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Robbery, not religion, behind family's killing
AP ^ | 3/5/5 | WAYNE PARRY

Posted on 03/05/2005 12:17:35 AM PST by SmithL

JERSEY CITY, N.J. - The upstairs tenant of an Egyptian Christian family found slain in their home in January and another man have been charged in the killings, and authorities said Friday the motive was robbery, not religious fanaticism.

Two men already on parole for drug offenses pleaded not guilty to four counts of murder in the Jan. 11 killing of the Armanious family, which had caused tension between Christians and Muslims in New Jersey.

Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above the Armanious family, and Hamilton Sanchez, 30, were ordered held on $10 million bail.

"I didn't kill nobody, man," Sanchez said as he was led from the courtroom. McDonald, wearing a long-sleeved white shirt and black pants, stared at the floor during the hearing.

Authorities said Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were slain three days before their bodies, bound and gagged with puncture wounds to their heads and necks, were found Jan. 14.

In the days after the slayings, about $3,000 was withdrawn from Armanious' bank account using his ATM card, and investigators were able to get surveillance video from cameras over those cash machines, officials said.

Both men were arrested Thursday.

"I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: The motive for these murders was robbery. This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money," Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said.

DeFazio said officials believe a planned robbery spiraled out of control when the 8-year-old loosened her bonds and recognized McDonald. He is accused of killing her to avoid identification, and Sanchez is accused of killing the three others, DeFazio said.

The slaying had caused speculation that Hossam Armanious might have angered Muslims with opinions he posted in Internet chat rooms under the user name "I Love Jesus." The arrests were welcomed by Christian and Muslim groups who said they were disturbed by the religious tension.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: armanious; copts; coverup; framed; robbery; scapegoat; trop; whitewash
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...and 9/11 was about Air-Rage.
1 posted on 03/05/2005 12:17:36 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
""I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: The motive for these murders was robbery. This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money,"

Sorry, but they've been placing WAY too much emphasis on the possible "robbery" motive ever since the crime took place, trying to make the public believe the brutal, assassination-style murders of this Christian priest and his entire family were simple robbery and not the "T" word, (t-e-r-r-o-r-i-s-m). It reminds me of my daughter when I used to walk into the kitchen and she'd be sneaking cookies. She'd hear me coming and say, before I even entered the room, "Daddy, I'm not taking cookies".

2 posted on 03/05/2005 12:30:35 AM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: SmithL; Kolokotronis; kosta50; MarMema; Agrarian
This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money," Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said.

Since when do greedy robbers bore holes into their victims' necks and slash tattoos of crosses?! The police have found themselves a convenient scapegoat.

3 posted on 03/05/2005 12:33:58 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: TheCrusader
You are probally correct, was just wondering how did these accused get the bank card?

Have any ideas?

4 posted on 03/05/2005 12:36:41 AM PST by highpockets
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To: SmithL
I have eaten. . .duck (do not care for it). . .pheasant (great). . .quail. . .dove. . .(really, in lieu of wild game. . .would rather just east chicken/turkey. . .) but now; because of this investigation; I must eat crow.(?)

. . .I would rather just admit I was wrong; and actually, I just did. . .'bon appetit' ;^)

Am so glad the police have taken care of this; now it is the Court's turn and I hope the perps pay the highest price possible for their heinous crime.

5 posted on 03/05/2005 12:43:35 AM PST by cricket
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To: SmithL

cant wait to see all the replies by the "OMG! IT JUST HADDDD OT BE MUSLIMS WHO DID THIS!!!!!!!!!" crowd. Me tinks they'll avoid this like Democrats avoid common sense


6 posted on 03/05/2005 12:44:13 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: SmithL

"Two men already on parole for drug offenses pleaded not guilty to four counts of murder in the Jan. 11 killing of the Armanious family"

There you have it...


7 posted on 03/05/2005 12:48:57 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: highpockets
"You are probally correct, was just wondering how did these accused get the bank card?"

. . .and the 'code'? (Yes, it is possible to figure it out. . .just not likely in this scenario) . . .

that said. . .my first thought was a 'set up'. .

