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Killed...By A Single Pellet
The Mirror ^ | March 5, 2005 | Gary Jones

Posted on 03/05/2005 2:03:02 AM PST by beaversmom

THE grieving mother of a toddler who died after being shot with an airgun called yesterday for the weapons to be banned.

Two-year-old Andrew Morton was hit in the head by a single pellet - thought to be aimed at firefighters tackling a house blaze - as he went out with his brother to buy chips.

His family took the agonising decision to turn off his ventilator after doctors said there were no signs of recovery.

Mum Sharon McMillan, 34, said: "Airguns should be banned and anyone who carries them should be locked up.

"Andrew was a wonderful wee boy, a brilliant kid."

Sharon and Andrew's dad Andy, 30, were at the youngster's bedside in a Glasgow hospital when he died after being in intensive care for two nights.

Sharon said: "I just kept thinking 'this is a dream' and I was going to wake up from my nightmare.

"We were there when he was given the last rites and Andy and I took turns cuddling him in bed."

Her plea for an airgun ban was backed by politicians. And the father of one of the Dunblane massacre victims said Andrew's death was "a tragedy waiting to happen".

Scottish Parliament minister Margaret Curran said: "There is a real sense of horror at such a barbaric act. All options have to be considered. If that means we need to licence these airguns, they should be banned.

"We will do whatever we can to protect our communities and our children. This is a brutal act, my thoughts are with the family."

Dr Mick North, whose five-year-old daughter Sophie was killed by gunman Thomas Hamilton at Dunblane primary school in 1996, added: "This is something that was waiting to happen because there are so many airgun incidents.

"Fortunately most people are not badly injured but it was only a matter of time before someone was killed.

"We need tougher controls. Too many people regard these weapons as toys. This is the strongest possible indication they are lethal weapons."

The age for owning an airgun has been raised from 14 to 17 and it is an offence to possess one in a public place.

But Dr North, who wants the weapons licensed, said the measures do not go far enough. He added: "The changes did not control ownership or possession within properties. So you can get people taking pot shots out of windows."

Sharon and Andy have four other children, Cheryl 17, Brian, 13, Sammy-Jo, 10, and seven-month-old Calvin.

Andrew was hit on Wednesday evening as he walked with Brian through the Easterhouse area.

The youngster was fascinated by fire engines and the pair stopped to watch a crew putting out a blaze in their street - with tragic consequences.

Brian said: "Andrew put his hands to his head and I asked what had happened.

"When I touched the back of his head there was blood. His face just went white and we started screaming." A 34-year-old fireman had earlier been shot but escaped injury.

Andrew's sister Cheryl last night paid tribute to her little brother. She said: "He was the life and soul of the full house. If everybody was upset he would cheer you up. He acted about 22. He was amazing. A pure brilliant wee boy."

As part of the probe into Andrew's killing, children were yesterday searched as they walked to school.

Police arrested a man of 27 over the shooting. He was last night in custody and is expected in court on Monday.

Tony Blair called the senseless killing "appalling". He added: "It is a terrible tragedy and I know people are looking closely at what lessons can be learned."

Scotland's justice minister Cathy Jamieson said weapons laws must be reviewed following Andrew's death.


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1 posted on 03/05/2005 2:03:03 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

bump


2 posted on 03/05/2005 2:04:55 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: beaversmom

When I read this story yesterday, he was still alive but it didnt' look good. Very sad that he didn't make it.

3 posted on 03/05/2005 2:06:54 AM PST by beaversmom (Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming)
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To: beaversmom
A tragedy for the family, but a knee jerk reaction from them.

We can't ban every single thing that causes a death.
4 posted on 03/05/2005 2:08:02 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: beaversmom

This is very bad for the child but the scum, who may have started the fire and was shooting at the people at the fire is to blame.


5 posted on 03/05/2005 2:08:49 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: beaversmom

Sad and I feel for their loss. However, how would they feel about a parent whose child had just drowned in a pond calling for a ban on all ponds?


6 posted on 03/05/2005 2:10:44 AM PST by ikka
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Exactly--but in England and here in a lot of cases, the focus always seems to be on the weapon and not the person doing the crime. I think England needs to bring back the death penalty. And we don't need to be more like Europe thank you very much anyway Justice Kennedy!!!


7 posted on 03/05/2005 2:11:20 AM PST by beaversmom (Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming)
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To: ikka

Remember a thread a couple of years ago when a womans kid died in a blowhole on the beach in Hawaii, and she wanted them all fenced in.


