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Neighbor, other man charged in slaying of Jersey City family
PhillyBurbs ^

Posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:06 PM PST by Selkie

By WAYNE PARRY The Associated Press

JERSEY CITY, N.J. - The upstairs neighbor of an Egyptian Christian family found slain in their home in January was charged Friday, along with another man, in the murders.

Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above Hossam Armanious and his family, pleaded not guilty to four counts of felony murder. Hamilton Sanchez, 30, faces the same charges and also pleaded not guilty.

Sanchez during a court hearing began crying as he stood before a judge, his hands cuffed behind his back.

"I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people," Sanchez said, as he was led from the courtroom. McDonald stared at the floor during the hearing.

Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses, were ordered held on $10 million cash bail.

Authorities said Armanious, 47; his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children - Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8 - were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; armanious; copticchristian; cryingwolf; filthysanchez; hossamarmanious; islam; jerseycity; murder; muslim; robbery
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Well I'm relieved that the killers have apparently been caught. May the Armanious family Rest in Peace and may their family find some consolation in their murderers being caught and brought to justice for the slayings.

PAX

1 posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:08 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie
"I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people,"
I didn't kill anybody, Sanchez. sheesh.
2 posted on 03/04/2005 2:15:55 PM PST by evets (God bless President Bush and VP Cheney)
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To: oceanview; Cindy; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; ariamne; Proud Infidel; dennisw; ...

Ping


3 posted on 03/04/2005 2:17:47 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie

I'm not believing this one.


4 posted on 03/04/2005 2:20:14 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Selkie
So then what all that about the family being stalked by (Islamo) person or persons they encountered in while in an Internet chatroom?

I haven't kept up with this case, but robbery as motive that resulted in such an heinous crime doesn't seem to fit.
5 posted on 03/04/2005 2:21:57 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Selkie
......Well I'm relieved that the 'killers' have apparently been caught.......

Yep.

6 posted on 03/04/2005 2:23:12 PM PST by maestro
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To: evets

Maybe he's jus' tellin' da m'f***in' troof.


7 posted on 03/04/2005 2:23:25 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: TomGuy
I haven't kept up with this case, but robbery as motive that resulted in such an heinous crime doesn't seem to fit.

You'd be surprised what junkie ex-cons are willing to do to get drug money.

8 posted on 03/04/2005 2:23:35 PM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: King Prout

I just saw the killers on the local news.
Typical J.C. scary pondscum. Jersey City, particularly the Heights, is rife w/ thugs like that.
>>>>>


The Bergen County Record reports 25-year-old ex-convict Edward McDonald is one of the two people in custody. Investigators interrogated McDonald for much of the day yesterday and raided his apartment.
McDonald was released from federal prison in April 2004 and spent time in a halfway house before moving into the second-floor apartment of the Armanious' two-family home with his girlfriend, according to an unidentified cousin of McDonald cited by the paper. The couple was living there when the slayings occurred but moved out about a month ago.

"He didn't live there too long," the cousin said, according to The Record. The Armaniouses "asked them to move out. ... [Torres] told me she was surprised that she didn't hear anything during the murders."


9 posted on 03/04/2005 2:24:06 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie

I am just not believing this one.


10 posted on 03/04/2005 2:26:16 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: TexasCowboy; Calpernia; Velveeta; WestCoastGal; DAVEY CROCKETT

Ping


11 posted on 03/04/2005 2:27:07 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Selkie

Sorry, but this smacks of a 'round up the usual suspects' cover-up by the authorities.

I have it from a Copt who attends our Eastern Orthodox (Rum, that is, for folks in the know about Christianity in the Middle East) mission when he doesn't make the 2.5 hour trek to the nearest Coptic church, that the Coptic community in NJ know who the killers are. Evidently the Armanious family were instrumental in the conversion of an Egyptian woman from Islam to Christianity, and shortly after the murders all of her still-Muslim relatives returned to Egypt.

The lack of forced entry was because the killers convinced the Armanious's that they were interested in a Bible study, and were welcomed into the home.


12 posted on 03/04/2005 2:31:34 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will understand. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David

But one of them was using the dead father's ATM card.


13 posted on 03/04/2005 2:33:16 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Selkie; USF; Former Dodger; swordfish71
Thank you for the ping Selkie.

