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Armor-piercing gun targeted (FN Herstal Five-seveN)
Newsday.com ^ | March 4, 2005 | KEN FIREMAN

Posted on 03/05/2005 1:54:27 AM PST by endthematrix

WASHINGTON -- In late December, police in South Jersey moved in to arrest a local drug dealer and made an unsettling discovery in his car. Besides more than a kilo of crack cocaine, they found a new type of handgun that was capable of piercing police body armor, according to Camden County Prosecutor Vincent Sarubbi.

The weapon, called the Five-seveN by its Belgian manufacturer, FN Herstal, began showing up on U.S. streets last fall, according to law enforcement officials. The gun is now itself a target - of legislation introduced yesterday by four lawmakers from New York and New Jersey that would ban it from the United States. The sponsors are Rep. Eliot Engel (D-Bronx), Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sens. Frank Lautenberg and Jon Corzine, both New Jersey Democrats.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bag; bang; banglist; bodyarmor
"However, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a gun control group, said one of its staffers bought a Five-seveN from a gun dealer in Virginia in January for about $1,000. "

One happy staffer!

1 posted on 03/05/2005 1:54:28 AM PST by endthematrix
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To: endthematrix
...they found a new type of handgun that was capable of piercing police body armor, according to Camden County Prosecutor Vincent Sarubbi.

A steak knife is capable of piercing police body armor. Let's ban them, too.

2 posted on 03/05/2005 2:02:47 AM PST by Morgan's Raider
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To: endthematrix

bump


3 posted on 03/05/2005 2:07:28 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: Morgan's Raider

Just about every deer rifle sold at K-Mart will do a dandy job of piercing body armor. Saw off the barrel with a hacksaw and you've got a reasonably concealable weapon.


4 posted on 03/05/2005 2:16:13 AM PST by Restorer
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To: endthematrix; Eaker; Flyer
a new type of handgun that was capable of piercing police body armor

What, do you have to throw the gun really hard at the body armor?
Maybe it has sharp edges and points on it or something.

6 posted on 03/05/2005 2:29:48 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
What, do you have to throw the gun really hard at the body armor?

Really, really hard.

7 posted on 03/05/2005 2:32:54 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: endthematrix

8 posted on 03/05/2005 2:33:23 AM PST by kingattax ( "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kingattax

http://remtek.com/arms/fn/57/


9 posted on 03/05/2005 2:38:59 AM PST by kingattax ( "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GeorgiaConservative
Ya can't win. Anti-personal defense types decry .38 snubbies as "junk" and should be banned. Large diameter ammo as "too large" and hollow points as "too lethal." Even FMJ ammo is seen as dangerous as multiple hits may be needed to bring an attacker down. Scopes are only used by snipers. Black guns are assault weapons. Non-assualt weapon are just "skirting" the laws...on and on.
10 posted on 03/05/2005 2:44:57 AM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix
What a lieing bunch. Most any hand gun load with the right bullet at the right velocity can be made to go through body armor.

Most hand guns with the powder capaticty and a hard light weight bullet will do it.

11 posted on 03/05/2005 3:45:13 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: kingattax
From the link you provided:

"The Five-seveN® fires the SS190 5.7x28mm ball round. This projectile will perforate any individual protection on today's battlefield including the PASGT kevlar helmet, 48 layers of kevlar body armor and the CRISAT target (titanium and kevlar). The SS190's conventional design allows it to be manufactured on existing production lines, and its lead-free composition eliminates range contamination."


Yeah ... we wouldn't want to contaminate the earth while we are ridding it of evil doers.

I think I need a few of these for "keepsakes". ;)

12 posted on 03/05/2005 3:55:58 AM PST by G.Mason ("If you are broken It is because you are brittle" ... K.Hepburn, The Lion In Winter)
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To: G.Mason

hehe :)


13 posted on 03/05/2005 3:56:58 AM PST by kingattax ( "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GeorgiaConservative

If I was a democrat and ran around trying to stop any changes to Social Security I would start now to get all weapons out of the hands of the soon to be pissed off public.


14 posted on 03/05/2005 5:04:11 AM PST by Recon Dad (Thinking ahead)
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To: kingattax

Cool. I wondered when they were going to make a jump to ultra HV ammo with necked cases in handguns. No mention of velocity though...any idea?


15 posted on 03/05/2005 5:27:14 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Offending all people equally - pursuant to the directives of the CRA of 1964)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
2345 ft/sec
16 posted on 03/05/2005 5:31:28 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Restorer

"Just about every deer rifle sold at K-Mart will do a dandy job of piercing body armor. Saw off the barrel with a hacksaw and you've got a reasonably concealable weapon."


You keep posting stuff like this and they'll try to outlaw HACKSAWS!


17 posted on 03/05/2005 5:32:03 AM PST by shibumi (Not a speck of cereal!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Thank you!


18 posted on 03/05/2005 5:33:44 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Offending all people equally - pursuant to the directives of the CRA of 1964)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

SS 190 standard ball 31 gr is 2133 fps


19 posted on 03/05/2005 5:50:00 AM PST by kingattax ( "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Recon Dad

You have a point there, ROFLMAO


20 posted on 03/05/2005 6:24:41 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (Prayers ease the heavy burdens of the living....)
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To: endthematrix

Notice how they have adopted the term "Armor Piercing" (which means able to penetrate military metal armor plate) to mean able to penetrate a vest intended to stop some conventional lead handgun bullets?


21 posted on 03/05/2005 6:44:27 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: endthematrix

The moment they want to ban it, I want to buy it!


22 posted on 03/05/2005 6:44:47 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: G.Mason

23 posted on 03/05/2005 6:51:38 AM PST by null and void (The Pendragon Production of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds opens March 30th. Be there or be eaten...)
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To: endthematrix

Some observations:

The prime requirement, for employment at the Brady Center, is being a damned liar.

Therefore, it is easy to conclude:

Sarah Brady is a damned liar.
Michael Barnes is a damned liar.
Dennis Hennigan is a damned liar.
Every person that works there is a damned liar.

The same principle applies to those democrat congresscritters and democrat senators.

We can conclude:

Chuckie Schumerde, aka the PUTZ, is a damned liar.
Frank Lautenberg (aka the LOUT) is a damned liar.
Diane Feinschwein is a damned Liar.
Barbara Boxer is a damned liar.
Hillary Rotten Clinton, aka the HILDABEAST, is a damned liar.
John Corzine is a damned liar.
Patty Murray is a damned liar.
Carolyn McCarthy is a damned liar.
Charles Rangel is a damned liar.
John Conyers is a damned liar.

They are all totally worthless.


24 posted on 03/05/2005 7:46:33 AM PST by punster
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