By the same token, however. . . it is possible that to make this killing look like someone else did it. . .they decided they had no choice but to get really ugly. . .

Lie dectector tests? They can explain how it is; they were using bank card post killings? They have alibis? (Forensic info not mentioned?)

8 posted on 03/05/2005 12:55:57 AM PST by cricket
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To: SmithL

I'm not buying this. Robbers aren't in the habit of slitting throats. That's the Muslim form of taking care of the infidels.


9 posted on 03/05/2005 1:20:50 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy)
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To: highpockets
You are probally correct, was just wondering how did these accused get the bank card?

Wouldn't be too difficult to leave it "lying around" somewhere where they might pick it up. For instance, how long after the death of the family was it until the card was first used?

10 posted on 03/05/2005 1:28:25 AM PST by ikka
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To: NYer
Since when do greedy robbers bore holes into their victims' necks and slash tattoos of crosses?! The police have found themselves a convenient scapegoat.

When they are trying to make it look like there is a religious motive?

Let's wait and see the evidence before jumping to the conclusion that this is a coverup.

11 posted on 03/05/2005 2:18:56 AM PST by Restorer
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To: NYer

The story stinks on ice.


12 posted on 03/05/2005 2:32:16 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Could be that these two were hired.


13 posted on 03/05/2005 2:33:58 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: SmithL

Bump for later reading

I am also not ready to embrace the official theory, nor the named suspects as being correct. Several things still out of place...

A.A.C.


14 posted on 03/05/2005 3:14:34 AM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
OMG, another great example of Jersey Justice...DeFazio is determined to toe the line...he needs the Political Points...as do many others. Personally I think it was a radical band of Neo-Cons, disguised as common Cons, inflaming the Mooslems to ever more egregious acts to perpetuate the Power of Neo-Conservism.
Look to the BBCrappers to do another 3-part series on Amerika and it's violent kulture!
15 posted on 03/05/2005 3:31:23 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: iopscusa
Found this at Jihad Watch, which is being followed up by Robert Spencer.

Then there's this from the Northeast Intelligence Network:

According to sources speaking to the Northeast Intelligence Network on the condition of anonymity, McDonald is not believed to be the only person involved in this slaying - and might not have committed the murders himself.

While incarcerated in the federal system, he reportedly associated with a group of inmates who were actively involved in Islamic counseling - receiving radical fundamentalist Islamic literature during his incarceration. The prison source told Northeast Intelligence Network director Douglas Hagmann that there is indeed a religious component to the murders, although McDonald is not alone. Investigators from this agency are continuing the investigation to determine the veracity of those claims.

I don't have any independent confirmation of this, but I'll be looking into it.

16 posted on 03/05/2005 5:44:09 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Here's the update by Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch, the story isn't over.

Final note on the New Jersey murders

Two suspects in the Armanious case have been arrested, and authorities are saying that religious hatred had nothing to do with the crimes -- it was just a robbery gone bad.

That, of course, does nothing to mitigate the horror or heinousness of the crimes themselves, or to assuage the grief of the relatives of the victims. It does, however, seem to eliminate the possibility that these killings were an American version of the Theo van Gogh murder in Holland: a Sharia-prescribed killing in a non-Muslim country for what is a crime only under Islamic law.

CAIR-NJ President Magdy Mahmoud declared: "All those involved in the investigation of this brutal crime deserve praise for their diligence and for resisting efforts by hate-mongers from outside our state to use the tragedy as a way to damage interfaith relations."

Is that all it was? Hatemongers trying to stir up trouble and portray a robbery as something it wasn't? There is no doubt whatsoever that that is how the media elite will portray the weeks between the discovery of the bodies and the arrests of McDonald and Sanchez. But legitimate questions remain, and I am neither going to apologize for accept Mahmoud's "hatemonger" tag for asking them. I hope that facts will come out at the trial that will explain some of the features of this case that make it appear not to have been a simple robbery:

1. Early reports stated that Hossam Armanious regularly engaged Muslims in discussion on the PalTalk website -- discussions that became so heated that one Muslim threatened him: "You'd better stop this bull---- or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you." This was reported in the New York Post and attributed to an eyewitness who saw the threat on the site at the time.