Interesting turn of events.

It will be interesting to get the "facts" of the case.
14 posted on 03/04/2005 2:35:46 PM PST by jan in Colorado ("For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie" Romans 1:25a)
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To: King Prout

I don't buy it either.


15 posted on 03/04/2005 2:35:54 PM PST by bboop
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To: Selkie
If it was a drug robbery, then there should have been lots of evidence left behind, fingerprints and the like. IIRC from the first reports, the killings seemed awfully meticulous for a couple of wild druggies.

OTOH, maybe, these are the two guys who did OJ's wife and Vince Foster.

16 posted on 03/04/2005 2:36:50 PM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Would Harm America!")
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To: TomGuy

really smell a rat here...


17 posted on 03/04/2005 2:37:36 PM PST by Toidylop
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To: Selkie

I want to believe it, I hope it's true. It would be a great relief to everyone to know that the murder of this family wasn't motivated by some evil cleric's fatwa against perceived enemies of islam.
However, and I guess you all knew this was coming, islam can't accuse anyone of bigotry as the result of speculation that the crime may have been 'religiously' motivated. Their numerous threats based upon the koranic requirement that all infidels should die or don't deserve to live, is what pointed the finger straight at them. Not us.
It's time for islam to do a little house-cleaning in the West and remove the clerics who preach 'death to the infidel' and stop telling their followers that everyone other than a muslim is a dirty kuffar.


18 posted on 03/04/2005 2:38:29 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Shermy; The_Reader_David
This will be a most interesting trial. If these guys are really the scum who did it, then I'll have been wrong big-time, along with a lot of other people. If the bodies were really lying there three days before they were found though, it's possible that these dirtbags got in there after they were killed by someone else, and decided to take advantage and steal their ATM card and not report the murders to the police.

Admittedly, having the ATM card certainly looks bad for them though. It'll be interesting to see if there's any kind of real forensic evidence linking them to the murders.

19 posted on 03/04/2005 2:41:49 PM PST by jpl (Islam is a religion of peace, as in "Rest in Peace".)
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To: Selkie

"They was dead when we got there; we just took their stuff!"


20 posted on 03/04/2005 2:45:39 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: jpl

Yeah, like the weapon(s). How did they get the PIN, though? Weren't some of the victims tortured?


21 posted on 03/04/2005 2:45:49 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: The_Reader_David

Look, the King family is convinced Martin Luther King was killed by a giant conspiracy going to the top of the US Government, not by a lone dumb redneck.


People from the Coptic community were shocked and horrified by this crime and they drew some comfort from the idea they were religious martyrs, which is still based on very thin evidence. It doesn't make them right.


22 posted on 03/04/2005 2:46:37 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Fred Nerks

However, and I guess you all knew this was coming, islam can't accuse anyone of bigotry as the result of speculation that the crime may have been 'religiously' motivated. Their numerous threats based upon the koranic requirement that all infidels should die or don't deserve to live, is what pointed the finger straight at them. Not us. >>>

It nauseates me no end that CAIR PAID for a press release announcing that the murders were deemed no relation to Islam.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-04-2005/0003119325&EDATE=


23 posted on 03/04/2005 2:48:34 PM PST by Selkie
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To: REDWOOD99

The 8 year old daughter was apparently tortured in order to elicit the passcode.


24 posted on 03/04/2005 2:49:22 PM PST by Selkie
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To: King Prout
RE: I'm not believing this one.

From the past: "Richard Jewell to get more than $500000 from NBC - January 3, 1997; FBI chief can't explain media leaks in Olympic bombing. . . . "

Literally just days before Richard Jewell was singled out I weighed the importance for the government of getting the bombing solved and stated confidently to anyone who would listen that the government would grab the first apparent "loner" off the street and charge him. Meanwhile it appears to me now that the government was chasing someone who disappeared into the wilderness. He was caught and charged months later. But the government needed someone immediately.

My instincts say the same today. These crimes are explosive.

Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses. . . .

Already in trouble with the law they are going to rob the downstairs neighbors?! Did they use the ATM card? Perhaps. Perhaps they took stuff after the murders downstairs.