8 posted on 03/05/2005 2:13:23 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: beaversmom
"Andrew was a wonderful wee boy, a brilliant kid."

Much as I love my sons, I could not have called them brilliant at 2 years old. The editor should have shown some discretion. Of course, I feel very sorry for this family, but their anger is misdirected. Hope the killer gets caught.

9 posted on 03/05/2005 2:16:29 AM PST by Ruth A.
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To: beaversmom

Too many deep fried Mars bars. Some weird old news comes out of Scotland.


10 posted on 03/05/2005 2:19:28 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Progressives are just liberals with an Earl Scheib paintjob.)
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To: beaversmom

Mum Sharon McMillan, 34, said: "Airguns should be banned and anyone who carries them should be locked up."

O' God please help me this day to deal with idiots like this.


11 posted on 03/05/2005 2:19:36 AM PST by Quixotical (o)
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To: Quixotical

Bump to your post.

I could not have said it better.


12 posted on 03/05/2005 2:23:05 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Tragic as it is, truly airguns don't kill toddlers; people kill toddlers. And the unborn. And the elderly. And the maritally-inconvenient. And they get away with it. And it's because we are letting deviancy be defined downward. We the people in our apathy are to blame for permitting this.

And we the people can force our legislators and judges to undo nearly EVERY bad decision. If we summon the will and do not lose our focus.


13 posted on 03/05/2005 2:32:39 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (ATTN. MARXIST RED MSM: I RESENT your "RED STATE" switcheroo using our ELECTORAL MAP as PROPAGANDA!)
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To: Flyer
We can't ban every single thing that causes a death.

If he had choked on a Mike and Ike they'd be banning those as well.

14 posted on 03/05/2005 2:38:25 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: beaversmom; ikka; Flyer; HuntsvilleTxVeteran
A very sad; heartbreaking story. . .wondering how many of the British readers miss not hearing about the perpetrator.

And yes, if children are around ponds. . .they can be dangerous. . .we try and warn. . .any water. . .crossing the street; we teach them children 'to look both ways'. . .the do's and don'ts of tring to protect them as they grow up. . .

There is always a particular sadness when tragedies fall to the innnocent. . . when a child is doing nothing but the innocent. . .playing. . .and falls into harms way; it happens; it is cruel. . .often there is no one to blame; save inexperience. . .

. . .but to be no more than a bystander. . .to go buy 'chips' and not come home; because some other child/person is doing something reckless and irresponsible (someone elses inexperience perhaps) is difficult to accept without looking to the perpetrator. . .or as in many cases, the object, at hand.

Perhaps the perp will get some attention here; I surely hope so. . .but whatever the case; for these folks. . .their immediate response is at least, understandable.

15 posted on 03/05/2005 2:38:47 AM PST by cricket
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To: cricket

It is very sad.


16 posted on 03/05/2005 2:42:23 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: beaversmom

Bringing back the death penalty would actually be popular. The last poll I saw suggested the public was in favour.

And so am I. My dear, departed Gran's second husband was shot in cold blood. The murderer is now out and about, living a relatively comfortable life, married to a woman who campaigned for his release. That's not justice.

Regards, Ivan


17 posted on 03/05/2005 2:43:38 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: kingsurfer
There is always a particular sadness when tragedies fall to the innnocent. . . when a child is doing nothing but the innocent.

It is very sad. Read a story the other day on FR about a little boy, 10 or so, who had made a big snowball with a friend. The thing rolled down and crushed him to death. I know I can't be like this, but it makes me not want to leave the house. This poor little boy looking at the fire trucks and some idiot has got to be in the area! I wonder if the idiot was deliberately aiming at the boy.

18 posted on 03/05/2005 2:47:09 AM PST by beaversmom (Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming)
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To: MadIvan
"The murderer is now out and about, living a relatively comfortable life, married to a woman who campaigned for his release. That's not justice. "

It is not Justice. . .unless you are a Liberal.

The perp is the only victim in their minds. . .

. . .they do not count the 'life stolen'. . .from the victim - and from all those who loved and valued that person.

19 posted on 03/05/2005 2:49:20 AM PST by cricket
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To: beaversmom

Hopefully the family will find peace in God. If they realise that they will see their lad again and that he is safe now then maybe they can get through this hard time.


