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Italian COMMUNIST PARTY Starts FullCourt Press Against USA on Italian Hostage Shooting By US Troops
AGI (News Service) Italy (in English) ^ | 5 March 2005 | AGI News Service, Italy

Posted on 03/05/2005 7:06:16 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo

SLAIN AGENT: I DON'T BELIEVE U.S. VERSION-COMMUNIST LEADER (AGI) - Rome, Italy, March 5 - "A day that was supposed to be happy changed into pain and anger. I don't believe a word of the American version. It's clear that they are trying to hide what really happened. The Americans deliberately shot at the Italians. It's huge," said the secretary of the Italian Communist Party, Oliviero Diliberto, commenting on what took place after the liberation of the journalist Giuliana Sgrena. Diliberto said that "the entire centre left (in Italy) should ask the withdrawal of our troops in Parliament. Enough with this servitude towards the United States." (AGI) - 051409 MAR 05


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Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

Latest news from the Communists in Italy.

Putting pressure on GW Bush for a "full investigation".

Also, count the number of times the US MSM today makes a reference to the journalist as a Communist, Anti-American Journalist, or how many times they cover the deeper issues over with Michael Jackson or Martha Stewart.

(Then again, maybe the Martha Stewart national 24/7 obsession is good timing!)

1 posted on 03/05/2005 7:06:20 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
After all the media hype,
the truth:

Despite a phone call from U.S. President George Bush to Berlusconi, during which the American leader expressed regret and promised to investigate the incident, anger was not assuaged in Italy nor abroad.

"Another victim of an absurd war," said Alfonso Pecoraro Scanio, leader of the Green Party.

A communist senator called for a demonstration in front of the U.S. Consulate in Milan.

A statement by multinational forces said U.S. troops tried to warn the occupants of the car carrying Sgrena as it sped toward a checkpoint in western Baghdad about 9 p.m. local time. U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle."

U.S. official said two people were wounded, but Berlusconi said three were, including Sgrena, Calipari and another intelligence officer.

Sgrena was taken to a U.S. military hospital where she underwent a minor operation to remove a piece of shrapnel.

Rest of breaking news story: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1110028220472_50/?hub=TopStories


2 posted on 03/05/2005 7:10:54 AM PST by ppaul
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To: AmericanInTokyo
It's George Bush's fault for not informing the driver he was operating his vehicle in a war zone.
3 posted on 03/05/2005 7:12:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: ppaul
The MSM in the US won't say IT.

They ignore the 800 pound elephant in the room.

And that elephant is RED.

The value of independent blogs and news/discussion sites, will be played up even more in the next few days as we carry the TRUTH and the WHOLE PICTURE that the MSM ignores or fears running with.

Thanks, Freeper, for the version of TRUTH here, to follow the LIES of the Communists in Italy I just posted.

4 posted on 03/05/2005 7:13:18 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
SLAIN AGENT: I DON'T BELIEVE U.S. VERSION-COMMUNIST LEADER

Yeah I'm sure a Communist will get down the the REAL truth. I mean they are know for being up front and open! BTW good shooting Marines!

5 posted on 03/05/2005 7:16:36 AM PST by Bommer
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To: AmericanInTokyo

The commies must be going nuts, what with all the freedom and democracy breaking out all over the world. Looks like they'll risk anything to turn the tide.


6 posted on 03/05/2005 7:17:13 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
ROTFL! Yeah, we "deliberately shot at the Italians". They were running a roadblock on the way to the Airport. Suicide bombers don't slow down and identify themselves either.

I don't know why Italy is whining. They are completely responsible for this incident.

7 posted on 03/05/2005 7:18:24 AM PST by jess35
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

"Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena returned home Saturday after being wounded by U.S. gunfire shortly after being released by her Iraqi captors. She told her colleagues at the daily Il Manifesto newspaper that she was never treated badly by her Iraqi abductors, the Italian news agency ANSA reported."

Connect the dots, folks.

Committed Communist, America-Hater and LIAR is 'captured' in Iraq by 'insurgents.....(dot!)........she is treated 'well'......(dot!)...and so terribly VIOLATED by the Americans....(dot!).....

Freepers and friendly lurkers, just keep linkin' those red Communist DOTS!

8 posted on 03/05/2005 7:19:14 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Here's a tip to Italians in Iraq - SLOW DOWN WHEN APPROACHING ARMED CHECKPOINTS!

Duh!


