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China: No independence for Taiwan
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Posted on 03/05/2005 7:33:45 AM PST by traumer

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To: fish hawk

"When a Taiwanese gets unemployed, do they get the check from China? "

Actually YES.
They will commute to China to get a job !!
I know it from one taiwanese fellow. Unemployment in Taiwan is on the rise - because the labor cost cannot compete with that of China - so many companies move out...


21 posted on 03/05/2005 10:54:46 AM PST by traumer
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Great response-only wish I thought of it first


22 posted on 03/05/2005 3:35:26 PM PST by Goldwater4ever (Aut Pax Aut Bellum)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
You are confusing money for morality.
23 posted on 03/05/2005 3:41:38 PM PST by Goldwater4ever (Aut Pax Aut Bellum)
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To: traumer
Taiwan is already independent. The fact it is not recognized as such all over the world is a sad statement of the state of much of politics. I'm ready for President Bush to state the obvious fact and tell the rest of the world to fark off and deal with it.
24 posted on 03/05/2005 7:22:56 PM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))
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To: traumer

I will never understand why the world refuses to admit that China and Taiwan are 2 seperate countries.


25 posted on 03/05/2005 7:25:03 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
"...so they can't be as bad as the Taiwan first crowd says they are."

I dunno, ask Chinese Christians or members of the Falun Gong what they think---of course, they may get killed for telling you...

26 posted on 03/05/2005 7:29:37 PM PST by Sam's Army (No witty taglines currently come to mind)
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To: ozzymandus
"I will never understand why the world refuses to admit that China and Taiwan are 2 seperate countries."

Maybe it's because they are all ethnically Chinese?
27 posted on 03/05/2005 10:33:36 PM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: Fishing-guy

There are many different ethnic groups among the Chinese. Just because they all look alike to you doesn't mean they all consider themselves the same people.


28 posted on 03/06/2005 12:38:45 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

Becaus Taiwan is FREE. Protecting Taiwan is protecting FREEDOM. China must be stopped AT ALL COSTS because they will not stop at Taiwan. They are even expanding into the Soviet's former domain, South and Central America. Helping Iran get nukes as well as gave nukes to Pakistan.


29 posted on 03/06/2005 8:09:18 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN! http://asiasec.blogspot.com/)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
Good on you. I guess you can start helping make people free by liberating those 21 million you spoke of. Taiwan has the death penalty for the private possesion of firearms. Doesn't sound to free to me ProudVet. They aren't worth dying for my friend.

The 2nd Amendment is all but dead here in the U.S. What's the difference? Should we Americans not worth fighting for?

30 posted on 03/06/2005 8:14:06 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN! http://asiasec.blogspot.com/)
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To: zeugma
Taiwan is already independent. The fact it is not recognized as such all over the world is a sad statement of the state of much of politics. I'm ready for President Bush to state the obvious fact and tell the rest of the world to fark off and deal with it.

Under the San Francisco Peace Treaty of 1952, Taiwan belongs to neither PRC or ROC. The ROC fled there in 1949 and until 1987, the KMT ruled with an iron fist. But Lee Teng-hui changed all of that and Taiwan is now a free sovieriegn country. China is still the communist dictatorship it was in 1949.

31 posted on 03/06/2005 8:20:18 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN! http://asiasec.blogspot.com/)
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To: traumer
Interrupting this thread for a dumb anecdote...

I came across a curious bit of evidence suggesting IBM takes a position on the China-Taiwan controversy when I visited ibm.com the other day in order to enter my resumé in their database. In the spot where you are asked to indicate your country of residence, they have a drop-down list of countries to choose from. There is no "Taiwan" option but there is a "Taiwan, Province of China."

And now back to the regular discussion...

32 posted on 03/06/2005 8:30:58 AM PST by Mmmike
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To: Paul_Denton
Under the San Francisco Peace Treaty of 1952, Taiwan belongs to neither PRC or ROC. The ROC fled there in 1949 and until 1987, the KMT ruled with an iron fist. But Lee Teng-hui changed all of that and Taiwan is now a free sovieriegn country. China is still the communist dictatorship it was in 1949.

Where did you get this idea? Free and sovieriegn? Are you taking crazy pills? Taiwan hasn't even declared its independence from the mainland!!!! How can they be an independent sovieriegn nation? They are nothing but a rouge province, much like the Southern States were back in the 1860s. The United States regularly declares its support for a one china policy, not an independent Taiwan!!!

33 posted on 03/06/2005 8:42:03 AM PST by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
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To: Mmmike
I got an anecdote too.

I have a relative-by-marriage who works for a Taiwanese company. They got factories in China, so my relative has to go to China often.

One day, he went to China with a Taiwanese friend and the custom would not allow the friend through, because he put Taiwan as the country of origin. They told him he needed to change it to "China," and the Taiwanese guy had no problem changing it.

Apparently, if you use "Republic of China," that's OK too. I am curious if the Taiwanese guy will try that next?
34 posted on 03/06/2005 9:02:54 AM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
*yawn* you seem to be nothing more than just a Chinese propagandist.

San Francisco Peace Treaty

Treaty of peace with Japan

400 years of Taiwan history

Next time come up with an argument that is actually a challenge and not a piece of communist propagandist filth that is more worthy of DUmmiestan.

35 posted on 03/06/2005 9:31:25 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN! http://asiasec.blogspot.com/)
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To: Paul_Denton
Sorry, post what you like but it still doesn't change the the fact that Taiwan is not an independent nation. Taiwan has yet to declare independence and the US has publically stated it is against said independence.

Not a Chinese propagandist, but a man who puts the interest of America first.

36 posted on 03/06/2005 11:32:30 AM PST by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

Maybe you should ACTUALLY READ the documents I put up the links to. The US has publically stated WHILE ARMING TAIWAN WITH SOME OUR OUR MOST ADVANCED WEAPONS. Congress is blatently pro-Taiwan as well. The US and Japan have agreed to protect Taiwan from china. Your rhetoric does not change the fact that the US WILL protect Taiwan. It IS in our interest to protect Taiwan because they are free AND HELP TO CONTAIN COMMUNIST CHINA.


37 posted on 03/06/2005 2:08:05 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN! http://asiasec.blogspot.com/)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961; Paul_Denton
One great American President could say today:

You live in a defended Island of Freedom, but your life is part of the main. ... Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free. When all are free, then we can look forward to that day when this country will be joined as one and this great Continent of Asia in a peaceful and hopeful globe. When that day finally comes, as it will, the people of Taiwan can take sober satisfaction in the fact that they were in the front lines for almost six decades. All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Taiwan, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Taiwaner."

38 posted on 03/06/2005 2:14:48 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

Well, 25 countries or so have accepted the sovereignty of Taiwan - including the Vatican as the only European country. This is, because China does not have diplomatic relations with any country that accepts the independance of Taiwan. But fact is, Taiwan IS (not formally) independant. Unfortunately, most states on earth rate economic relations with China higher than the support of a democratic Taiwan.


39 posted on 03/06/2005 2:28:38 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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