What was done to investigate this threat? Did they find and question any Muslims who had had discussions online with Hossam Armanious? Did the Hudson County Prosector's Office question the man who asserted that it was made? Did they determine that the threat had not, in fact, been made at all? That seems most likely. If that is the case, on what evidence did they arrive at that conclusion?

Whatever the case, note that the report of this threat came not from "hatemongers outside the state," but from a Coptic Christian friend of Hossam Armanious.

2. If the motive was robbery, why was the family killed? Presumably to prevent them from identifying McDonald and Sanchez. But then we are evidently to believe that McDonald and Sanchez made repeated trips to ATM's to withdraw money -- with the quite visible ATM camera staring them in the face each time. Maybe they are irredeemably stupid -- certainly there is a lot of stupidity among petty criminals -- but it does at least raise eyebrows.

3. If the motive was robbery and the family presumably surprised McDonald and Sanchez by being at home, leading the pair to murder them, why were the murders done with such precision? Why was so much care taken to slit their throats in a uniform manner? Why wouldn't these guys simply have killed them in the quickest, easiest way possible?

4. Not long after the murders, I was contacted by a Coptic Christian who identified himself as a close friend of the Garas family (Hossam Armanious's wife's family). He claimed to have detailed information about the murders, and he gave it to me. His sources and his information appeared to be solidly based and at very least worth investigating. Some of it has been reported recently: a halal butcher whose daughter was converted to Christianity planned the murders for several months in revenge for the conversion. He fled the country shortly after the murders, but he planned them along with three others who are still in the country. The Copt gave me the names of all four, along with phone numbers and other details for two of them.

I had no idea whether or not the information I had been given was true, and I never claimed that it was. But it warranted investigation. I passed it on to the Hudson County Prosecutors Office. Neither I nor my source was contacted about any of this information for three weeks after I filed the initial report. The only time I spoke to an official there, he was unfailingly polite but unmistakably condescending and clearly believed nothing that I had to tell him. From what I understand the Copt who told me all this fared little better.

Meanwhile more information was coming from other sources, including but not limited to relatives and other close friends of the victims, that seemed to corroborate what I had already been told. When Edward DeFazio was asked about all this, his answer was self-contradictory -- leading me to a few more questions: Did his office make any attempt to find out if a halal butcher had really gone missing in the Jersey City area? Did they make any attempt to question the others named by the Copt? I happen to know that a reporter called one of these men and asked him what he thought of the killings. He began smoothly to speculate about robbery, drugs, etc. But when the reporter asked him about the possibility that it was a revenge killing for a religious conversion, his shock was palpable. His smooth veneer vanished and he suddenly began to sputter and search for words. Did this happen when the police questioned him? Did they question him at all? If not, was it because they had a presumption that this information was worthless on its face? If they did, on what did they base that presumption?

And one more time for Mr. Mahmoud: the information I got did not come from "hatemongers outside the state," but from several friends and relatives of the murdered family.

5. If the motive was simple robbery, what are we to believe about all this? That a Copt invented the story of the death threat, and that other Copts invented the story of the conversion and revenge plot? That it was just coincidental that a couple of lowlifes happened to murder this family in the same manner in which Muslims murder blasphemers and other enemies of Islam?

I hope Edward DeFazio will be courteous enough to answer. But considering that he recently forbade a reporter even to ask him about possible religious motivation for the killings, I won't be holding my breath.

17 posted on 03/05/2005 5:47:28 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

I'm taking the high road here and admitting I was wrong to jump to such conclusions about the murder of this family. Perhaps you can take the high road as well and not rub it in the faces of those who believed as I believed.


18 posted on 03/05/2005 7:00:28 AM PST by Arpege92 (Mr. Kerry, you are a jerk!" - Pat Sajak)
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To: SmithL
that Hossam Armanious might have angered Muslims with opinions he posted in Internet chat rooms under the user name "I Love Jesus."

No kidding? Heaven forbid that any faithful follower of the paedophile-in-chief would take such offence .

19 posted on 03/05/2005 8:29:49 AM PST by Selous
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To: highpockets
You are probally correct, was just wondering how did these accused get the bank card? Have any ideas?