9 posted on 03/05/2005 7:20:06 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
"ATTENZIONE!! RALLENTANO QUANDO SI AVVICINANO AI PUNTI DI CONTROLLO MUNITI!!"

Yes, they should print these signs up and send to our USA troops on the front lines at those security check points.

10 posted on 03/05/2005 7:22:29 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Reminds me of the Japanese "hostages" who turned out to be co-conspirators--as I mentioned on another thread. (And was criticized for doing so.)


11 posted on 03/05/2005 7:23:37 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
How about the American Communist Party - MSM

I could not help but notice the other day when the story was first reported, that the tv reporters did not mention right off, that this might be an accident and a mistake, reporting as if the US troops shot this woman on purpose.

12 posted on 03/05/2005 7:24:35 AM PST by r5boston
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To: MizSterious

No Loss,it was just a reporter.


13 posted on 03/05/2005 7:26:25 AM PST by jocko12
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Related story from same newsource:

"IN A LETTER TO BERLUSCONI, POPE CALLS SLAIN AGENT A HERO
(AGI) - Vatican City, March 5 - Nicola Calipari was "a faithful and heroic servant of the State who did not hesitate to sacrifice his life in the delicate task given to him," said the Pope in a message sent by Secretary of State Sodano to Prime Minister Berlusconi. (AGI) -
051535 MAR 05
COPYRIGHTS 2002-2005 AGI S.p.A."

huh?


14 posted on 03/05/2005 7:28:59 AM PST by sageb1
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To: MizSterious
Yes, exactly MizSterious. These Italians are working from the same template as the three Japanese "hostages" (as it came out later they were not 'aid workers and journalists' per say, but were on anti-American visits to Iraq), staged their own kidnappings, were released to say good things about their treatment, and how even MORE committed they were to the evil the Americans were doing in Iraq.

This happened about year ago.

Freepers will like the fact that about 75% of Japanese told them to get out of their face, to go ______ up a rope, when the "hostages" did get back to Japan. They were also fined by the conservative Government of Japan for the costs they incurred, and the three have since kept their anti-US, pro-Communist, pro-Islamofascist mouths SHUT! :-)

15 posted on 03/05/2005 7:30:55 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

GUARANTEED!! You can take this to the bank!! On the Sunday talk shows and in press conferences on Monday, neocommunists Harry Reid and Nacy Pelosi and, maybe, Dips**t Dean will demand an investigation. It will be at the instruction of the Italian Communist Party and will sound exactly like this announcement. For this next week, the dems in Congress will be working for the Italian Communists!


16 posted on 03/05/2005 7:31:20 AM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Would Harm America!")
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To: sageb1

and:

"SGRENA: ALEMANNO, PUNISH PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE
(AGI) - Tito Scalo (Pz), Italy, March 5 - Satisfaction for the release of Giuliana Sgrena and effort to find and punish the people responsible for the killing of Nicola Calipari. This is the opinion of Agriculture minister Gianni Alemanno, who spoke this morning at the third "Mostra dei Comuni" in Tito Scalo (Pz). "To the happiness for this release, which is also a success of the Italian government and secret services," he said, "we must add the grief for the death of a State official." "I believe," the minister said, "that we must clear up what happened. Berlusconi was right to call for the US Ambassador, because we must protect those who work for Italy in the world. We must give an example of extreme firmness. We are waiting for an explanation and we hope that if somebody is responsible for the fact, that person will be severely punished." (AGI) -
051559 MAR 05
COPYRIGHTS 2002-2005 AGI S.p.A."


17 posted on 03/05/2005 7:31:23 AM PST by sageb1
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To: Tacis
Indeed. We know them well enough, and how this is all linked together, to know what their NEXT STEP will be. It is so predictable. It will start on the Sunday News Shows just as you say...and the seditious US MSM will cover up ALL the essential facts...if they think in the slightest way they can get an American marine or two sent to military prison to make small rocks out of big rocks.
18 posted on 03/05/2005 7:35:38 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

So far, it seems to be playing a bit better in Italy than it did in Japan--and, of course, in a lot of the US "mainstream" media.


19 posted on 03/05/2005 7:35:55 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: ppaul; Buckeye Battle Cry
>U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car
>>Here's a tip to Italians in Iraq - SLOW DOWN WHEN APPROACHING ARMED CHECKPOINTS!

There have been reports
of people getting dragged from
their cars and murdered.

Maybe the driver
believed there was an ambush
and tried to run it.

20 posted on 03/05/2005 7:40:23 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
Here's a tip to Italians in Iraq - SLOW DOWN WHEN APPROACHING ARMED CHECKPOINTS!