25 posted on 03/04/2005 2:49:40 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

don't mistake me: I am under no illusions regarding whether criminals are stupid... they ARE.

but I am not buying this.
I'll need to see hard cold forensic evidence before i do.
I'll also need to see evidence completely exculpating their muslim opponents on the net.


26 posted on 03/04/2005 2:53:23 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Strategerist

The point is, they know the specific woman, that the Armanious's helped convert her, and they know her family fled the country. Could be coincidence, but I'd not bet on it.

Stealing from the dead sounds more like the MO of low-life drifters than an attempt to simulate a 'strike at the necks of the infidels' Islamic murder as a way to throw off suspicion.


27 posted on 03/04/2005 2:53:44 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will understand. . .)
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To: REDWOOD99

"How did they get the PIN, though?"

The father's wallet was turned out, so he could have had it there, I'm sure lots of people do that, even though they tell you not to.

However, the reason there was so much money available to be stolen was because they were doing some kind of refinancing and all that money was in the checking account. It seems like MAYBE the tenant could have known about that. In any event these were not wealthy people, they probably didn't often have large amounts of money in their bank account, so to think the Islamofacists killed them, and the tenant just stumbles on the bodies, takes the ATM card (rather than calling the police to report the murders!) and lucks into tens of thousands of dollars, well, that seems a tad too complicated and co-incidental to me.


28 posted on 03/04/2005 2:54:35 PM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: Shermy
Where does the report say that "one of them" was using the card??

I'd also like to know the source of this quote:
"DeFazio said that during the robbery Monica Armanious had managed to loosen the bonds with which she was bound and gagged and recognized McDonald as the upstairs tenant. McDonald killed her out of fear of being identified and Sanchez killed the other three people..."
Was one of the suspects keeping a diary?

29 posted on 03/04/2005 2:55:36 PM PST by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: Selkie

Drugs, torture, stolen ATM, use of stole ATM.... Maybe it was just a drug killing. It's not as "glamorous" as an Islamic hit but it has happened before.


30 posted on 03/04/2005 2:57:44 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: jocon307
"How did they get the PIN, though?" The father's wallet was turned out, so he could have had it there, I'm sure lots of people do that, even though they tell you not to.

Good point. Also, many, many people use their birthday as their PIN number, even though you shouldn't do that either (I know I do). I'm not sure if New Jersey driver's licenses show a person's Date of Birth, but my Virginia driver's license sure does!

31 posted on 03/04/2005 3:02:43 PM PST by jpl (Islam is a religion of peace, as in "Rest in Peace".)
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To: Selkie
This does not add up at all. No break-in and four people with throat slit do not point to this type of crime. The fact that it is two professional crooks makes me suspicious.
These two seem like fall guys. I am sceptical at present.
32 posted on 03/04/2005 3:04:01 PM PST by Marano NYC
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To: norton

Where does the report say that "one of them" was using the card??>.>

I just flipped thru 5 local news channels.
Apparently there is video of the alledged killers as they used the ATM card in a drive thru ATM.


Seems very damning.
This was apparently a robbery gone wrong.



They meant to rob, not kill the family.
The youngest daughter broke free at one point and saw one the killers, so then then proceeded to kill the whole family so they couldnt be identified.


33 posted on 03/04/2005 3:06:21 PM PST by Selkie
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To: norton

Where does the report say that "one of them" was using the card??>.>

I just flipped thru 5 local news channels.
Apparently there is video of the alledged killers as they used the ATM card in a drive thru ATM.


Seems very damning.
This was apparently a robbery gone wrong.



They meant to rob, not kill the family.
The youngest daughter broke free at one point and saw one the killers, so then then proceeded to kill the whole family so they couldnt be identified.


34 posted on 03/04/2005 3:06:21 PM PST by Selkie
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To: norton; jpl

Probably an inference from where the bodies lay, blood trails, etc.

As for the Muslim angle, it was certainly fed by his countrymen protesting that "Muslims" did it. Then the "neck wounds" were turned into some kind of Jihadist beheadings but it wasn't that - just stabs like other places in their bodies. I thought from the beginning this was drug fueled. Certainly the case isn't closed.


35 posted on 03/04/2005 3:06:45 PM PST by Shermy
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To: King Prout
RE: "I am not buying this."

I am not buying the story either. Not yet. I did not buy the Jewell story either. Never.

"I'll also need to see evidence completely exculpating their muslim opponents."