It's quite common for petty (and not so petty) criminals to stumble across the scene of someone else's crime and dip into the cookie jar so to speak. And, by all accounts, neither of the two "suspects" is going carry off the prize for being the sharpest knife in the drawer.

These two are going to get well and truly stitched up. A political decision has already been reached that Islam could have played no part in the murders.

20 posted on 03/05/2005 8:38:46 AM PST by Selous
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To: Arpege92

Nope, Im taking the looowwww rode cause those tards deserve to have their noses rubbed in it like a bad puppy who just tinkled on daddys new carpet


21 posted on 03/05/2005 8:41:11 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Jabba the Nutt; Arpege92
Yayyy! I get to rip your baseless paranoid accusations to shreds!!!

1. Early reports stated that Hossam Armanious regularly engaged Muslims in discussion on the PalTalk website -- discussions that became so heated that one Muslim threatened him: "You'd better stop this bull---- or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you."

Yes because we should always believe threats from nameless/faceless people on chat rooms, why just the other day I wa talking to a horned up, lonely, 29 yr old house wife who was also a porn star. GIMMIE A BREAK! Have you NEVER been in a chat room before?

2. If the motive was robbery, why was the family killed? Presumably to prevent them from identifying McDonald and Sanchez.

Christ, then I guess there must be something shady about all the COUNTLESS OTHER robberys that turn to murder? Maybe its cause the people were on PAROLE and DIDNT WANT...(*GASP...get ready Im gonna blow your mind!) DIDNT WANT TO GO TO PRISON AGAIN!!!!!

3. If the motive was robbery and the family presumably surprised McDonald and Sanchez by being at home, leading the pair to murder them, why were the murders done with such precision?

What are you basing this on? Please give me a CREDIBLE LINK to the source by the cops...oh wait...the cops are in on this conspiracy too

4. Not long after the murders, I was contacted by a Coptic Christian who identified himself as a close friend of the Garas family (Hossam Armanious's wife's family). He claimed to have detailed information

Geezzz, You'll beleive just about anything wont you.

5. If the motive was simple robbery, what are we to believe about all this?

That it was a friggin ROBERY...by junkies who were on parole...how is that so hard to believe? When these people confess are you going to post a long rambling post (like your previous one) but instead this time admit that your paranoid delusions were wrong?

Ill give you credit, although you are CLEARLY WRONG, atleast you had the guts to reply, look at all the others who were false and having a knee jerk reaction and blaming it on muslims, where are the replies now? Where are the posts about how we should round up all muslims and deport them? Where are all the insane psots about we should nuke mecca?

22 posted on 03/05/2005 8:52:33 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: sheik yerbouty

How do the authorities know what a dead woman saw just before she died? Turned MacDonald? A note written in blood?


23 posted on 03/05/2005 8:55:02 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Does bolding help you shred, you think? In any case it didn't. Not one counter you attempted worked.


24 posted on 03/05/2005 8:58:31 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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To: bvw
Does bolding help you shred, you think? In any case it didn't. Not one counter you attempted worked.

1. Had to bold one because if not it would have all blended in together

2. Its hard to argue with someone when they are delusional and are overcome with paranoia. Ever tried to have a conversation who believes hat we didn’t REALLY land on the moon?

25 posted on 03/05/2005 9:07:07 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
The answer to 2 is yes.

The answer to 1 is okay, fine. You still didn't achieve what you had claimed at the start of that rejoinder that you were about to do -- to demolish and shred. Not even dinted.

26 posted on 03/05/2005 10:33:52 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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To: bvw

I think it's speculation.


27 posted on 03/05/2005 11:04:16 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: bvw

28 posted on 03/05/2005 11:42:23 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

I'll remember that for when you are wrong about one thing or another.


29 posted on 03/05/2005 11:50:19 AM PST by Arpege92 (Mr. Kerry, you are a jerk!" - Pat Sajak)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

I can't think but that the likelyhood od a Patsy Cline moment for the prosecuter when this goes to trial is huge.


30 posted on 03/05/2005 1:02:22 PM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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To: NYer

Pretty hard to buy, isn't it?