Duh!

Duh what?

If you were finally released after threatened daily with beheading for a month, would you want your driver to go down a well known dangerous road at the speed limit or would you have the pedal to the metal?

Geesh!

It was an accident...that's all.

21 posted on 03/05/2005 7:46:11 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

^


22 posted on 03/05/2005 7:46:27 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: theFIRMbss
***Maybe the driver believed there was an ambush and tried to run it.***

If that is their story - seems like an intelligence person would have done a U-ie instead of continuing to run toward it. You will never hear that story from the "hostage". Instead you will hear that she was targeted by the evil Americans.

23 posted on 03/05/2005 7:47:04 AM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: theFIRMbss
There have been reports of people getting dragged from their cars and murdered. Maybe the driver believed there was an ambush and tried to run it.

Nope, I don't believe so. They themselves say they were on a part of the road to the Baghdad Airport that is already secured by the Americans, therefore, I think your theory that the driver or occupants thought they would be kidnapped by Islamosfascsists or theives (and thus tried to run the roadblock) doesn't necessarily work. In fact, it points up the fact that the driver SHOULD HAVE OBEYED ORDERS/SIGNALS IN THIS SECURITY ZONE TO THE AIRPORT.

24 posted on 03/05/2005 7:47:13 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: theFIRMbss
Of course that's what happened. How was the driver to know it was the US military waiting for them or a bunch of jihadist savages?

I'm telling you the IQ level in here is dropping weekly.

25 posted on 03/05/2005 7:47:51 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: theFIRMbss
How about the Italian "Intelligence?" Service communicating to the U.S. Military their plan & route? This doesn't pass the smell test.
26 posted on 03/05/2005 7:47:59 AM PST by Apercu ("Rep ipsa loquitor")
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To: DCPatriot

plz note #24


27 posted on 03/05/2005 7:48:48 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: DCPatriot

I disagree. Last year there was a wdely reported incident of a van full of Iraqi's being forced to run a checkpoint because a terroriat was int he van holding a gun to the driver. The van was blasted by gunfire and many of the occupants were killed.

It is common knowledge that speeding at a checkpoint will result in gunfire from American forces.

I repeat - it is common knowledge.

The driver should have known better - hence "D-uh!"


28 posted on 03/05/2005 7:57:17 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: DCPatriot

Yes, it is, judging from your recent posts.


29 posted on 03/05/2005 8:01:03 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Our people aren't at fault.

This "journalist", who's kidnapping is still suspect, wishes to destroy the alliance. Her "friends" in the MSM have the same goal. They are going to hype this and try to turn everyone against Americans and Berlusconi. They want Berlusconi out. It'll be interesting to observe how Berlusconi handles it. If he survives the MSM whipping the population, already against the war, against us.

Americans aren't going to fall for it. Fact is the driver was at fault. Any attempts by OUR press to make our troops into murderers is going to be met with fury. I'm not concerned from our end. I do wonder if a close ally has the skill to outmanuveur the press in Italy.


30 posted on 03/05/2005 8:07:10 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Just to remind everyone what Communism is about, I recommend a visit to this thread:

March, 5 - 65th ANNIVERSARY OF THE MASSACRE OF THOUSANDS OF POLISH OFFICERS IN KATYN.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356601/posts


31 posted on 03/05/2005 8:07:35 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: sageb1
"We are waiting for an explanation and we hope that if somebody is responsible for the fact, that person will be severely punished."

Shouldn't be a problem Tito, she's already back in Italy...but I don't think you're going to get much of a confession from her.

32 posted on 03/05/2005 8:07:49 AM PST by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: All

Also, it wouldn't hurt if people started digging into the details of her kidnapping and activities. I hope some of our people are. I have the feeling there is far more to this than they want the population to know.

I don't trust communists and I know terrorists don't release people out of the good of their heart.


33 posted on 03/05/2005 8:09:28 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Surely the average Italian can't seriously think that the outcome of blowing a checkpoint in a warzone is the fault of the military in charge?

And why would American forces "deliberately" shoot at the Italian vehicle? I mean anywhere except in the fantasies of Italian commies.


34 posted on 03/05/2005 8:11:43 AM PST by Let's Roll ("Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Connect the dots, folks. Committed Communist, America-Hater and LIAR is 'captured' in Iraq by 'insurgents.....(dot!)........she is treated 'well'......(dot!)...and so terribly VIOLATED by the Americans....(dot!).....

It's all that cowboy's fault...


