"I hate Illinois Nazis." - Joilet Jake
Posted on 03/05/2005 4:33:27 PM PST by ajr276
White supremacist groups have been on the decline in the Midwest lately, with key leaders jailed or stepping down and membership in disarray. But experts warn the hate movement could actually become more violent under those circumstances, as angry "lone wolf" extremists take matters into their own hands.
It's a theory that might be tested soon in Chicago, as authorities probe last week's execution-style shootings of the husband and mother of federal Judge Joan H. Lefkow.
Lefkow came home on Monday to find the bodies of her husband, Michael F. Lefkow, 64, and her mother, Donna G. Humphrey, 89, in the basement. Both had been shot point-blank in the forehead. Police reportedly found a broken window and two spent .22-caliber shells.
Lefkow in 2003 had a run-in with white supremacist leader Matthew Hale, a former Southern Illinois University Carbondale law student who was later convicted of attempting to have Lefkow killed.
Among police theories now is that Lefkow's family died at the hands of someone trying to carry out that mission - even without any involvement from Hale, who has been in custody since last year awaiting sentencing on the murder-solicitation conviction...
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Ri-i-ight. Do you remember Waco?
but the guy is right about the hard core are dangerous in a dying movement. Just look at the dums.
Yes, but they weren't active in the killing of federal judges.
I never did get why the word "supremacists", when it seems to me it should be "supremists"
But anyway...there are no nazis, there is no KKK. Sure there are remnants, but there is no real threat and no real organized effort. Any claims otherwise is just silly nonsense.
They are listening to the "newsies" and they are pointing to the "extremists" with whom the judge had previously had encounters.
How about this ~ professional home robbers were "surprised" by returning householder, and an old lady, so they shot them with the low caliber, readily silenced pistols they carry with them for this purpose ~ should it happen!
If you can find a book about what are known as Scottish Travelers, or Border Men, who do the "second story" work in UK and Europe, or, more glamorously, get into the business of "international jewel thieves", you should be able to find out about this low caliber phenomenon in a few seconds ~ check the index.
(NOTE: Travelers generally make sure all books that detail techniques and methods used in this highest of their professions are "checked out" on a permanent basis, so getting one of these books may be difficult.)
Best be on the lookout for a top-end pickup truck on the Interstate going back to South Carolina.
I live in the St. Louis area and I know how the leftist at the Post-Disgrace have it in for anyone who doesn't follow the "muliti-cultural" way of thinking.
The media needs a new boogie man to take the heat off the "religion of peace". Enter, the evil Nazis.
I hope our 'public servants' keep in mind that people are only guilty of what they do, not what whiners are afraid they will do.
So who was active in killing federal judges? Aside from leftwing Teddy the "Unibomber" Kaczincki.
The ethnic drug mobs.
Note the direct association in the mind of the author between 'Hate groups" and white supremacy. Granted that white supremacists, if they commit violent acts against non-whites should be considered a hate group, but why do I get the feeling that in the author's mind (and the MSM in general) the only people who can possibly be part of a hate group are Whites?
There are certainly non-white people who express virulent hatred toward whites, as witnessed from their rap cd's and other statements. Are they not also part of a hate group? What about radical Islam who as part of there daily vitriol verbally, if not violently attack America, are they not also a hate group? Some of the rhetoric expressed toward Pres. Bush and his supporters by his opponents - would that not constitute " hate speech"? Just wondering what we consider a "hate group" and what we consider the freedom to express an opinion in our country. Isn't there a double standard?
Typical media opportunism. One incident and suddenly we are at risk from a horde of "lone wolf" white supremacist killers.
Blacks are infinitely more dangerous to other blacks than whites are dangerous to blacks...that's the 2 ton elephant that is standing in the middle of America's living room...and being totally ignored...
This may be a blessing in disguise. Our country is grappling with judges who do not understand that there is a war, and issues about "torture", rights for enemy combatants and etc, these new threats may wake them up because for the first time in these judges lives, they are vulnerable and threaten. Survival is no longer an academic thing. Make a dumb ruling that undermines the police and military ability to fight criminals and terrorists have personal consequences.
"Michigan Militia-type"
I'm glad you put the "type" qualifier on there. After all what are the Michigan Militia connected to?
There is a real threat in that people are being killed by followers of this ideology. It is true there may be no person giving direct orders to these individuals, but the principle of "leaderless resistance" has long been promoted by these types and that is certainly an organized effort.
The gov't and WE should concentrate on the muzlims in America...They are a far larger threat than any white only, or black only group...
Fine, tell me why anyone suspects white supremacists.
I really don't beleive it. It's just more stories of the boogieman to me.
Matthew Hale is awaiting sentencing for having attempted the murder of the judge whose husband and mother were killed.
So how is that connected to this? More to the point where is the evidence that this murder was the work of a hate group?
Yes. Racially motivated violence is racially motivated violence. The ethnicity of the group makes no difference to me.
Yes. Racially motivated violence is racially motivated violence. The ethnicity of the group makes no difference to me.
"But experts warn the hate movement could actually become more violent under those circumstances, as angry "lone wolf" extremists take matters into their own hands."