Me too.

36 posted on 03/04/2005 3:08:59 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: Shermy

The evening news says that Sanchez was equipped with a 9mm.....
Why not just shoot them excution style instead of the bloody work of stabbing ?


37 posted on 03/04/2005 3:12:15 PM PST by Selkie
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To: jocon307

takes the ATM card (rather than calling the police to report the murders!) >>>

Yeah but he was an ex-con and a former tenant, so he would not call the cops because he'd know he'd be the first suspect. (which he was)


39 posted on 03/04/2005 3:14:15 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie

Noise.


40 posted on 03/04/2005 3:14:55 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Selkie
No problem.

Robert Spencer will just invent some new "Muslim outrage" to post on Jihadwatch for his sheep.

That's what keeps them happy and buying books.

41 posted on 03/04/2005 3:16:11 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Jewell was never arrested or charged with anything, hence not that great of a parallel.


42 posted on 03/04/2005 3:18:12 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Shermy

Their wrists were also stabbed, so that disturbed many in the Coptic community.


43 posted on 03/04/2005 3:19:16 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Shermy

Silencer ?


44 posted on 03/04/2005 3:20:28 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Shermy

You forget that the Koranic injunction is 'strike at the necks of the infidels' not 'behead the infidels'. Theo vanGogh's murderer slit his throat, then stabbed him without bothering to try beheading him.


45 posted on 03/04/2005 3:21:02 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will understand. . .)
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To: Selkie

Is there a special significance to the wrists?


46 posted on 03/04/2005 3:21:54 PM PST by Shermy
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To: All
Alledged killers. Video here: http://www.wnbc.com/news/4252691/detail.html
47 posted on 03/04/2005 3:22:41 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Shermy

Because two of the family members had cross tats on their wrists.
I dont know for certain if there is also a muslim ritualistic killing significance or not.


48 posted on 03/04/2005 3:24:16 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie

http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_063073525.html

(1010 WINS) (JERSEY CITY) The upstairs neighbor of an Egyptian Christian family found slain in their home in January was charged Friday, along with another man, in the murders.

Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above Hossam Armanious and his family, pleaded not guilty to four counts of felony murder. Hamilton Sanchez, 30, faces the same charges and also pleaded not guilty.

Sanchez during a court hearing began crying as he stood before a judge, his hands cuffed behind his back.

"I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people," Sanchez said, as he was led from the courtroom. McDonald stared at the floor during the hearing.

Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses, were ordered held on $10 million cash bail.

Authorities said Armanious, 47; his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children -- Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8 -- were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14.

Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said the killings took place in the course of a robbery by the two men, who owed a large sum of money to a person whom DeFazio would not identify.

Police went to the Armanious home after relatives were unable to contact the family for several days. All four victims were found bound and gagged with puncture wounds to their throats.

DeFazio said that during the robbery Monica Armanious had managed to loosen the bonds with which she was bound and gagged and recognized McDonald as the upstairs tenant. McDonald killed her out of fear of being identified and Sanchez killed the other three people, DeFazio said.

McDonald was taken into custody Thursday and charged later that night. Sanchez was arrested Thursday night and charged Friday.

Developments in the slayings had intensified in recent days as authorities revealed that thousands of dollars had been withdrawn from Armanious' bank account using his ATM card in the days after the slayings.

McDonald's aunt, who would only identify herself by her first name, Marie, told The Star-Ledger of Newark that he was not involved in the slayings.

"He's innocent," she said in Friday's newspapers. "He's not that kind of person."

The slayings created tension between Christians and Muslims here and in northern New Jersey. The Armaniouses were Coptic Christians, and Hossam Armanious frequented Internet chat rooms, posting opinions under the user name "I Love Jesus."

Friends of the family speculated that he might have angered Muslims with those online posts, and many Coptics in New Jersey and elsewhere blamed Islamic extremists for the killings.

"I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: The motive for these murders was robbery. This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money," DeFazio said.


49 posted on 03/04/2005 3:24:22 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: The_Reader_David

I can tell you this, if they had been beheaded, which the world became familiar with Iraqi jihadi videos, yeah, I might have figured it religious. But murderers stabbing necks is nothing unique in American crime.


50 posted on 03/04/2005 3:26:47 PM PST by Shermy
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