37 posted on 03/05/2005 8:26:30 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Bommer
"BTW good shooting Marines!

I second that! Don't want to get shot? Don't speed up to a checkpoint with armed US fighting forces. It's not rocket science. If I'm a soldier at that checkpoint and it comes down to what looks like a choice between me filling a body bag and someone else, I'm going to let someone else fill the body bag.

I haven't seen anywhere yet where they've said who was driving the car. That might tend to be a fact worth mentioning in this story. But maybe the truth doesn't look good for lefty's.

38 posted on 03/05/2005 8:28:47 AM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: MizSterious
Yes, it is, judging from your recent posts.

You idjit...I've been lowering the IQ in here since 8/98!

;^)

39 posted on 03/05/2005 9:03:13 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Bommer; Buckeye Battle Cry
Here's a tip to Italians in Iraq
SLOW DOWN WHEN APPROACHING ARMED CHECKPOINTS!

__________________

'My Name Is Giuliana Sgrena: I Write for a Newspaper Which Opposed the Sanctions and the War Against Iraq'*


Abduction Friday, 4 February

Her 79-year-old father, pensioned railroad-worker Franco Sgrena, was an anti-fascist and partisan fighter in the Italian Resistance against Nazi-fascism in WW II and is still today a member and leader of the Communist Party.

The Driver

Nicola "Lead Foot" Calipari

Checkpoints Prove Useless
Against Suicide Bombers in Iraq
By Robert Fisk in Baghdad

Robert Fisk is Wrong Today,
Checkpoints Work!

40 posted on 03/05/2005 9:13:04 AM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: libs_kma; All
Italian Intelligence should have turned the hostage over to us for transport and she should have been riding in the armored vehicle instead of being shot at by it. Its very possible that their heroics and lack of coordination got one of their own killed. It sucks to be them. Didn't the same thing nearly happen to French intelligence who were operating in Iraq independent of us on a hostage deal???
41 posted on 03/05/2005 9:21:12 AM PST by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: cdrw

They probably wanted it to look like an entirely Italian operation, no American help. Well they made a mistake and they payed for it.


42 posted on 03/05/2005 9:29:44 AM PST by BladeLWS
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To: DCPatriot

“If you were finally released after threatened daily with beheading for a month”

She told her colleagues at the daily Il Manifesto newspaper that she was never treated badly by her Iraqi abductors. She talks very highly of her abductors, for somebody who was “threatened daily with beheading”. This is BULL$#!T, it’s war she went to a war zone to write anti-American stories, she should be happy; she got what she wanted.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


43 posted on 03/05/2005 9:36:05 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (The 51st state is right around the corner.)
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To: MizSterious
>I'm telling you the IQ level in here is dropping weekly
>>Yes, it is, judging from your recent posts

Oh, come on. The trees
have been overflowing trolls
since the election.








44 posted on 03/05/2005 9:36:40 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: BladeLWS

Very possible - wouldn't surprise me at all.


45 posted on 03/05/2005 9:43:00 AM PST by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: Let's Roll

Why not? Our irrational Libs are reflexive against our military and theirs would be no different. Anyone not hostile to us on the basis we are Americans, is subject to a biased press this journalist represents. I guarentee right now they are being hit hard with propaganda, most twisted and some untrue. The question is whether they have a strong alternative news media to combat it. Somehow I doubt whatever exists there is as strong as ours.

Part of the reason the world is hostile to America is a direct result of the press.


46 posted on 03/05/2005 10:10:47 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Major_Risktaker

Apparantly, these people felt it was their obligation (as comrades in good standing) to continue the struggle against the capitalist dogs of the United States in even the most moronic and obviously suicidal manner. To slow down would have been viewed by all good communists as an act of capitulation.

I repeat my original post: Duh!


47 posted on 03/05/2005 10:46:33 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

These Communists must assume Americans are stupid.
They want you to believe that the driver was in compliance with the regulations, and the soldiers fired on the car without provocation. But why would the soldiers do that? What would they have to gain by creating an international incident?


48 posted on 03/05/2005 1:16:21 PM PST by mwfsu84
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To: Soul Seeker

It would be helpful to get the internet site of a Conservative or Right Wing (not Fascist!) newspaper in Italy that is getting to the bottom of this, and can counter the propaganda put out by Reuters, il Manifesto, CNN, NYT and all the other symps.


49 posted on 03/05/2005 5:53:56 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; an italian

an italian might know of such a sight.


50 posted on 03/05/2005 5:58:28 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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