20 posted on 03/05/2005 2:52:29 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Mr Ramsbotham wrote:
We can't ban every single thing that causes a death.
If he had choked on a Mike and Ike they'd be banning those as well.

--> Very tragic. I have to say as well, ban is not the answer, and also, it's the leftist mentality that causes this very problem, they have no problem teaching kids sx ed, but when it comes to smarts (guns etc.) they want to hide it to protect the kids but in the end, senselessness like this causes an innocent to be killed.
At the same time, there are psycho's out there, and they will hurt someone, whether it's by accident (ie. wrong target), or on purpose by use of car, plane, gun, toy, knife, computer monitor, cords, branches, drowning, torture, whatever means they can. Making the rest of us suffer with rules because of the few senseless and idiotic people should not happen. It's time for a change England, it's time to become more like America the Beautiful.


21 posted on 03/05/2005 2:58:03 AM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: beaversmom
Read about that. . .thought how senseless. . .and how difficult for the family to be angry. . .save at the snowball. . .or 'fate' or God.

I don't know what feels meaner. . .tragedy by the above or by an ignorant perp. . .

. . .or could ask the same ie 'what feels better'; in one's having to come to immediate terms with the pain - and anger - of such excruciating loss.

22 posted on 03/05/2005 3:02:02 AM PST by cricket
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To: MadIvan
Bringing back the death penalty would actually be popular

I think that would be a very positive step.
It works quite well here in Texas.. 100% of the criminals
executed commit no further crimes ever.

23 posted on 03/05/2005 3:05:37 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: MadIvan
Bringing back the death penalty would actually be popular

That's good to hear. I know one of my cousins over there is definitely for it. That's why he said he liked George Bush a few years back--because he is pro-death penalty.

When my dad was stationed over there in the 50's, he said a judge would tell the murderer, "You will hang by the neck until dead Tuesday next." And sure enough, Tuesday next he was a goner.

Sorry that happened to your Grandma's second husband. You are right, it's not justice to let the murderer continue on with his life in or out of prison.

Dennis Prager, radio guy over here, always says murder is unforgiveable because the only person that can forgive someone is the victim and the victim is dead. Others forgiving a murder is like a woman down the street getting raped and me forgiving the rapist. Letting someone continue on with their life after they have taken a life is society forgiving the person and really saying the victim's life was no big deal.

24 posted on 03/05/2005 3:12:14 AM PST by beaversmom (Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming)
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To: beaversmom

One thing unmentioned in the article is the fact that in the U.K., firemen are often attacked, even shot at. It is my understanding that certain bad neighborhoods are very dangerous for emergency services personnel to enter. There are members of the criminal underclass who typically live on welfare and they spend their time doing destructive things. They are the type of vicious idiots who would set fire to their own (government subsidized) flat and then shoot at the firemen. These criminals are often immigrants or children of immigrants. The government subsidizes people to act like savages and then the politicians want to ban airguns, knives, etc.


25 posted on 03/05/2005 3:32:39 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell
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To: Quixotical

Care to explain why a mother who just lost her child to a tragic accident is an idiot for venting an opinion? I think her reaction/overreaction can probably be contributed to the state of mourning she's in. Sounds like you're labeling someone just because you don't agree with their view.


26 posted on 03/05/2005 3:56:01 AM PST by spower
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To: Wilhelm Tell
This type of crime was a regular fact of life in New York during the Dinkins administration.

Shooting at firefighters. Dropping objects from the roof of nearby buildings onto the firefighters and their trucks.

27 posted on 03/05/2005 4:07:18 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: Ruth A.

Some British people use the word "brilliant" differently than we do-- it's a slang term meaning, I think, "great" or "excellent" or "wonderful". I've heard it used that way, purely as a term of praise.


28 posted on 03/05/2005 4:15:28 AM PST by walden
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To: beaversmom
It is a tragedy and I hope the lad who did this to him gets punished to the full extent of English law. The call by the mother to ban air guns, while done in grief, is stupid. There is way too little of freedom in Britain already. Perhaps they can ban all sharp objects while they are at it, so that no Brits can hurt themselves.
29 posted on 03/05/2005 4:27:17 AM PST by dog breath
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To: walden

Even if his older sister was calling the "wee lad" brilliant as in smart--I wouldn't see a problem with it. I'm not sure of the problem the other poster had with that. I think my two year old is smart--I'd also use the adjectives crafty and devilish to describe him as well.