Well??? Which is it? Is it Hate Groups, or is it the Lone Wolf thats deadlier?
Poor women and children most at risk...experts say...
There is no direct evidence...yet. The two are connected because Hale attempted to have Lefkow killed after she upheld a ruling that stated he could no longer use "World Church of the Creator" as the name of his white supremacist organization. Now that he's only a month away from sentencing, her husband and mother are dead. That is at least a moderately strong circumstantial link.
Just as I was somewhat offended by the way everyone assumed that the DC sniper was a white male
*** Why? It fit the profile. If I'm to believe what others say about racial profiling then no one should be offended.
They suspect Matthew Hale because of a circumstantial evidence link to a judge ruling. Otherwise, I don't think these groups are a threat as much as individuals may be.
"There is no direct evidence...yet."
Tried and convicted case closed. LOL The guy is due for sentencing is exactly the reason he seems least likely to have anything to do with it. Still sounds like a botched robbery to me.
Understood...welcome to FR. FR has hundreds and thousands of active members with a wide variety of opinions. My personal opinion of racial profiling is that it has its place but should not be the only tool of policing.
Let's see: The Nation of Islam's doctrine holds that all whites are demons that resulted from a scientific experiment gone wrong 5000 years ago. According to MSM types (like the Post-Dispatch), the NOI is not a "hate group", while the Hale's "church" (a mirror image) is. Moreover, if you look up the NOI on David Horowitz's new "Discover the Network" site, you'll note that NOI isn't marginalized in any way like Hale's bunch of crazies are. In fact, it operates under 'covenants' with the "mainstream" NAACP and Congressional Black Caucus. NOI speakers regularly appear at Black (ostensibly Christian) churches as well. Do we ever hear from the MSM about this group's beliefs?
There's also MEChA and the Aztlan movement, which advocates the ethnic cleansing and "reconquista" of the entire Southwest quarter of the US. We never hear a word from the MSM (or the Republican establishment, for that matter) about their peculiar beliefs, either. Nope, only one group of people is ever singled out being capable of forming "hate groups." Don't be fooled by the false moralism of liberals. While they self-righteously prattle on about the terrible evils of racism, they'll gladly bury the stories of Mugabe's ethnic cleansing of Zimbabwe, the wholesale slaughter of white farmers under the ANC's anarcho-tyranny in South Africa, etc, etc., etc.
It's also interesting to see how the "professional journalists" at the MSM have already decided who killed these hapless victims. Judges try a lot of cases and make a lot of enemies amongst various criminals - any of whom would have motive to carry out an atrocity like this. Another curiousity largely unreported by the so-called professional journalists is that Judge Lefkow actually ruled in Hale's favor initially, and only later ruled against him (in the trademark case) under order from the appellate court. Yes, Hale is crazy and he certainly threatened the judge (which landed him in prison). It does not necessarily follow that one of his moronic disciples carried out the murders on his orders, though.
Terrorism is terrorism, so extend we should. Some of these groups have developed biological agents, ricin being a favorite. And remembering timothy McVeigh, their willingness to cause mass casualties should not be underestimated.
No jump right in with both feet... even if you say something moronic FReepers are very forgiving (well most are anyway).
1. Hale tried to have Lefkow killed.
2. Hale is one month from sentencing for that crime.
3. Lefkow's husband and mother are murdered.
Now, the above isn't by itself proof, but it is either a crazy coincidence or a possible link. If nothing else, the white supremacy angle deserves looking into. To do otherwise would be nothing short of negligent.
Also, what have you seen or read that leads to a "botched robbery" conclusion?
"FReepers are very forgiving (well most are anyway)."
I know I may vehemently disagree with someone on one subject but joke with them on the next.
When Wales was killed(in a likely professional hit), the news pricks blamed the 'gun nuts'. That's died down and they haven't found
A US attorney, much like judges, have a long enemy list. We don't know who is guilty or not.
Two others I met were real jokers. They were from the St Clair County area. I believe they called themselves the "Kitchen Table Militia". One 'lady' was wearing tin foil(literally) and her husband was just as wacky. They were Alex Jones types at minimum and fit the Mark Koernke stereotypes.
I get a little irritated when I hear the term "Militia type". I get even more irritated when the "connection" between Mcveigh and the militia is made.
In my recollection the only connection between Mcveigh and the militia lasted less than an hour and was ended by the militia because they recognized him as trouble.
There are nutjobs everywhere of every stripe. John Mohammad was once a bodygaurd with the nation of islam but that doesn't make them all killers even if I do despise everything they stand for.
The msm is desperate to get back to attacking Americans. They will never admit that the psychology of hate is not actually seperated by race or religion. it is a mind set that is easily interchangeble. The one thing they all have in common is the death of other humans, whether defined by religion or race. Hate is the ideology, race and religion are the excuse.
LOL!! I can understand the disappointment. Success in law just can't hold a flame to fighting off an extremely large, sexually frustrated cell-mate. :-)
What profile did it fit? How many white people have gone around in white vans shooting people at random? Is this something I have missed?
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