' the repressive government would be out on their keysters.


37 posted on 03/03/2005 6:16:31 AM PST by Darksheare (Tagline error. Expected file 'zot.class' not present. Contact site Admin.)
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To: Crackingham
"creating a more "wholesome environment" for children"

Std appeall of the stinkin' communists.

38 posted on 03/03/2005 6:41:54 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Crackingham

Liberals LOVE China, so I wonder if they will also support this censorshop attempt.


39 posted on 03/03/2005 6:45:24 AM PST by shellshocked
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To: Crackingham

"...aimed at creating a more "wholesome environment" for children."

Hog wash


40 posted on 03/03/2005 6:47:56 AM PST by George from New England
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To: wai-ming

You are correct. When I lived in China, little 14-year-olds constantly bragged about how easy it was to access hard porn. It's not about the morals at all.


41 posted on 03/03/2005 7:04:47 AM PST by srm913
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To: One Proud Son

If China cared about its children, then it wouldn't force abortions and allow the situation which is shaping up where there are too many men and not enough women.


42 posted on 03/03/2005 7:20:40 AM PST by twigs
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To: twigs

Better short porn and gambling stocks pronto!


43 posted on 03/03/2005 7:23:19 AM PST by CT CONSERVATIVE (Fight Crime: Shoot Back)
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To: Crackingham

If the Red commies were concerned about children accessing "porn" they would have installed filters by now. All about mind control...nothing more.


44 posted on 03/03/2005 7:32:05 AM PST by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: Crackingham
The hidden aspect of this story is how US companies like Google and Yahoo are falling all over themselves to comply with Beijing's restrictions, even to the point of inventing new filters aimed at such nasty, subversive sites like those discussing meditation and old ladies stretching in public parks.
45 posted on 03/03/2005 7:40:17 AM PST by BroncosFan ("It's worse than a crime - it's a mistake." Talleyrand.)
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To: Crackingham
"admitting minors and engaged in dissemination of harmful cultural information", the Communist Party newspaper People’s Daily said on its website.

I think we know what is going on here.....

China has a problem, and it is not going to get better. They will just move it underground. People will be free.

46 posted on 03/03/2005 7:43:42 AM PST by Cold Heat (FR is still a good place to get the news and slap around an idiot from time to time.)
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

Another insight into the ChiComs control problems, the Big Domino may be tilting.


47 posted on 03/03/2005 7:55:22 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: BroncosFan; jriemer

It is sad how many companies have kissed the CCP's butts on the issue. Take a look at jriemer's post (28) - they nailed it when it comes for the real reason the party fears a free internet.


48 posted on 03/03/2005 7:56:35 AM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Crackingham
I'm all for a wholesome environment./sarcasm


49 posted on 03/03/2005 7:56:41 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: AppyPappy
Sorry. I disagree and think you are failing to make distinctions necessary to clarify the issues.

Child porn is illegal because it can only be made using children, with whom sexual activity is illegal because the children are deemed unable to meaningfully consent.

(I'm not defending any pornography morally, and am all for boycotting and other non-state ways of dealing with pornographers).

As for your second point, pushing illegal material at children, that is covered under the ruberic of "time, place, and manner" restrictions, which I support.

There is no need to raise your children in a closet without actual state censorship.

50 posted on 03/03/2005 8:17:02 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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