31 posted on 03/05/2005 4:04:53 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
"Its hard to argue with someone when they are delusional and are overcome with paranoia. "


Robert Spencer makes his living selling those very people his books.

He's the bigots' Stephen King. The more he scares them the more they love it.

32 posted on 03/05/2005 4:19:45 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: MarMema
Pretty hard to buy, isn't it?

Yeah ... like a $3 bill.

33 posted on 03/05/2005 4:23:19 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: SmithL
Well of COURSE it wasn't Muslims. After all, the victims still had their heads, and it wasn't on a video tape on the web somewhere, bragging about how Allah told them this was what they had to do! /sarcasm off

We'll wait and see on this one, Muslim-defenders-be-damned. This seems a tad too convenient, in a "oh hey, what you all were thinking wasn't true, it was just a robbery gone wrong" kind of way. And, lest we all forget, the "robbers" are innocent until proven guilty, right? Right?

34 posted on 03/05/2005 9:53:14 PM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: SmithL

Robbery, not religion, behind family's killing

Wow, is this supposed to convince me? Well it hasn't. Killing these people viciously for a bank card? Give me a break. I'll bet if the real research was done the authorities would find a connection to them being hired killers. However, don't expect their investigation to go any further. Wouldn't want to upset the Muslims, I mean masses.


35 posted on 03/05/2005 9:53:33 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: cricket

We are living in a civilized country and its a shame to see Americans start posting hateful posts towards other's religion because some coptic egyptians took to the streets of Jersey City like uncivilized savages & blaming Muslims before any suspects were arrested. Then they come to web sites spewing their hate. Now that everyone knows the truth & that Muslims where not responsible for the killings of that coptic arab family. Hopefully we can all learn a lesson not to jump to conclusions until all the facts are straight. And to all the uncivilized coptic arabs posting hate on this site--> shame on you for bringing your 3rd world uncivilized hate tactics to America!! Remember you're in America---> leave the hate behind--> and the justice system is great here (DNA evidence, etc..) Happy postings, Jake :)


36 posted on 03/05/2005 9:59:32 PM PST by jake777
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To: Jabba the Nutt

We are living in a civilized country and its a shame to see Americans start posting hateful posts towards other's religion because some coptic egyptians took to the streets of Jersey City like uncivilized savages & blaming Muslims before any suspects were arrested. Then they come to web sites spewing their hate. Now that everyone knows the truth & that Muslims where not responsible for the killings of that coptic arab family. Hopefully we can all learn a lesson not to jump to conclusions until all the facts are straight. And to all the uncivilized coptic arabs posting hate on this site--> shame on you for bringing your 3rd world uncivilized hate tactics to America!! Remember you're in America---> leave the hate behind--> and the justice system is great here (DNA evidence, etc..) Happy postings, Jake :)


37 posted on 03/05/2005 10:00:19 PM PST by jake777
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I'm not buying this. Robbers aren't in the habit of slitting throats. That's the Muslim form of taking care of the infidels.

Right. It's all a pro-Muslim/terrorist conspiracy by the Bush administration.

38 posted on 03/05/2005 10:03:57 PM PST by Jorge
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

GREAT POST!!


39 posted on 03/05/2005 10:04:09 PM PST by jake777
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To: jake777

More info here:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356246/posts
Neighbor, other man charged in slaying of Jersey City family
PhillyBurbs ^
Posted on 03/04/2005 5:14:06 PM EST by Selkie

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356768/posts
Arrests Fail to Mend Muslim-Christian Rift
NYTimes ^
Posted on 03/05/2005 3:54:50 PM EST by Selkie



40 posted on 03/05/2005 10:04:52 PM PST by Selkie
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
no.....posters were simply stating the obvious.......a religious minority that apparently had been threatened by another religious minority and then ends up dead in a very gruesome fashion......

the obvious is to look at who was doing the threatening....

just like in the Chicago judge's case.....you look at who has threatened to kill somebody first....then, after that is dismissed, you move in other directions....

it is my believe however, that the MSM and the government since the dark days of the Clintonistas have covered up as many terror threats and actual incidents as they could......for what purpose, one can only guess....

