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Neighbor, other man charged in slaying of Jersey City family
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Posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:06 PM PST by Selkie

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To: Fred Nerks
I wonder if the FBI is still involve...this whole thing is giving off smoke.

The authorities aren't telling the truth and I don't blame them. They are deflecting attention as best they can (not very well however).

There was a surplus of anger in this killing. Robbery is not the prime mover. Deep seated anger...either misdirected or accurately directed.

But anger is the key.

421 posted on 03/08/2005 6:17:11 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

"But anger is the key."

I'll try it in aussie-speak. Two drop-kicks with form, a history of dealing, they are tenants of a migrant family that is doing quite well financially, hard working, active in community affairs; the rent is high, they are both short of money and they hate immigrants. Of course they are angry, someone else has what they believe they deserve, a nice home and a family. Who did one of them owe money to? How desperate might he have been to repay a loan, what might the penalty have been for not settling this outstanding debt? Was the money owed to a drug supplier? Ouch!
Meanwhile the family is threatened by muslims on a website, the perps were I believe, regular visitors to the family, perhaps the father made the threats known to one of the perps and presto...what a perfect opportunity, we can rob them and sit tight, we don't have to run and draw attention to ourselves, the cops are going to blame you know who anyway...so the worse the bodies look, the less likelyhood there is that the murders will appear to have been part of a robbery. Hey, I could do this all day. I wish I had never heard of it. Let the cops have at it.


422 posted on 03/08/2005 6:44:13 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; USF
Freddie...you could be right. I don't know that kind of anger...the kind of anger the neighbor might have felt rather haphazardly toward his former landlord.

I can imagine it does exist. But (Occam's Razor), it just seems too damn convenient.

Could be...but my personal jury is still out.

423 posted on 03/08/2005 6:51:55 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

Mine too. But there's nothing haphazard about jealousy and envy. Neither about facing retribution for an unpaid debt to a 'wholesaler' ...


424 posted on 03/08/2005 7:07:32 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks
But a wholesaler of what...must be drugs...the brain must have been invaded...or emptied so that it could have been invaded by darker things.

The battering of faces beyond recognition. That takes time...that takes energy.

425 posted on 03/08/2005 7:21:02 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

"The battering of faces beyond recognition."

That worries me. It worries me because I don't know, offhand, just where that statement came from nor who made it.


426 posted on 03/08/2005 7:25:14 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks
OK Freddie...this isn't Dark Skies...he's asleep...this is Freckles the cat.

One of the daughters was said to have been recognized not by her face but by other means (body marks...tattoos).

Freckles, meow, indeed!

427 posted on 03/08/2005 7:28:33 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies; Fred Nerks
>>>But why would a robber inflict such violence on all members of the family.<<<

I wish I could give you an answer to that DS. This case doesn't make sense. When the facts come out, it still won't make sense. How do you make sense of the slaughter of a family in cold blood?

"But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived" 2 Timothy 3:13

The only answer I can come up with is evil!

428 posted on 03/08/2005 7:31:47 PM PST by jan in Colorado (The peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension,shall guard your hearts and your minds in Christ)
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To: Dark Skies

My cat, Rastus said to tell you that maybe the man who did it hated children. There are people like that...


429 posted on 03/08/2005 7:32:31 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Freckles says to Rastus...Baloney...Adults don't hate children ...they only hate themselves and their own childhoods. Odds point toward Islamic hatred.

Will be back after visit to litter box.

Freckles

430 posted on 03/08/2005 7:37:09 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

Actually you are right on the mark, a "simple"robbery would have been a lot neater-likely with no dead bodies

A druggie would be VERY quick and VERY dirty, with the pistol or other firearm muffled by a pillow, or less likely, a silencer. Druggie stuff is NOT thought out, but driven by the need to Get the moeny, eliminate any witnesses, and get the hell outta dodge. It strikes one as more than passing strange that the so-called suspects waited 3 days to use the ATM card--and then made no attempt whatsoever to hide their features Some places, namely the WaWa chain of convenience stores---rarely have cameras trained on the ATM machines. Druggies know that much--hide their features, and these did not do so.

THIS, OTOH, was PERSONAL. A point was being made for those willing to see and listen to heed. As of now, that lesson is not being heeded by many in the Jersey City prosecutors office.


431 posted on 03/08/2005 8:05:54 PM PST by swordfish71 (Tagline? What is "Tagline"?)
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S-Fish...a cut to the bone.

I would expect no less.

DS

432 posted on 03/08/2005 8:19:13 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies
I don't know that kind of anger...

The extreme passion... the hatred shown towards the victims is very troubling to me too.

It's pretty personal when you can feel the other end of the piece of metal you're holding twisting inside the body of a child.

Sick animals.

433 posted on 03/09/2005 11:15:57 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: swordfish71
Druggie stuff is NOT thought out, but driven by the need to Get the moeny, eliminate any witnesses, and get the hell outta dodge.

You're missing the point that these weren't just typical drug users wanting quick cash to fulfil their immediate need... one was busted with a whole pound of coke last time they were caught.

Not only does this indicate they were likely distributing, but also it means that guy was deeply in debt when he was let out onto the street again.

434 posted on 03/09/2005 6:59:18 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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SLAY SUSPECT'S
Grandfather of his 'wife' faces charges in Maine
Friday, March 11, 2005
By Michaelangelo Conte
Journal staff writer
One of the men charged with murdering the Armanious family was part of an interstate crack dealing group led by the grandfather of the woman he was living with, drug officers in Maine said yesterday.

The grandfather, 65-year-old Victor "Papo" Torres, of Jersey City, was charged with drug trafficking in Auburn, Maine, this week, but investigators say they do not believe he was involved in the Armanious murders.

When Edward McDonald, 25, was arrested last week and charged with four counts of felony murder for the Armanious killings, he had been living on Charles Street, in the Heights, with Stephanie Torres, the granddaughter of Victor Torres.

Victor Torres has a long criminal record in New Jersey, officials said, adding that his brother killed multiple family members on Palisade Avenue decades ago and his son was convicted of manslaughter after killing a man on Ogden Avenue.

Stephanie Torres, the mother of two of McDonald's children, has no criminal record, according to Special Agent Gerry Baril of the Maine Drug Enforcement Agency and Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio

A wedding announcement for Torres and McDonald appeared in The Jersey Journal in 2002, though DeFazio said Torres told investigators the two are not married.

McDonald spent time in federal prison on drug charges stemming from an arrest in Maine in 2001, and DeFazio said that arrest was related to the Torres family drug trafficking there.

"If you look at the crimes that Victor Torres has been convicted of, what just happened with the family there in Jersey City with McDonald looking for money to buy crack, one could certainly draw the analogy that these folks are dangerous and have a propensity for violence," said Special Agent Gerry Baril of the Maine Drug Enforcement Agency.

"The connection between the girl he was living with shows a relationship and up here in Maine he was hooked up with another member of the Torres family."

"Apparently, the federal conviction of Edward McDonald was related to his activities with the Torres family in Maine."

The investigation that led to McDonald's arrest in Poland, Maine, in 2001, "associated him with members of the Torres family from Jersey City, suspected of importing and distributing cocaine and crack cocaine in the greater Lewiston-Auburn area," Baril said.


435 posted on 03/12/2005 12:10:10 AM PST by Selkie (Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.)
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