30 posted on 03/05/2005 4:31:52 AM PST by beaversmom (Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming)
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To: beaversmom

Absolutely amazing - and clueless.


31 posted on 03/05/2005 5:19:26 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Offending all people equally - pursuant to the directives of the CRA of 1964)
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To: beaversmom
"Others forgiving a murder is like a woman down the street getting raped and me forgiving the rapist. "

. . .the Libs are always trying to 'turn' this on Repubs in their rhetoric. (Why can't a compassionate Christian, forgive Bill Clinton (?); or the latest racism from a Demrat; or even the Beltway murderers. . .whatever)

They do not 'get it'; and in fact, few Repubs do either.

The Libs are forever, pharrisee like. . .'forgiving' someone. . .ie their 'Rodneyesque - 'can't we all get along'?

. . PC has made 'judgmental' a bad work as well . . .'discretion', next. . .

32 posted on 03/05/2005 8:08:23 AM PST by cricket
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To: beaversmom
Mum Sharon McMillan, 34, said: "Airguns should be banned and anyone who carries them should be locked up.

I certainly have sympathy for the family who lost there little guy. But comments like this above quote are one of the main reasons that I generally ignore or quickly dismiss the rantings of emotional women.

33 posted on 03/05/2005 8:21:29 AM PST by Freebird Forever (Support your local gunsmith.)
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To: walden

Thanks. I have not heard my Scot friend use it so loosely.


34 posted on 03/05/2005 8:37:03 AM PST by Ruth A.
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To: beaversmom

the events that lead to the loss of anyone are tragic, but the atmosphere denouncing all types of weapons bad and worthy of banning breeds mishaps and tragic uses.

the ban on guns leads to an ignorance about the proper uses of such tools and when certain types of less lethal weaponry is not banned, then the assumption is the irresponsible usage of non-banned weaponry will have little harmful effect on targeting victims.

if proper firearms usage is taught at the onset and that firearms can kill if not properly used then a trickle down
effect would cross over to the responsible use of toy air guns.

locking up the individual who took potshots for murder is appropriate action, not the banning of responsible usage of said arms.

teeman

i didn't mention that letting a two year old out without adult supervision is not my idea of good parenting...

but i am not calling for her to give up her other children


35 posted on 03/05/2005 8:38:00 AM PST by teeman8r
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To: Flyer
We can't ban every single thing that causes a death.

Believe it or not, Jarts (lawn darts) are still legal and widely available in the UK.

36 posted on 03/05/2005 8:41:18 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: beaversmom

Ban rubber bands, they can put an eye out.


38 posted on 03/05/2005 8:48:16 AM PST by MaxMax (GOD BLESS AMERICA)
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To: Ruth A.

My next door neighbor is British. He uses the word brilliant a lot and not in the sense that someone is very smart. It just means great or wonderful and can refer to anything.


39 posted on 03/05/2005 8:55:22 AM PST by Ditter
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To: beaversmom

I think he was aiming at the boy. While the article talks about a pellet, the typical airgun in Britain is an accurate .17 cal. weapon that is often used for hunting birds, small game and vermin. They are not BB guns.

Unlike the US, in Britain many air rifles come standard with silencers. A few folks in this county have gotten in trouble with the ATF when customs checked out their imported British air rifle. I think the Brits now know not to ship silencers to this country.


40 posted on 03/05/2005 8:56:49 AM PST by meatloaf (Rejoicing every day that stupidity isn't contagious.)
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To: beaversmom
Police arrested a man of 27 over the shooting. He was last night in custody and is expected in court on Monday.

On January 27th, 1999, Home Secretary Jack Straw formally signed the 6th protocol of the European Convention of Human Rights in Strasbourg, on behalf of the British government, formally abolishing the death penalty in the UK.

41 posted on 03/05/2005 9:05:36 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: beaversmom; Paleo Conservative
But Dr North, who wants the weapons licensed, said the measures do not go far enough. He added: "The changes did not control ownership or possession within properties. So you can get people taking pot shots out of windows."

This is a stupid thing to say, if you shoot out of a window into a public place with an airgun then you are already committing an offence. If you shoot someone with an airgun then that can result in a serious charge, for example, ABH, GBH, manslaughter or murder. The current laws are perfectly capable of prosecuting morons who use airguns in crimes. The idea of preventing crimes committed with airguns by "prior restraint", i.e. by limiting the population's access to airguns, will not work because there are hundreds of thousands of unregistered airguns already out there.