41 posted on 03/05/2005 10:16:57 PM PST by cherry
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To: jake777

We are living in a civilized country and its a shame to see Americans start posting hateful posts towards other's religion because some coptic egyptians took to the streets of Jersey City like uncivilized savages & blaming Muslims before any suspects were arrested. Then they come to web sites spewing their hate. Now that everyone knows the truth & that Muslims where not responsible for the killings of that coptic arab family. Hopefully we can all learn a lesson not to jump to conclusions until all the facts are straight. And to all the uncivilized coptic arabs posting hate on this site--> shame on you for bringing your 3rd world uncivilized hate tactics to America!! Remember you're in America---> leave the hate behind--> and the justice system is great here (DNA evidence, etc..) Happy postings, Jake :)
>>>>>>>
Shame on you for saying that "everyone knows the truth" on a case that has merely begun.
Where do you live ? What do you do for a living ?
Do you live in the Jersey City area ?
Do you have any involvement in any of the following ? = Islamic studies, law enforcement, prosecution/defense ?
If not than you don't have any reason to give sanctimonious input and impugn other freepers who are much more familiar with the merits of this case.
LOL

Please go take your Politically Correct preciousness to the DU boards.


42 posted on 03/05/2005 10:20:24 PM PST by Selkie
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To: jake777
We are living in a civilized country and its a shame to see Americans start posting hateful posts towards other's religion because some coptic egyptians took to the streets of Jersey City like uncivilized savages & blaming Muslims before any suspects were arrested. Then they come to web sites spewing their hate. Now that everyone knows the truth & that Muslims where not responsible for the killings of that coptic arab family. Hopefully we can all learn a lesson not to jump to conclusions until all the facts are straight. And to all the uncivilized coptic arabs posting hate on this site--> shame on you for bringing your 3rd world uncivilized hate tactics to America!! Remember you're in America---> leave the hate behind--> and the justice system is great here (DNA evidence, etc..) Happy postings, Jake :)

Oh, boy... Where to start...

You try to lecture us about hate, yet you call the Coptic Christians "Uncivilized" and "Savages". Not exactly a great way to reinforce your point.

"Jumping to conclusions", despite the negative connotations of it, is a healthy part of dialog. Just think of it as "throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks" or merely pontification due to an emotional reaction. It's healthy. It helps explore angles that would otherwise be stifled by political correctness or folks who wave their finger and shout "don't be judgmental!"

I saw in your other post (that was about this topic, oddly enough) that you editorialized in the headline and gave a patronizing lecture in your foot post. And... here is the real shocker... you signed up TODAY.

Now settle down, lest the viking kitties blow their battle horns and carry you away.

APf

43 posted on 03/05/2005 10:22:13 PM PST by APFel (For some reason, the word "Freeper" is flagged by the spellcheck. Someone contact Websters.)
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To: APFel; jake777
I saw in your other post (that was about this topic, oddly enough) that you editorialized in the headline and gave a patronizing lecture in your foot post. And... here is the real shocker... you signed up TODAY. Now settle down, lest the viking kitties blow their battle horns and carry you away. APf>>>

Ah HA !!!


44 posted on 03/05/2005 10:32:32 PM PST by Selkie
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To: bvw

Confessions?


45 posted on 03/05/2005 10:34:42 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: cherry
no.....posters were simply stating the obvious.......a religious minority that apparently had been threatened by another religious minority and then ends up dead in a very gruesome fashion......

For the LAST TIME....it was a friggin CHAT ROOM. I guess you are also one of those people that gets all excited when you get a email that says " Dear Mr. ______ My name is Nabu and I work for the Nigeran Diamond Co and want to offer you a deal to deposit 10 million american dollars to your bank account...."

46 posted on 03/05/2005 10:37:49 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Ritalin is your friend


48 posted on 03/05/2005 10:43:56 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie
OMG! I soooo didnt post that message! It must have been some muslims cause I was in a chat room once and ......

pffftt!

49 posted on 03/05/2005 10:48:01 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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50 posted on 03/05/2005 10:48:42 PM PST by Selkie
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