BTW, the majority of air rifles (the most powerful airguns available) in Britain are not FAC licensed and by law they can only put out 12 foot pounds of power - that is only enough force to humanely kill a small animal like a rabbit. It would require very good shot placement to kill a person, even a child, with one and there is no guarantee that such a shot would cause death. Rather than trying to ban air rifles, maybe the parents of this poor child ought to be campaigning for tougher punishments for people who shoot at firemen and people on the street with airguns, catapults, bows etc. Deterrence is the only way to prevent such reckless behaviour.

42 posted on 03/07/2005 7:01:13 AM PST by David Hunter
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To: beaversmom
Exactly--but in England and here in a lot of cases, the focus always seems to be on the weapon and not the person doing the crime. I think England needs to bring back the death penalty.

BTW, Glasgow is in Scotland and it is one of the most violent cities in Europe, (the murder rate is worse than in most US cities). Anyway, we can't bring back the death penalty because Blair has signed us up to EU's Human rights convention which specifically outlaws the death penalty in member states. Another good reason for us to get out of the EU.

43 posted on 03/07/2005 7:08:26 AM PST by David Hunter
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To: meatloaf
I think he was aiming at the boy. While the article talks about a pellet, the typical airgun in Britain is an accurate .17 cal. weapon that is often used for hunting birds, small game and vermin. They are not BB guns.

The majority of air rifles in Britain are not FAC licensed and by law they can only put out a maximum of 12 foot pounds of power. However, air pistols are more commonly used by juvenile delinquents than air rifles and the maximum legal power output for an air pistol is 6 foot pounds (the single-shot type are the most powerful), whereas CO2 BB pistols only run at a maximum of 3 foot pounds. In my experience it is the BB pistols which are most likely to be used by morons for firing at members of the emergency services because they are the cheapest type of airgun, they are semi-automatic and they are the smallest and so can be concealed more easily.

44 posted on 03/07/2005 7:23:34 AM PST by David Hunter
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To: beaversmom

Communist idiocy.


45 posted on 03/07/2005 7:26:07 AM PST by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: David Hunter
BTW, Glasgow is in Scotland

Actually, I did read that but still ended up calling it England--my mistake--must have not registered in my brain. I guess I consider it all England just because my mom's from there but the Scottish probably don't appreciate not seeing a distinction.

46 posted on 03/07/2005 7:30:26 AM PST by beaversmom (Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming)
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To: beaversmom

bump for later.


47 posted on 03/07/2005 7:33:26 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: Wilhelm Tell

I have a friend who is a fireman in York, (Northern England). He often tells me about the threatening behaviour and violence directed at firemen by local youths when they are fighting fires in bad areas of the city. Apparently, the main reason for this sort of behaviour in York is the resentment to any authority figures held by heroin users, but as you said, the people doing this have probably never had regular jobs in their lives.


48 posted on 03/07/2005 9:42:41 AM PST by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter

Are you saying the child was killed with a BB gun?


49 posted on 03/07/2005 2:26:04 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf; beaversmom
I have read several other stories on this incident and in each case they say that an "airgun" was used without stating what kind of airgun it was. Apparently, the pellet penetrated Andrew's brain deeply so it seems that either a 6 ftlb single-shot air pistol or a 12 ftlb single-shot air rifle would have been the most likely weapon. However, the shooter Mark Bonini, 27, also fired at a woman, a street light, windows and shot firefighter, Alan Lambert, causing an injury to his leg. Article

I mentioned CO2 BB guns because these seem to be the most commonly used by groups of juvenile delinquents on the street to shoot at firefighters etc. Also most CO2 powered "BB guns" available in Britain actually fire pellets not BBs.

Here is an interesting article with a revealing passage in it:

Some youngsters openly carry sticks and golf clubs which double as weapons. On Friday and Saturday nights, gangs from the neighbouring estates fight each other. "It’s territorial," said one police officer, who admitted that they don’t usually patrol the area. The nearest police station is two miles away in Easterhouse.

"We don’t hang around, so nor should you," the officer said. His colleague added: "We drive in, do what we have to do, and drive out again. It’s too dangerous."

It sounds like the Police should patrol the area and enforce the existing laws which ban the carrying of makeshift weapons, airguns, knives etc on the street and ban the discharge of airguns in public places.

50 posted on 03/09/2005 5:16:10 AM PST by David Hunter
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